17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #26

[grandmaj]

The marked vehicle would be part of the ongoing investigation, to which the records were sealed before any information was let out. The gun was common knowledge from the start. JMO

The woman quoted in this article trained George and the watch group. She said in the article that there are no marked cars.

In Sanford, she said, watch groups are not even supposed to make the rounds. That is the job of another kind of volunteer organization, Citizens on Patrol, whose members are selected and trained by the police and who drive the streets in a specially marked vehicle. Members of that group, Ms. Dorival said, “are armed only with a radio.”

Scroll up for the link the article is long and that is MSM.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I might have to go peek downstairs if I know ya'll are holding back information that has been released? Like eye witnesses who seen George's injuries and bandages after the fact?

Please don't make me go down there and lead me to where I can find this information. lease:

 

[PaintingAnemone]

lol, you're dodging the main point.

They didn't see the altercation or the shooting. They've never claimed to.

I'm not sure how you're saying their story is different from Zimmerman's when 1) we don't even know what Zimmerman's account really is, and 2) they didn't see anything until after the shooting.

I didn't think I was dodging anything, but I will address the two specific points you specify:

1. We have the preliminary account that he gave to the police (in their incident report), as well as the story that his father and brother are peddling on prime time to anyone who will listen. They seem pretty adamant that this is the story as George told it to them, so I think that is enough to go off of for now.

2. The two women didn't need to see the altercation for their statements to call into question the position Zimmerman was in when he shot Martin. Zimmerman's family (in repeating what they say George Z. told them) claims that he was practically on his last breath with his head being slammed into the ground and his mouth and nose being covered when he was forced to defend himself with his gun. However, that doesn't fit with how Martin was found, just seconds later, on his stomach with his hands beneath him and Zimmerman straddling his body. Whichever way you cut it, I think it brings up some pretty interesting questions about how the two parties managed to switch positions so completely.

The very fact that they appeared almost immediately on the scene gives us some idea of how the two parties were positioned just after the shot was fired, and Zimmerman's condition and apparent state of mind in the heat of the moment, and perhaps without time to think about guarding his actions.

 

[Velouria]

The marked vehicle would be part of the ongoing investigation, to which the records were sealed before any information was let out. The gun was common knowledge from the start. JMO

Okay, so if this information about the alleged marked vehicle is sealed, how would you know anything about it?

 

[PaintingAnemone]

Did you hear the screams on the 911 tapes? The screams Cutcher claimed to never hear, right outside her window? It surely didn't sound like "whining" to me.

A whine is a high-pitched wail or cry (not the bratty 2-year old sound that you're probably imagining), and I think that describes the sounds on the 911 tape fairly well.

 

[LolaMoon08]

The marked vehicle would be part of the ongoing investigation, to which the records were sealed before any information was let out. The gun was common knowledge from the start. JMO

I honestly don't think that when discovery is released, we will find any pictures of George's truck clearly being marked "Neighborhood Watch." Sorry.

MOO

 

[LolaMoon08]

Okay, so if this information about the alleged marked vehicle is sealed, how would you know anything about it?

:seeya: Pick me! :seeya: Pick me!

Just kidding! :jail:

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I might have to go peek downstairs if I know ya'll are holding back information that has been released? Like eye witnesses who seen George's injuries and bandages after the fact?

Please don't make me go down there and lead me to where I can find this information. lease:

I think the poster may be referring to this:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...16_1_police-station-shooting-police-detective

 

[Desdemona]

With all this space stuff up in outerspace, we should really have video or at least screenshots of what happened that night!

MOO

Wouldn't that be something? :worldmap:

(...or even a well-placed rooftop surveillance camera to supplement the whole Neighborhood Watch effort, ya know? If only.)

 

[grandmaj]

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[Velouria]

I might have to go peek downstairs if I know ya'll are holding back information that has been released? Like eye witnesses who seen George's injuries and bandages after the fact?

Please don't make me go down there and lead me to where I can find this information. lease:

Here you go, my little :chicken:

April 17, 2012 9:22 AM



George Zimmerman had bandages on nose and head after shooting, neighbors say

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...n-nose-and-head-after-shooting-neighbors-say/

(CBS News) - According to his neighbors, George Zimmerman had bandages on his nose and head the day after he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on February 26th.

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( more at link)

 

[AngelWings444]

That would imply that every prosecutor that files charges would get a guilty verdict because the evidence is so compelling. I can think of a football player and a female from Florida that can attest to this not being true. You just have to have probable cause to file charges. That's nowhere near "beyond a reasonable doubt".

The evidence in both of the cases your referenced was very strong and IMO, there was no question as to guilt! It was proved beyond a "reasonable" doubt. Unfortunately, both of the murderers were set free. Karma has caught up to one, patiently waiting for the other.

I'm hoping this case isn't huge when it comes time for the trial. Since it wasn't filed as a hate crime or racial profiling, I'm thinking it might die down before them. As someone else stated, the high profile cases are a different animal these days. Sadly.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I think the poster may be referring to this:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...16_1_police-station-shooting-police-detective

Thanks!! So... when can we expect to see the photographs? How close were these neighbors when they seen him that day? Were they close enough to really see some swelling? Just curious?

 

[Adrienne37]

Trayvon Martin case highlighted as racial profiling by Senate panel
There is tension between black boys and police, U.S. Senate panel is told


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...ate-racial-profiling-20120417,0,2412203.story

 

[Adrienne37]

Thanks!! So... when can we expect to see the photographs? How close were these neighbors when they seen him that day? Were they close enough to really see some swelling? Just curious?

One was upstairs, looked down and saw his nose being swollen.



~jmo~

 

[Velouria]

One was upstairs, looked down and saw his nose being swollen.



~jmo~

Yes, under a bandage no less.

 

[LolaMoon08]

One was upstairs, looked down and saw his nose being swollen.



~jmo~

With the bandage on? :waitasec:

 

[LolaMoon08]

Yes, under a bandage no less.

:floorlaugh: I just asked that!

 

[LynnM]

We have no PROOF that GZ did anything in the way of provoking a physical confrontation.. they asked him not to follow Tray,he said OK and then he went in the opposite direction to get the address from they next street. By that time, it was dark. He would not have been able to see Tray if he was half way down that sidewalk. It was on his way back that the confrontation happened. He was attacked from behind. We have saw photos, we have seen/heard witness accounts of the bandages he had, and of his swollen/bandaged nose. My goodness, what more does one need to make an assessment of who was the aggressor here?

1) We don't know that he went in the opposite direction to get the address. We don't know that Trayvon attacked him from behind. He apparently said that in his statement to police but then he shot an unarmed teenager and he has an interest in presenting himself as innocent and avoiding being convicted of second degree murder charges.

2) According to the police and the 911 calls, no one saw the beginning of the confrontation so the witnesses are no help in that regard.

3) phone records show that Travyon was on the phone with his girlfriend until less than a minute before he was shot. Most people don't sneak up on someone while chatting away.

4) I have no doubt that GZ received some scrapes or bruises in the scuffle that witnesses reported taking place. An aggressor can still get injuries.

5) GZ's story is that his head was being banged against the sidewalk but at least one witness has said that when he saw the two scuffling they were no where near the sidewalk.

6) A story is being told by GZ's family that there was an exchange when George was in the car (Why are you following me? I'm not following you.) but we know from listening to the non-emergency call that no such exchange took place. He simply reported that Trayvon had come up to the car and looked at him and then moved on. Of course his family could have misunderstood him but if this scenario is in HIS account to the police it would mean he's lying.

7) With GZ's call, Trayvon and his girlfriend's cell phone records, and the multiiple 911 calls, we have a good timeline as to what happened when. There is very little time, about a minute for a confrontation, scuffle and shooting to take place. I don't see how GZ's story can be true.

8) The special prosecutor has charged him with second degree murder. She must find the evidence she has to be persuasive. I am looking forward to hearing and seeing that evidence.

 

[Desdemona]

In Sanford, she said, watch groups are not even supposed to make the rounds. That is the job of another kind of volunteer organization, Citizens on Patrol, whose members are selected and trained by the police and who drive the streets in a specially marked vehicle. Members of that group, Ms. Dorival said, “are armed only with a radio.”

A wide range of neighborhood watch organizations exist across the country. Some have patrols, while others like Sanford’s do not. But the National Sheriffs’ Association, which sponsors the program nationwide, is absolutely clear on one point: guns have no place in a watch group. A manual distributed by the association repeatedly underscores the point: “Patrol members do not carry weapons.”

The manual warns that watch members should “not attempt to apprehend a person committing a crime or to investigate a suspicious activity.” It should be emphasized to members of patrols, the materials state, that “they do not possess police power and they shall not carry weapons.” The consequences of not following the guidelines are severe, the manual states: “Each member is liable as an individual for civil and criminal charges should he exceed his authority.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/u...borhood-watch-groups.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

B&CBM

Weapons are not to be carried by those citizen volunteers who are working in an organized neighborhood patrol capacity.