17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #24

[mikeysmommom]

I don't disagree with that, really. Trayvon also had a right to stand his ground, although at the age of 17 he wouldn't have a right to carry a gun, I don't believe.

But he does have a right to defend himself if he is in real fear for his life or health.

And so does GZ. So the one with the best weapon wins.

This wouldn't have happened if either of them had behaved in a humble, agreeable way. But neither did.

I am still in the mind set that TM and GZ were struggling over the gun, and at that point there was nothing else GZ could do.Until I see real evidence otherwise.IMO That fits in with people seeing them wrestling on the ground,if TM jumped GZ and was on top per witnesses he would feel the gun and might have went for it.

 

[songline]

I don't think anyone saw the very beginning because it was so quick. Nobody usually looks unless there is a bit of a commotion already going on. So what we really need to know is who took the first punch or who shoved who first.

It will be a he said she said...
So I hope all the dots do line up.
All of the stories, and records will hopefully add up.

 

[Cher352]

I respectfully disagree. The act of following does not prove GZ was the aggressor. In fact, according to the law, as explained by Richard Hornsby, one can use deadly force if a person they provoke responds with disproportionate force. IMO

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/

I have a feeling before this is all over that everyone of us will know that law inside and out.:wink:

 

[beach]

I refuse to even peek at the "Sound Off" thread! I'm scurred to see what in the world ya'll say down there. :floorlaugh:

Heck, even I don't go down there. LOL

I tried to read a little bit the other night but I felt myself going straight into mod mode and almost caught myself posting "Y'all gotta be nice to each other no matter what!"

Truth is - that ain't so at all. So, buckle up and strap on the boxing gloves if you push the down button on the WS elevator.

I love peace and that kinda stuff. I'm a no drama kinda girl. I start getting itchy. lol

 

[songline]

Can you imagine what would happen if a white person saw the whole thing and if it was favorable to GZ,if they saw TM attack first.All the hate directed at GZ would come their way.Not so sure many would speak up JMO.Unless their identity was kept from the public and out of all records.

I think a number of people are playing "this is none of my business" because of fear.
I wonder if the police can knock on the doors and see if anyone will speak anonymously to start.
Doubt it...
It is possible that it was a white person and It was ME I too would think it through.
But with a guarantee that I would never be reveled come forward, no pictures, no camera,
no court room. Just a statement filed and sealed.
NO way would I put my life on the line.

 

[Donjeta]

This law totally sucks if it means that you can carry on in a threatening manner and make them stand their ground and fight you in fear of their life because you're brandishing a gun and then you can kill them and say you had to defend yourself and walk away radiating innocence.

So happy I don't live in Florida.

 

[LynnM]

But from what I see - GZ was overzealous, not a bad guy
BAD guys do not volunteer to tutor small black children for free,
Or watch the neighborhood for free.

IF GZ was a bad guy he would go somewhere and bully some strangers and shoot them.
Sort of what happend in Tolido recently.

Sure they do. People are never just one thing. Nobody thought John Wayne Gacy could possibly be a serial killer because he entertained sick children at a children's hospital. Ted Bundy used to work on a crisis hotline, right next to author Ann Rule. A good friend of mine grew up with a guy who was always doing things to help others, mowing lawns for the elderly for free when they couldn't pay when he was a teen. He volunteered for a lot of things as an adult. My friend was astonished when this man was caught molesting a child and it came out that he had more than 100 victims. I'm not saying George Zimmerman is a monster, just that people can be very complicated, doing some good things and some very bad things as well.

 

[magnolia]

I think you are right about Urlig as being tough, I was surprise he did not stick with him.
I do think he needs tough.
But the other guy Sonner as I see it was going to lose this case.
The only reason he came on the case is he was the first guy to say YES.
O'Mara IMHO is too soft for this case, but a good attorney. JMHO

From what I have seen so far, I agree with you. I wish Mark Nejame (sp?) had taken the case.

 

[Concerned Papa]

It will be a he said she said...
So I hope all the dots do line up.
All of the stories, and records will hopefully add up.

I didn't save the link, but a few days ago the Martin's attorney, Crumb, used the term "connects the dots" in describing the girlfriend's testimony. If her story is even remotely close to what's been reported, and if her's and Trayvon's phone records line up to within seconds of his being shot, she's going to be a very important part of the prosecution's case.

 

[AngelWings444]

Exactly the way I feel too! :doorhide:

I just visited that thread, and it's not THAT scary at all. :seeya: Just beware of anything green with a gun.

 

[katydid23]

I am still in the mind set that TM and GZ were struggling over the gun, and at that point there was nothing else GZ could do.Until I see real evidence otherwise.IMO That fits in with people seeing them wrestling on the ground,if TM jumped GZ and was on top per witnesses he would feel the gun and might have went for it.

That is what I think as well. I think that they verbally confronted each other first. TM saying "why are you following me?" and GZ ," What are you doing here?" I think at that point they were both surprised and afraid, and I think that one of them shoved the other, but I am not sure who was the one who shoved/punched first.

But once they began struggling, the gun became visible in GZ's waistband. And it makes me wonder if maybe they began to struggle over the control of the weapon at that point.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/12/2745357/prosecutors-zimmerman-profiled.html

Prosecutors say it was a more than just a chance encounter that ended badly for Zimmerman and worse for Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old he killed. The probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by two veteran investigators for the special prosecutor handling the case accuses Zimmerman of “profiling” the boy and assuming him to be a criminal.

bbm, this is a slippery slope already. Who are the 2 veteran investigators and who said they could profile the profiler? have they been vetted.

 

[Cher352]

I don't think anyone saw the very beginning because it was so quick. Nobody usually looks unless there is a bit of a commotion already going on. So what we really need to know is who took the first punch or who shoved who first.

Agree. All we have heard so far is that GZ was following and we don't even know at what distance but I think in this case who approached who first will also play into it.

 

[songline]

I'm pretty sure about it. He was a volunteer in a crime watch program, and doesn't have to give up his rights to be in that program.

And he wasn't patrolling anyway.

It seems clear to me, by the way he's being treated with the charges, that carrying his gun at that time wasn't a crime. IMHO.

Thank you for looking in to it, and not coming up with your own version of the rules LOL
You are correct I too was wondering WTF did he need a gun?
But since Florida Allows it and it was all done legally. Who am I to question it?
I do not like guns, I do not like that Law, but I am not the Law maker,
and I do not have to like the gun or the law.
I only have to hope for real justice.

I can never say this enough…
TO THE DEAD WE ONLY OWE THE TRUTH.
not our version of what we think, fit it into the case as fact.

 

[saguaro]

I have a feeling before this is all over that everyone of us will know that law inside and out.:wink:

And probably still not understand it.

It seems that there's a lot that is open for interpretation.

:twocents:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/12/2745357/prosecutors-zimmerman-profiled.html

Prosecutors say it was a more than just a chance encounter that ended badly for Zimmerman and worse for Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old he killed. The probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by two veteran investigators for the special prosecutor handling the case accuses Zimmerman of “profiling” the boy and assuming him to be a criminal.

bbm, this is a slippery slope already. Who are the 2 veteran investigators and who said they could profile the profiler? have they been vetted.

She named them in her press conference and gave their years of service.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/1...e-zimmerman-set-for-april-20/?test=latestnews

A bond hearing for George Zimmerman has been scheduled for April 20 at 9:00 a.m., Fox News has learned.

 

[LC446]

I don't disagree with that, really. Trayvon also had a right to stand his ground, although at the age of 17 he wouldn't have a right to carry a gun, I don't believe.

But he does have a right to defend himself if he is in real fear for his life or health.

And so does GZ. So the one with the best weapon wins.

This wouldn't have happened if either of them had behaved in a humble, agreeable way. But neither did.

BBM. IMO that sounds like the wild, wild west and IMO that is not how civilized people behave. There is no evidence to suggest that TM did not behave in a humble, agreeable way, but from the 911 tape, I would agree that GZ did not conduct himself in a humble, agreeable way.

 

[grammieto5]

well I just asked over on the thread for lawyers about no arrest and evidence. I'm looking forward to learning what the answer is I just can't imagine having someone shot and killed, and having the shooter making claims of abuse and no pictures, no xrays, no blood samples taken. I sure hope I'm missing something about the SYG law.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I don't disagree with that, really. Trayvon also had a right to stand his ground, although at the age of 17 he wouldn't have a right to carry a gun, I don't believe.

But he does have a right to defend himself if he is in real fear for his life or health.

And so does GZ. So the one with the best weapon wins.

This wouldn't have happened if either of them had behaved in a humble, agreeable way. But neither did.

Right, Trayvon should have been humble and agreeable with some strange guy starring at him and then following him in the dark.