17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #26

[LynnM]

I saw a street fight in NYC yesterday.
It started on one end of the street, but ended on the other end of the street.
What I saw was that both of the guys fighting were not standing still.

So If I was to call 911 I would have had to say they are on west 68th street, but when the cops would have arrived they would have found them on west 67 streets.

I do not think that GZ and TM stood still either.

Zimmerman's story is that Trayvon sneaked up behind him and knocked him down with one punch. That's an awful lot of rolling to do in a one minute scuffle before they got that far down between the townhouses.

 

[suzihawk]

They want to put as much time between the crime and the trial because people's memories dim, tension over the case will dissipate and passion disappears. Sad but true.

I don't think it will happen in this case, however. Too much is at stake for our nation, our brothers, our sisters.

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I agree with your first statement, 4Jacy.

I would hope your second statement is wrong, however. I'd hate to think this case won't go to trial simply out of fear of any possible repercussions to our nation. That would be a horrible injustice, IMO.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

They were talking about GZ brother saying one more hit to the head he would have been wearing diapers.
Hits to the head are never minor, too often people have no idea how sever it can be.
If you follow the conversation it would make sense why I would bring that up.

and that doesn't seem embellished to you?

He was walking fine and dandy being brought to the police station...he refused an ambulance that was called for him...he walked on his own two feet with hands handcuffed behind his back...Quite a fete for someone with one head hit away from wearing diapers...Puhleeze.......:banghead:

 

[grandmaj]

Good Morning, Grandmaj

Apparently you are monitering this thread at the present. I know you are familiar with the 10-20, 10-4 type jargon contained in scanner talk.

This is the full recording of the SFD Fire and Rescue dispatch. To my untrained ears, it sounds like some of what's coming across is from LE officers on the scene. Would you listen to it when you have time and translate what's being said?

I'm mainly interested in knowing if I'm hearing correctly that SPD has secured the scene and is directing the SFD units to respond by way of 2831 Retreat View Circle as opposed to Twin Trees.

Trayvon Martin Ambulance Audio Recording - YouTube

Thanks for all you do.

I'm on my way out to work. I will listen after I get myself situated and a few vital projects moving this morning.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I saw a street fight in NYC yesterday.
It started on one end of the street, but ended on the other end of the street.
What I saw was that both of the guys fighting were not standing still.

So If I was to call 911 I would have had to say they are on west 68th street, but when the cops would have arrived they would have found them on west 67 streets.

I do not think that GZ and TM stood still either.

So you're thinking the fight was kind of a mobile affair?

Curious, don't you think, that George's father described it in such stationary terms as to it's location?

Zimmerman: Trayvon came from that area where the sidewalks meet. He asked my son if he had a problem, and George said, no, I don't have a problem. Trayvon said, well, you do now. He punched him in the face, broke his nose, knocked him to the sidewalk, and got on him and started beating him.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hanni...-trayvon-martin-shooting?page=2#ixzz1sOljC4X4

 

[songline]

Not according to ACorey...read the charging document..it's clearly laid out..I don't get how in the heck folk can back this guy who took a teen's life for no other reason than HIM deeming TM a criminal...up to no good, on drugs or something...What the hell is wrong with America these days...:banghead:

We now blame the victim and praise the perpetrator???

I just don't follow that logic...:maddening:

I believe this is why our judicial system is in an uproar...blame the victim seems to be the mantra these days...when in fact, GZ should be held accountable for his actions...You both are just taking GZ's words as facts when his facts don't match the evidence...especially speaking on how and where this murder occurred...or the SP would not have brought charges she thought would not get to court...and the Judge who signed it agreed...there is probable cause to move forward..so we now say the judge and SP don't have a clue on the statutes? That we know more than they do? That this is to just appease the public pressure..:what:

I think not!

JMO

We should never just jump on any bandwagon. We should always want to see the facts. I am a believer in character knowledge.
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George will not get off completely because he is overzealous. And I hope the police gets a hall over and the Law too.

But I will never jump on any bandwagon especially one where civil right politicians get into the mix, because it
changes the reality right from the start.

It is very sad someone lost their life. It is also sad to watch the vengeance here, without the facts.

 

[Adrienne37]

They were talking about GZ brother saying one more hit to the head he would have been wearing diapers.
Hits to the head are never minor, too often people have no idea how sever it can be.
If you follow the conversation it would make sense why I would bring that up.

I'm sorry, I followed the entire conversation but just fail to see how Natasha Richardson and her very tragic death could even remotely be compared to Zimmerman. Absolutely no comparison.


~jmo~

 

[grandmaj]

Important........

We have redirected, redirected, snipped and snipped race comments on this thread. For 6 weeks!

All race comments and issues are to be discussed in Sound Off. The ray gun is coming out! You have a place to discuss these issues take it there!

 

[4Jacy]

Not according to ACorey...read the charging document..it's clearly laid out..I don't get how in the heck folk can back this guy who took a teen's life for no other reason than HIM deeming TM a criminal...up to no good, on drugs or something...What the hell is wrong with America these days...:banghead:

We now blame the victim and praise the perpetrator???

I just don't follow that logic...:maddening:

I believe this is why our judicial system is in an uproar...blame the victim seems to be the mantra these days...when in fact, GZ should be held accountable for his actions...You both are just taking GZ's words as facts when his facts don't match the evidence...especially speaking on how and where this murder occurred...or the SP would not have brought charges she thought would not get to court...and the Judge who signed it agreed...there is probable cause to move forward..so we now say the judge and SP don't have a clue on the statutes? That we know more than they do? That this is to just appease the public pressure..:what:

I think not!

:yourock:

THANK YOU!

 

[songline]

and that doesn't seem embellished to you?

He was walking fine and dandy being brought to the police station...he refused an ambulance that was called for him...he walked on his own two feet with hands handcuffed behind his back...Quite a fete for someone with one head hit away from wearing diapers...Puhleeze.......:banghead:

I used my own friend as an example: SO YES GZ could have walked fine.
This is a true story.
Friend played freezbe with his dog tripped and fell, Wife was worried, but he refused to go have a look at it continued to play with the dog..
Later his wife insisted he go to ER...He died that night.

This is not unusual, to think you will be OK while you are not OK
many have skipped a trip to the ER and ended up dead, many get lucky.
It is a 50/50 chance.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I used my own friend as an example: SO YES GZ could have walked fine.
This is a true story.
Friend played freezbe with his dog tripped and fell, Wife was worried, but he refused to go have a look at it continued to play with the dog..
Later his wife insisted he go to ER...He died that night.

This is not unusual, to think you will be OK while you are not OK
many have skipped a trip to the ER and ended up dead, many get lucky.

Sweetie, that's not the case here...George Zimmerman is alive and well, so that doesn't apply to HIM....:banghead:

 

[saguaro]

CNN Poll: Most believe Trayvon Martin's shooter should have been arrested


(CNN) - An overwhelming majority of Americans believe the man who killed unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin should have been arrested, according to a CNN/ORC International Poll released Wednesday.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-shooter-should-have-been-arrested/?hpt=hp_t2

Comments are already closed on an article posted 2 hours ago?

 

[cityslick]

So you're thinking the fight was kind of a mobile affair?

Curious, don't you think, that George's father described it in such stationary terms as to it's location?[/QUOTE]

BBM

Considering the fact that GZ's father wasn't there that night, I'm going to take his details (or lack thereof) of what happened with a grain of salt.

I understand GZ isn't talking and all we have to go on is these other people who weren't even there giving accounts of what happened, but I'm not sure why we are putting that much stock into it. It's a 2nd or 3rd hand account of something they heard or maybe even didn't hear and are just making the story up as they go. Then folks want to know why the stories are not consistant.

 

[PaintingAnemone]

The way I understand, from what I learned in the beginning, was that when Trayvon ran, he ran around the curve on Twin Trees Lane, and then ran through the middle of 2 buildings. GZ started to run after him, but was told not to by dispatch. At that point, you can tell he stops running from the 911 tapes. This was where GZ walked on across the cut through and got on the sidewalk and walked down it to see if he could spot Trayvon, which he did not. He continued straight down the sidewalk towards the gate where he got the address for dispatch. When he was walking back to his truck, he got attacked at the T in the sidewalk that ran behind the rows of townhomes. This was behind witness John's townhome. I also want to bring up while I am mentioning witness John, is when he was on the phone with 911, after he reported what was going on, he then stated that he just heard what was either a rock hitting the window, or a gunshot...weird.. this whole case is so very weird. What if it was a cell phone being flung at the window in desperation for getting help? If that were the case, and it was Tray's cell phone, that would account for it being locked and inaccessible until Tracy provided the password. JMO IMHO and all that.

Despite Zimmerman's claim that he was attacked on the T (and that Trayvon knocked him down with a single punch), the crime scene was several houses down, due south on the path that runs perpendicular to the cut-through. Since it defies belief that they started fighting at the T, and then somehow rolled several houses south down the path to where the body was found, we have a pretty glaring inconsistency in the story.
Zimmerman's car was due west from the cut-through. The crime scene was south. At some point, Zimmerman must have headed south, despite the fact that his car was west. Since he had no other reason to head in that direction besides a continued pursuit of Martin, this indicates to me that he is either not being truthful about where the fight started, or he is not being truthful about where he was going when he continued walking after being told to stop following Martin - possibly not being truthful about either point. He didn't NEED to walk to the other street over to get an address; he could have immediately turned around and gotten one from the house behind him. But that wouldn't give him an excuse to keep walking in the direction he'd seen Martin take.

 

[saguaro]

What does that have to do with anything? I didn't post it for the comments anyway, I posted it because of the content of the article.


~jmo~

I was merely commenting.

My opinion isn't any less important than yours.

In my opinion, of course.

 

[grammieto5]

was the next day when they did the walk through with Tracy and Brandy. Don't see how she could have heard many different stories. JMO

So there's a video of an interview with Tracy and Brandy the day after Trayvon was murdered? I would like to see this. Back to Google I go

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

776.012&#8195;Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1)&#8195;He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2)&#8195;Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...0776/0776.html


BBM

Another reason why GZ was arrested for 2nd degree murder...

What felony was TM in the middle of committing???

GZ must be held accountable for his actions...He took a life due to his paranoia, what his mind told him TM was up to no good...

I believe GZ and many others have misinterpeted the law to use for their own personal agendas....and GZ does appear to be using vigilante justice...

 

[suzihawk]

Posted by cityslick:

Considering the fact that GZ's father wasn't there that night, I'm going to take his details (or lack thereof) of what happened with a grain of salt.

I understand GZ isn't talking and all we have to go on is these other people who weren't even there giving accounts of what happened, but I'm not sure why we are putting that much stock into it. It's a 2nd or 3rd hand account of something they heard or maybe even didn't hear and are just making the story up as they go. Then folks want to know why the stories are not consistant.

OTOH, it appears GZ endorses the various versions his family and 'friends' put out in order to get his version of the story out there. I can't count the times Taaffe has said, "George wanted me to share this with you, <insert hosts' name>.

JMO

 

[PaintingAnemone]

Considering the fact that GZ's father wasn't there that night, I'm going to take his details (or lack thereof) of what happened with a grain of salt.

I understand GZ isn't talking and all we have to go on is these other people who weren't even there giving accounts of what happened, but I'm not sure why we are putting that much stock into it. It's a 2nd or 3rd hand account of something they heard or maybe even didn't hear and are just making the story up as they go. Then folks want to know why the stories are not consistant.

While I can certainly understand a "grain of salt" approach, both the father and brother have clearly said that this is how George Zimmerman told them what happened, and that they're only relating the story as he told it to them. They are basically acting as his advocates to the public during a time that he doesn't feel secure or able to advocate for himself. Both of their stories are very rehearsed, and nearly identical, which indicates to me that they're on the same page with the tale they've chosen to present to the media and the general public. It is hearsay, so obviously not admissible in court, but it's still a pretty clear vision of where their family stands with regard to what they're saying happened to him that night.

 

[LynnM]

Not according to ACorey...read the charging document..it's clearly laid out..I don't get how in the heck folk can back this guy who took a teen's life for no other reason than HIM deeming TM a criminal...up to no good, on drugs or something...What the hell is wrong with America these days...:banghead:

We now blame the victim and praise the perpetrator???

I just don't follow that logic...:maddening:

I believe this is why our judicial system is in an uproar...blame the victim seems to be the mantra these days...when in fact, GZ should be held accountable for his actions...You both are just taking GZ's words as facts when his facts don't match the evidence...especially speaking on how and where this murder occurred...or the SP would not have brought charges she thought would not get to court...and the Judge who signed it agreed...there is probable cause to move forward..so we now say the judge and SP don't have a clue on the statutes? That we know more than they do? That this is to just appease the public pressure..:what:

I think not!

I know just how you feel. I have done a lot of consulting work in the prison system as well as helping to develop and run a rehabilitation program for women offenders so I have spent a lot of time talking to people accused of and convicted of a crime. Some are honest and plead guilty and some plead not guilty, are convicted, and later acknowledge that yes they did do the crime. Some are actually found innocent and in some cases it becomes clear that there was overcharging involved. But quite often the ones who are caught having done something always have a story as to why what they did isn't a crime. For example, one woman cashes another's paycheck but claims this isn't forgery or theft but claims that the woman's husband gave it to her in payment for babysitting (uh, three hours of babysitting merits two weeks of wages?). A man insists that he isn't guilty of rape because the woman was asking for it by being out late and it was consensual (right because a nurse shouldn't work the night shift and after 8 hours of being on her feet what she really wants is not to go home but to have sex with a strange man who accosts her in the parking garage). Or it's not really assault because my boss is obnoxious (and that may be but you don't get to administer a beating, how about getting another job).

So I'm used to hearing stories that don't make sense. Zimmerman's story doesn't make sense to me, not after hearing his call, the 911 calls, the girlfriend's call and considering the timeline and where Trayvon's body was found. Of course he is legally innocent until proven guilty and he should have due process. But it just seems incredibly weird to me that as soon as his story of self defense is told - I just had to shoot an unarmed teenager because he hit me after I followed him and I was afraid he might kill me - some people just say, Oh well then he had a reason and Chief Lee says we can't arrest him, he claims he was standing his ground. I've never seen anything like this.