17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #23

[annalia]

It was damage control on the initial statement because anyone from the state/family side using the word 'accident' potentially changes certain public perception. The word 'accident' doesn't make GZ a cold blooded killer.

Feel free to spin it as you choose, however as I said, thankfully, most people, especially after hearing all of her intervioews, and after hearing her full interview, can see that this is a grieving mother who misspoke.

If a grieving mother misspeaking is considered damage, then claifying what she meant is damage control, I don't know what to say. I guess, kind of like the same benefit of the doubt that some say should go to people like Deborah Bradley. :seeya:
JMHO

 

[csziggy]

If he was racking the slide, he would've been ejecting rounds both times. That's not how you "check to see if the weapon is loaded." JMO

Thanks - I'm obviously not familiar with weapons. The only gun I have ever handled is a revolver, vastly different.

 

[raeann]

It was damage control on the initial statement because anyone from the state/family side using the word 'accident' potentially changes certain public perception. The word 'accident' doesn't make GZ a cold blooded killer.

The parents are NOT in any way witnesses to this crime. So their off hand comments on an interview are of NO SIGNIFICANCE in any way.

Even GZ's attorney just stated in front of cameras that the words of the mother of a deceased child have no place being used against her!

So perhaps we could follow the lead of GZ's own attorney and do the same????


jmo

 

[m00c0w]

<modsnip> I have no intention of getting into a matter of semantics regarding an opinion.

BTW, I own quite a few weapons myself, and frankly it has never occurred to me to feel the need to shoot a blank, so the answer to that materially unrelated question is no.

It's not materially unrelated simply because you say it is so. It's also hardly a matter of semantics when you claim that a gunshot will be "muffled" because of how close the weapon is to a surface.

In the military, we use blanks before live-fire exercises (like movement drills, reflexive fire) so that there's less of a risk of injury. While they are not as loud as regular ball ammo, they are still substantially loud, especially in an alley-type area, such as Zimmerman would have been in.

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[Gin]

It was damage control on the initial statement because anyone from the state/family side using the word 'accident' potentially changes certain public perception. The word 'accident' doesn't make GZ a cold blooded killer.

JMO, I don't think the SA is sharing her case with anyone. Not even the parents. I don't blame a grieving mother for anything she says. I think she has shown grace beyond most humans on earth in the days since the unnecessary, unthinkable killing of her dear son.

JMO, I don't think we yet know what the "depraved" act or acts were. That word is part of charging Murder in the 2nd degree.

Let's wait and see what the SA has on the accused.

 

[rossva]

I believe he had only been a part of the neighborhood watch program since SEPT of 2011 or so.


"Sanford Police volunteer program coordinator Wendy Dorival told The Miami Herald she met Zimmerman in September 2011 at a community neighborhood watch presentation."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/v-fullstory/2700249/trayvon-martin-shooter-a-habitual.html

As the only person to volunteer, Zimmerman was appointed neighborhood watch coordinator by his neighbors, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department. The February 2012 homeowner association newsletter requested that crime victims "call our captain, George Zimmerman" after calling the police.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_zimmerman-community-ties-neighborhood-watch

Also, from the link above, the newsletter was published in February 2012.

People don't always know the address of where they are either. Last night, when leaving a gated community consicting of three buildings, all with the same communal street address, where I have a friend, an elderly man tripped, fell, and was bleeding from his face. A group of long term residents gathered around him while several called 911. Of that group of 12-16 long time residents, not one, repeat, not one, was able to give 911 the correct address, or even the actual name of the community. Fortunately I knew it because I had it typed into my gps, and all ended well.

Quoting gxm


thanks for the correction. I'll rephrase and say that I find it astonishing that he didn't know the street addresses after all that time he'd spent on neighborhood watch patrol and dealing with whichever issues the residents thought fit to call him about after the flyer was published instructing them to.

There are not that many streets there.

 

[m00c0w]

Thanks - I'm obviously not familiar with weapons. The only gun I have ever handled is a revolver, vastly different.

You would generally only pull the slide back just enough to see the round in the chamber. It would be a very controlled racking, and the sound isn't nearly as distinctive as just racking the slide to load a round.

 

[princesspjs]

During the press conference after the court appearance, a reporter asked if O'Mara would use Trayvon's mother's words about this being an accident against the state during the trial. O'Mara just said that he would NOT use the words spoken by a grief stricken mother who has just lost her child against her during a trial.

In my own opinion, I guess we shall see if we can believe the word of this defense attorney soon enough.

 

[Kimster]

Hey you guys! We are not in the private forum here! Remember that!

:saber:

 

[LolaMoon08]

During the press conference after the court appearance, a reporter asked if O'Mara would use Trayvon's mother's words about this being an accident against the state during the trial. O'Mara just said that he would NOT use the words spoken by a grief stricken mother who has just lost her child against her during a trial.

In my own opinion, I guess we shall see if we can believe the word of this defense attorney soon enough.

I like him a lot! He's a class act!

 

[Gin]

During the press conference after the court appearance, a reporter asked if O'Mara would use Trayvon's mother's words about this being an accident against the state during the trial. O'Mara just said that he would NOT use the words spoken by a grief stricken mother who has just lost her child against her during a trial.

In my own opinion, I guess we shall see if we can believe the word of this defense attorney soon enough.

I will take him at his word. I think it's possible to be a gentleman, and a defense attorney.

I believe in our system of justice.

 

[grandmaj]

During the press conference after the court appearance, a reporter asked if O'Mara would use Trayvon's mother's words about this being an accident against the state during the trial. O'Mara just said that he would NOT use the words spoken by a grief stricken mother who has just lost her child against her during a trial.

In my own opinion, I guess we shall see if we can believe the word of this defense attorney soon enough.

Well if today's very brief hearing was any indication of how this case will move forward, I would say that both sides are professionals and are going to pick their fights and not turn everything into a battle.

The State readily agreed to sealing the records with the defense. To me that says they have spoken as professionals and both are working in a professional capacity to protect the integrity of this process. How refreshing.

 

[belle3]

Ot motion denied in anthony trial. Zg case will go to trial. Sorry for the ot

 

[Adrienne37]

A little bit about Judge Jessica Recksiedler..


http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Jessica_Recksiedler

 

[gitana1]

The initial police report stated he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.

I know a lot of people do not believe that report, but I just thought I'd point that out.

That's true and it may have been the case that he was bleeding, which would not change my opinion that Zimmerman was the aggressor, BTW, but I do want to state that Trayvon's parents mentioned that the statement about blood and grass or dew on Zimmerman's back, was added later and was not in the report at first.

I also thought it was only going to be a charge of Manslaughter, but I am not aware of the evidence they have against GZ. They know better than I know about what charges they feel GZ deserves for face.

We have to remember that the reason so many of us thought it would be a Manslaughter charge was based on evidence released by the SPD. We don't know what evidence the new SA collected, sent in for forensics, etc...

There were earlier rumors that Trayvon was the one who had a broken nose... and depending on whether or not that is true... they may have been able to see that Trayvon was the one fighting for his life.

We'll just have to wait? For right now, the right thing has been done. GZ has been arrested and charged for the death of Trayvon Martin.

It will now be up to the courts.

MOO

I thought it would be manslaughter based mostly on racial politics - how crimes against blacks aren't normally prosecuted as vigorously and how it may be harder to prove to a jury that may give a non-black man the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a crime against a black kid.

But, IMO, this may have been first degree murder, since premeditation can form in an instant. I think Zimmerman decided to at least shoot Trayvon, during his call to the police, because I think his statements about what Trayvon was doing were contrived nonsense meant to justify the future use of a gun on him.

Anyone have a clip of the hearing? I couldn't watch.

 

[gxm]

Well, regardless of what others say, I believe it was an accident in the sense that it was a tragic sequence of events that unfolded rapidly and spun out of control. IMO, it's sad that folks are still trying to make a racial issue out of this case, and if it's the SP's intent to claim GZ stalked TM, I sure hope she has solid evidence to back it up since GZ's story has been that he was not following TM and was returning to his car when he was attacked. I'm really worried that she may have over charged and there's no way we'll know until trial.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[lillygator]

Thankfully most people can see that it was an obvious grieving mother who simply misspoke.

But let's never give a victim the benefit of the doubt, on a victim support site.

JMHO

It was damage control on the initial statement because anyone from the state/family side using the word 'accident' potentially changes certain public perception. The word 'accident' doesn't make GZ a cold blooded killer.

agreed

I like him a lot! He's a class act!

I like him too.



Do we know who the judge was? and will this be the same judge going forward?

 

[songline]

He knew the address where he was and could have explained how to get there imo.

He knew the name of street, not the house #

 

[cityslick]

The parents are NOT in any way witnesses to this crime. So their off hand comments on an interview are of NO SIGNIFICANCE in any way.

Even GZ's attorney just stated in front of cameras that the words of the mother of a deceased child have no place being used against her!

So perhaps we could follow the lead of GZ's own attorney and do the same????


jmo

I agree with you, she should say whatever she wants to say with no need for 'clarification'.

 

[Adrienne37]

agreed


I like him too.



Do we know who the judge was? and will this be the same judge going forward?

http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Jessica_Recksiedler