17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #26

[Aedrys]

And this is the story told to Tracy Martin after if was decided not to charge GZ! Go figure!

Well that explains a lot. No wonder that story was unbelievable. He or the person who told this story never thought it would be challenged in the least! I wonder if this is the kind of story GZ told Sanford LE? If they bought this...wow, just wow.

 

[Isabelle]

The VICTIM, TRAYVON MARTIN, received a 10-day suspension as a disciplinary measure given by the school department, not ordered by a judge/court of law. Huge difference!

AMO~

My grandson knew exactly how to work the system. Whenever he wanted a vacation, he'd do something to get suspended. The school board and I went around on this many times.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

I don't see the relevance that keeps getting placed on TM's school disciplinary/suspension problems. It dies down then is resurrected.

For one thing, GZ had no way of knowing one iota about this teenager that he shot prior to the shooting. Another thing, GZ does not, to me, describe anything that sounds like suspicious behavior on his call to LE that fateful evening and lastly, had GZ witnessed or noticed criminal behavior that warranted him following to make sure TM did not get away before LE arrived, he would not have called the non-emergency number, IMO.

I think there are many, many areas of discipline meted out by schools that are not in any way, shape or form illegal. A 10 day suspension, while a strong suspension, is not necessarily equivalent to an illegal activity by someone else which resulted in charges and subsequent court ordered activities, etc. (GZ's legal issues).

I don't recall that any of TM's school disciplinary issues involved anything violent or aggressive at all.

It's all well and good to compare the backgrounds of the two people involved after the fact and then make justifications for what happened but IMO that is not a fair assessment of what happened that evening because neither knew each other and for all GZ knew, TM could have been the valedictorian of his class. He knew NOTHING about this teenager other than he didn't recognize him so this teenager's history or background played no part whatsoever in GZ's decision to not let this one get away.


IMO

RE: BBM ^^ It's called vilifying the victim.

AMO~

 

[Isabelle]

IMO/JMO
Florida--
Child= an unmarried person who is born, under the age of 18, and who has not been emancipated by order of the court.

Trayvon was a legally a child.

And in the hospital I worked in he would be admitted to the pediatric unit where children are cared for until the age of 21, unless there was no room available and it wasn't a maternity patient.

 

[Isabelle]

Good morning


hone: Just checking my GPS to be sure I'm in the Hot Cases Thread and not the Sound off thread. :waitasec:

Grandmaj: I have one word for your cute, active avatar: caffeine-free!

 

[Isabelle]

How right you are. Sanford has been like that for decades if not longer.

Just last last night yet another drive by shooting there in an apt complex. This is the third one I have seen on the news in the last few week.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/sanford-police-and-fdle-investigate-shooting-apart/nMbFc/

Did you see the comments below? LOL

 

[suzihawk]

I don't see it as a senseless silly debate. I think people do wonder why he's continually referred to as a child. If you all do it for legal reasons, or you think of him still as a child, that's fine. I don't see anything wrong with asking.

I don't see that it matters anyhow. Child or teen, no one is trying to pretend TM is an adult. Regardless, GZ was the adult, I don't think anyone is trying to illistrate he is less of a victim because of his age, any more than I think him being called a 'child' is to make him more of a victim.

So just pass the question on by if you don't want to answer it but its a logical question in my view, not that it matters to me if he is a child or a teen, like I said GZ was the adult in this situation with a gun no less!

Ima

I respectfully disagree, Ima. Some seem to have a vested interest in defending GZ's actions by considering and declaring Trayvon a full on adult, IMO

On the other hand, I don't understand how Trayvon can be considered MORE of a victim because he was underage according the the law. He was shot dead. Dead is DEAD. How can one be MORE of a victim than that by virtue of his age?

JMO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

What's your problem, homes? That doesn't even sound like something a teenager would say. I don't even think "homes" is even used by teenagers anymore, unless I'm wrong?

And actually, wasn't GZ's cellphone already out? I know exactly what he was reaching for, and it wasn't a cellphone. Good Lord. What a unbelievable story. Yes, please take this to court and see how it plays out, GZ. I hope your lawyer is more competent than you and your family and friends' storytelling abilities!

True...Homes was used back in the day...I believe today the word 'son' is used...I hear it all the time...Yo' son, wanna play some bball...:what:

I believe those are GZ's own words to again support his SYG defense..along with the mini western of, you're gonna die tonight, you got me...all out of the mouth of one I consider to be incredible...

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

What's your problem, homes? That doesn't even sound like something a teenager would say. I don't even think "homes" is even used by teenagers anymore, unless I'm wrong?

And actually, wasn't GZ's cellphone already out? I know exactly what he was reaching for, and it wasn't a cellphone. Good Lord. What a unbelievable story. Yes, please take this to court and see how it plays out, GZ. I hope your lawyer is more competent than you and your family and friends' storytelling abilities!

Homes was used back in the say, today the word 'son' is used..I hear it all the time...Yo' son, wanna play some bball...

One witness describes GZ with gun in one hand and the other hand on Trayvon's back as he straddled his fallen body..so I don't believe he had the cellphone in his hand at that point..

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...s/articles/cfn/2012/4/16/trayvon_martin_attor

In a motion filed Monday, the press asked Seminole Circuit Judge Mark Herr to unseal the documents, which includes evidence the state will present to Zimmerman's attorney.

Herr and Zimmerman's attorneys agreed to seal the documents, without signing an official order.

At the end of the affidavit, it says that the facts "are not a complete recitation of all the pertinent facts and evidence in this case but only are presented for a determination of Probable Cause for Second Degree Murder."

 

[Adrienne37]

New York shooting of elderly man draws parallels to Trayvon Martin case



http://www.cbs19.tv/story/17506401/...ly-man-draws-parallels-to-trayvon-martin-case

 

[Velouria]

What's your problem, homes? That doesn't even sound like something a teenager would say. I don't even think "homes" is even used by teenagers anymore, unless I'm wrong?

And actually, wasn't GZ's cellphone already out? I know exactly what he was reaching for, and it wasn't a cellphone. Good Lord. What a unbelievable story. Yes, please take this to court and see how it plays out, GZ. I hope your lawyer is more competent than you and your family and friends' storytelling abilities!

I think he used the word "homes" because "partner" would have been a bit too obvious.

 

[mercuriod]

Can someone post the link for the 46 or so prior calls to 911/non-emergency that GZ had made? And the resulting police reports if they are available?

Something has been nagging at the back of my mind ever since Concerned Papa and Dr. Fessel pointed out that the responding officer to the 2 direct prior calls that GZ had made was Officer Tim Smith, who also just happened to be the first officer on scene when GZ murdered Trayvon.

I want to see what time of the day/evening/night GZ was making his calls, were they random times or close to the same time? Police officers normally work the same shift and same territory day after day (excepting for normal days off). Could GZ have deduced from his frequent past calls that Officer Tim would most likely be the one to respond to his call? Because of his past calls and how long it "usually" took Officer Tim to arrive did GZ have a "good idea" of how long it would take Officer Tim to get there?

Do we really know when GZ left home to go to "Target"? Had he already gone to Target and was returning? Was "Target" just his "cover" story for really driving around looking for anyone that fit "his" idea of an "a$$hole", is it possible that he did this on a regular basis but his perfect "target" never crossed his path until Trayvon?

 

[imamaze]

I don't know if homes is still used or not but this is from the Urban Dictionary...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homes

 

[imamaze]

Can someone post the link for the 46 or so prior calls to 911/non-emergency that GZ had made? And the resulting police reports if they are available?

Something has been nagging at the back of my mind ever since Concerned Papa and Dr. Fessel pointed out that the responding officer to the 2 direct prior calls that GZ had made was Officer Tim Smith, who also just happened to be the first officer on scene when GZ murdered Trayvon.

I want to see what time of the day/evening/night GZ was making his calls, were they random times or close to the same time? Police officers normally work the same shift and same territory day after day (excepting for normal days off). Could GZ have deduced from his frequent past calls that Officer Tim would most likely be the one to respond to his call? Because of his past calls and how long it "usually" took Officer Tim to arrive did GZ have a "good idea" of how long it would take Officer Tim to get there?

Do we really know when GZ left home to go to "Target"? Had he already gone to Target and was returning? Was "Target" just his "cover" story for really driving around looking for anyone that fit "his" idea of an "a$$hole", is it possible that he did this on a regular basis but his perfect "target" never crossed his path until Trayvon?

George Zimmerman 911 call history

 

[lillygator]

I respectfully disagree, Ima. Some seem to have a vested interest in defending GZ's actions by considering and declaring Trayvon a full on adult, IMO

On the other hand, I don't understand how Trayvon can be considered MORE of a victim because he was underage according the the law. He was shot dead. Dead is DEAD. How can one be MORE of a victim than that by virtue of his age?

JMO

so now, if one thinks TM is not a child they are defending GZ's actions?

in my mind a "child" is more like the 12 yr old pic they showed of him or younger, not an over 6ft teen.

and if this situation were reversed and GZ dead, would he be tried as a child or would everyone be calling him a child?

 

[rotterdam]

And in the hospital I worked in he would be admitted to the pediatric unit where children are cared for until the age of 21, unless there was no room available and it wasn't a maternity patient.

Same with my pediatrician. Could take my kids there through 18 years old.
Not that they liked it :floorlaugh:
Seriously, when you talk to a 16/17 year old (in a nice way), even if you do not know their age, it becomes pretty evident after a short time you are talking to an adolescent. Big difference when talking to a 28 year old..

 

[Adrienne37]

Keep records sealed in Trayvon Martin case, defense lawyer says

George Zimmerman’s lawyer, appearing on CNN Monday night, said court records in the Trayvon Martin case need to be kept private to protect witnesses.

The defense attorney representing George Zimmerman, who faces second-degree murder charges in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, appeared on CNN Monday night explaining why he believes the court records in the highly controversial case should remain sealed.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/17/2753497/keep-records-sealed-in-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

I happen to like Mr. O'Mara alot and while I'm glad that Zimmerman has a good attorney, I think he now needs to get out of the media spotlight himself. Asking for the records to be sealed yet turning around and being interviewed time after time sure doesn't make a very good argument as to why the records shouldn't be released. If he isn't careful, he's going to end up being another Baez.



~jmo~

 

[suzihawk]

so now, if one thinks TM is not a child they are defending GZ's actions?

in my mind a "child" is more like the 12 yr old pic they showed of him or younger, not an over 6ft teen.

and if this situation were reversed and GZ dead, would he be tried as a child or would everyone be calling him a child?

BBM #1 - It appears they have some sort of agenda in vehemently claiming he's not a child. IMO

BBM #2 - Quite possibly, IMO. We'll never know since that's not the case, however.

 

[mercuriod]

George Zimmerman 911 call history

Thank you