17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #23

[m00c0w]

I believe maintenance would work for the maintenance department. jmo

Not according to some posters... :waitasec:

 

[joypath]

I wonder who identified him at the morgue then, and if they were correct in that it was Trayvon. .. something else to ponder.

:moo: IIRC (and nope, I don't have a link but it was addressed/acknowledged in prior threads) that Traci Martin, the biological father of the victim Trayvon Martin provided the identification to law enforcement officers who arrived at his fiancé's condo in a 3 car convoy after he, Traci, attempted to call in a missing persons report about Trayvon. Mr. Martin repeated this information on NG just this evening.

While it HAS happened that a body has been misidentified by "somebody" (thinking of the case of the 2 young college ladies in the Mid West), it is NOT a "routine" situation.

IMHO, the cell phone that Trayvon was using was KEY in his primary identification process, probably by the ME forensic investigator(s). AGAIN, JUST my opinion and admitted bias! :banghead:

 

[LambChop]

LOL, I'm cheap, I keep my air conditioning at 72.

Edit: Also have to add, I have lived in FL for almost 10 years and in all days combined I have probably only had my heater on for a total of 2 weeks.

I'll bet when you get in your car, though, it's cranked down...lol

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm cheap, too! 74 here in the summer, with all ceiling fans spinning on high.

Same here...

 

[mercuriod]

But how do we know they had an open casket?

So do you think Trayvon is walking around laughing at everyone and going to pop out any minute and say "gotha" GZ really didn't kill me? Seriously?

 

[Lovejac]

Actually I haven't read the newly released charging document but it changes nothing in the way of my previously stated opinion. Obviously if the state's attorney has made the determination that it was punk, then of course she would be 100% correct. Punk or C@@n, they are both very inflammatory words in my opinion.


~jmo~

Just bouncing off your post.

Here is the arrest affadavit for those who haven't seen it yet.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/page/florida-state-attorneys-office-affidavit-probable-16127488

 

[Lovejac]

But how do we know they had an open casket?

Are you doubting that it was Trayvon that was shot and killed?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Zimmerman can not apologize for shooting Martin with out admitting he did wrong. It is not going happen at all. The closest he can come to it is sorry your son made me shoot him.

Not going to happen. It is all spin.

 

[katydid23]

Actually I haven't read the newly released charging document but it changes nothing in the way of my previously stated opinion. Obviously if the state's attorney has made the determination that it was punk, then of course she would be 100% correct. Punk or C@@n, they are both very inflammatory words in my opinion.


~jmo~

There is a HUGE difference between those two words, imo. Punks is not nearly as inflammatory, nor is it racial. I don' tthink you can base a hate crime on the term 'punks.'

 

[uvamerica]

That is where I have the problem with Corey stating that the investigation was never stopped, that it had been ongoing from the night of the incident. That is not a truth. Unless I am wrong, I'm sure I heard Trayvon's father state on national network that he was told by police that there was going to be no arrest due to self defense and SYG. I am disappointed in the way Corey handled this question during the presser yesterday; she could have deferred an answer to that question. I don't know that I would trust the Florida system myself.

ITA again ! if this were the case we would not be here now ! If AC thinks she can let that slide, she's sadly mistaken. I think if SPD isn't held responsible in some way, there will be trouble within the community. Many already don't trust LE , this will only inflame the problem. Its like the pink elephant in the room, it cannot be ignored. JMO

 

[Lovejac]

I'm wondering how you can begin to apologize for murdering their child!
It's not like he ran into the street and he ran over him...he pulled the trigger..how can you apologize for that? ^i^

That would definitely be really difficult to try and find the words. I can't imagine what I could/would say if I were GZ.

Actions speak volumes when words can't suffice. I can usually tell when apologies are genuine just by the persons actions.

 

[katydid23]

ITA again ! if this were the case we would not be here now ! If AC thinks she can let that slide, she's sadly mistaken. I think if SPD isn't held responsible in some way, there will be trouble within the community. Many already don't trust LE , this will only inflame the problem. Its like the pink elephant in the room, it cannot be ignored. JMO

But just because he wasn't arrested that first few days, that does not mean he was never going to be arrested, imo. There was testimony from a few of the witnesses that they were interviewed later in the first week. So even though GZ had been sent home, the PD were still investigating. I think some of the detectives did want to arrest him and were looking for evidence to do so. imo

I think this SA may have overcharged, and it may backfire, just like the dreaded Anthony case.

 

[ThoughtFox]

There is a HUGE difference between those two words, imo. Punks is not nearly as inflammatory, nor is it racial. I don' tthink you can base a hate crime on the term 'punks.'

No but "they always get away" is inflammatory, in my opinion.

It all goes to George's state of mind, and that's what will matter to a jury. For Murder 2 they don't have to prove he was racially biased, just that he was on a mission to hunt down Trayvon for whatever "depraved" reason he had on his mind.

 

[mommakk51]

Maybe he is jealous of the attention GZ is getting. You know like a naughty child any attention is better than no attention at all. So he has to be part of the team. JMO MOO IMO

Maybe that was the case ever since George was named Captain of the neighborhood watch??

jmo..

 

[Dr. Know?]

Zimmerman can not apologize for shooting Martin with out admitting he did wrong. It is not going happen at all. The closest he can come to it is sorry your son made me shoot him.

Not going to happen. It is all spin.

I agree, it's PR. I think I just witnessed this attorney's earning whatever wage he's going to make (possibly being a paid public defender soon by the state of FL, I don't know his wealth or his family's).

You say you are sorry, you admit you were wrong. That would be nice but I don't think it is going to happen.

 

[LambChop]

Not according to some posters... :waitasec:

I don't think you'll see many "injured" LE mopping floors but you might see them in dispatch. Dispatchers are authorized to give instructions to civilians as to what to do in case of an emergency. Their whole function is communication between the person calling in a complaint and the officer who has been dispatched to answer the call. If the dispatcher does not have the correct information because someone mislead them by saying "okay" meaning they understood what he was asking, that dispatcher cannot warn the responding officer that the person they are suppose to meet is not where he said he would be. That makes it hard on LE to identify who is who in normal situations.

Also when someone misleads the dispatcher, that dispatcher has lost the opportunity to correctly direct that person to keep them from being hurt. That was the intention of dispatch that night. To secure GZ in the location of his car so that when the patrol car arrived they would know exactly where GZ was.......not that he was out roaming the common areas. This was exactly where they did not want him. You can ask any LE and they will tell you that you need to wait in a safe place until they arrive. Then let them do their job. jmo

 

[Lovejac]

There is a HUGE difference between those two words, imo. Punks is not nearly as inflammatory, nor is it racial. I don' tthink you can base a hate crime on the term 'punks.'

f***ing in front of anything is definitely not endearing IMO.

BTW, did I miss something? Is GZ being charged with a hate crime?

 

[Karmady]

I have a strange feeling that if a janitor identified themselves as law enforcement personnel when attempting to give "suggestions", they would be arrested on impersonation charges fairly quickly. That just doesn't fly, and calling yourself "law enforcement" anything when you're not a sworn officer of the law is venturing onto very dangerous and shaky grounds.

As I said before, they also dispatch FD and EMS, but I wouldn't call them "firefighting personnel" or "emergency medical personnel" any more than I would call them "law enforcement personnel". It's a disingenuous term that implies they're acting in a capacity they aren't qualified to act in.

Exactly. No one is authorized to speak on behalf of a licensed or certified trained professional. That's what oaths, certifications, licenses and similar are all about. The qualified professional is the one who can give the advice, order the medication, figure out whether the bridge will hold that weight, and so on. Because of that, they are the ones ultimately responsible for whatever happens when someone relies on their advice or instruction. Imo, the fact that the operator or dispatcher was equivocal is testimony to that. S/he knows the bounds of that authority. What's more, the probable cause affidavit does not use the direct quote. Imo, that's further testimony that what was actually said and by whom has absolutely no weight or bearing on whether GZ was within his right to follow -- assuming that he did follow, which remains to be seen. jmo

 

[csziggy]

I think we have credible evidence that TM was chatting with his girlfriend, thinking he had eluded GZ.

Yes, Trayvon's conversation with his girlfriend lasted apparently right up to when the 911 calls began if the times are correct.

But that does not tell us where Trayvon was, exactly. Personally, I also think Trayvon thought he had lost the strange guy who had been watching him and was just chatting with his girl before going back to the townhouse. But there is no way to know from his conversation exactly where he was.

IMO, JMO, etc.

 

[Adrienne37]

There is a HUGE difference between those two words, imo. Punks is not nearly as inflammatory, nor is it racial. I don' tthink you can base a hate crime on the term 'punks.'

Thanks but I do not believe I stated anything about hate crimes in my last few posts. Obviously, that job is better left to the US Department of Justice, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the State Attorney's Office, and the FBI. It's not for me to decide what is considered a hate crime and what's not.

~jmo~