17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #27

[LynnM]

Yup! And you know what else doesn't ring true for me? ...

GZ says that TM's last words were, "You got me..."

That doesn't sound realistic to me, coming from a modern inner-city kid. IMO, that sounds like a fake line straight out of a 1950s Western -- something GZ heard in a John Wayne movie.

I don't really know what a kid's last words would be in this horrible situation. But if it were me, there would be profanity or put downs involved.

But ... "You got me..."? Is this a goofy made-up line to make it sound like TM was admitting he'd be caught doing something wrong?

None of the B movie dialogue rings true to me, not "You got me" and not "Homes or Homey" or whatever it was. To be fair, this is a third hand account, what Mr. Martin said the police told him that Zimmerman said. So this is another thing where I want to hear a recording of what Zimmerman actually said to the police because if he indeed said these things, well it is just not credible. Just like if he (himself and not just his family) describes a verbal encounter with Trayvon when he was in his car, it's not true. If Zimmerman is guilty and making up a story, I really, really hope he told it without knowing his call had been recorded.

 

[uvamerica]

I have always thought that there was no physical confrontation until that gun was pulled out. I think Trayvon did turn around, as George approached him from behind, and asked him "Why are you following me?" and George replies, as he gets closer to Trayvon "What are you doing here."

Now Daddy Zimmerman claims that Trayvon said "What's your f***ing problem, homes" and George says "Nothing." and reaches for his phone... and that is when Trayvon attacks George.

Oh, I believe that George reached for something, but it was not his phone... as George was approaching Trayvon and asking "What are you doing here" I believe that George Zimmerman reached for his gun and I believe Trayvon didn't have time to run away again because George was right there -- and that is when the struggle started.

MOO

What happened to the "TM attacked GZ from behind" story ? or was that the first story ? been so many I forget
:moo:

 

[PaperDoll]

I believe that if GZ has all these wounds on him like he claims, it's because TM was DEFENDING HIMSELF from his aggressive attacker. So, even if GZ has pics of his wounds, it doesn't prove TM attacked him first. :twocents:

 

[mommakk51]

And I still don't see an injury severe enough to cause spoon-feeding and diapers. He's standing up tall, walking straight, and according to others- talking normally.

No doubt EMS would have given him pain medication and possibly even something to treat panic. I did see him wobble and lean against a wall when they brought him in to SPD. He also had trouble getting out of the car.

 

[Adrienne37]

What happened to the "TM attacked GZ from behind" story ? or was that the first story ? been so many I forget
:moo:

O.M.G UV, that was so last week.


~jmo~

 

[IzzyBlanche]

“He was beaten to a bloody pulp that night, and he’s lucky to be alive. There’s proof of that,” the friend of Zimmerman said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...se-judge-bows-article-1.1063745#ixzz1sQYtsXKJ

He recovered pretty quick considering that he didn't appear to be a bloody pulp at the police station video.

Did he take the photos before the EMTs cleaned him up?

Sorry I'm late to the rodeo again, but really? GZ has been vilified worldwide yet hasn't released these exculpatory photos to the press to vindicate himself in the eyes of the public?

If anyone believes that, I have some beachfront property in Nebraska for sale. Just pm me.

:floorlaugh:

 

[IzzyBlanche]

BBM.

This is what I've heard as well. Also, don't run in a straight line.

O/T just for waltzingmatilda:

Serpentine, Shel! :floorlaugh:

Carry on.

 

[chefmom]

Sorry I'm late to the rodeo again, but really? GZ has been vilified worldwide yet hasn't released these exculpatory photos to the press to vindicate himself in the eyes of the public?

If anyone believes that, I have some beachfront property in Nebraska for sale. Just pm me.

:floorlaugh:

I wonder who the "friend" from the link is? Sounds like FT, and I trust nothing he says. I would not be surprised if GZ has pictures of himself looking beaten, but I would want proof that they are from that night, and confirmation from someone other than him that they are legitimate. My main problem with the alleged pics are why they haven't been shown yet. If the whole world thought I was a racist murderer, I would have those pictures plastered on every paper and across every tv screen. JMO

 

[mommakk51]

BTW, I agree with those who say Trayvon would not have attacked a man with a gun. Come on. If he saw that gun he would have tried to run, or freeze or beg, but not attack. No one does that.

I think a more likely scenario, based on what I have heard about both parties to this killing, is that Zimmerman ran after the "a$$hole" to make sure he didn't get away, confronted him, pushed him, Trayvon fought back and at a certain point, Zimmerman pulled his gun out, pointed it at Trayvon, who began crying and begging for his life, and then calmly shot him from a standing position. That's my instinct. Ballistics should bear out if I am correct.

Another thing, Zimmerman WAS arrested. I keep hearing that he wasn't, because that's what the media stated at first. But he was handcuffed and taken to LE headquarters in a squad car, which means he WAS arrested. And that may be good news because that increases the possibility that photos were taken of Zimmerman's injuries. There was a reason the initial investigator wanted him charged.

It will very interesting to see what evidence exists in this case.

He was NOT arrested on the night of the incident. He was taken to the SPD and questioned for 5 hours, whereupon they released him. He wasn't arrested till just recently.

 

[Isabelle]

No doubt EMS would have given him pain medication and possibly even something to treat panic. I did see him wobble and lean against a wall when they brought him in to SPD. He also had trouble getting out of the car.

Not sure if EMS could have gotten orders to give GZ something in the field if GZ refused to go to ER. WaaaaaY too much liability, since EMS would have had to get orders from MD in ER.

ETA: and with a potential head injury, GZ would never have gotten any pain med or sedative until assessed in the ER, except if he was having seizures, then he would have to be on oxygen and probably need an oral airway.

 

[Adrienne37]

He was NOT arrested on the night of the incident. He was taken to the SPD and questioned for 5 hours, whereupon they released him. He wasn't arrested till just recently.

Just a quick FYI since you are new here to WS. Gitana1 is one of our professional posters as she is a verified attorney here at WS. If she says Zimmerman was arrested, I'd pretty much be willing to bet that he was under arrest that night prior to being released.


~jmo~

 

[IzzyBlanche]

This picture you posted response to is a photo enhancement ..I actually watched that person (technician) beside Gary Tuchman go thru all the colors and manipulations to get that picture..
If that is a true rendering of his injury..it is far too high or too close to top of his head to indicate pummelling into concret/sidewalk..infact it could have been from a tree branch or a slip and fall into something (it was on grass and wet from raining).
What I truly wish to hear and see is the EMT report and pictures if taken that night. I also noticed NO bandaging in place? Why no bandage? maybe because it wasnt bleeding or maybe because george took it off or maybe it was a superficial scrape..requiring maybe polysporin ointment to protect from infection.. Who knows??

BBM. This is an excellent point IMO. It is at the crown, toward the top of, his head. It seems to me that a person lying on his back with his head being beaten into the ground would have injuries more toward the back of the head than the top.


JMO without my own personal experience, and I hope I am not being insensitive in hoping that the posters who have bravely revealed having had similar experiences will weigh in.

If I am, mods please delete.

 

[octobermoon]

Not sure if EMS could have gotten orders to give GZ something in the field if GZ refused to go to ER. WaaaaaY too much liability, since EMS would have had to get orders from MD in ER.

ETA: and with a potential head injury, GZ would never have gotten any pain med or sedative until assessed in the ER, except if he was having seizures, then he would have to be on oxygen and probably need an oral airway.

Thanks Isabelle

I didn't think they could give any kind of meds without approval from a Dr.

 

[Isabelle]

BBM. This is an excellent point IMO. It is at the crown, toward the top of, his head. It seems to me that a person lying on his back with his head being beaten into the ground would have injuries more toward the back of the head than the top.


JMO without my own personal experience, and I hope I am not being insensitive in hoping that the posters who have bravely revealed having had similar experiences will weigh in.

If I am, mods please delete.

My thoughts are that GZ fired the gun while upright, got popped in the nose and fell back striking an object, tree or the poop scoop receptacle, since it looks to be a few feet tall, and it seems they were fairly close to that green thingy.

 

[Isabelle]

Wonder if I can find a poop scoop receptacle online and see what height is? Gonna look.

 

[Isabelle]

Well lookey here: Stands 6 ft 6 in.

http://qualitypetwastestations.com/

 

[uvamerica]

Not sure if EMS could have gotten orders to give GZ something in the field if GZ refused to go to ER. WaaaaaY too much liability, since EMS would have had to get orders from MD in ER.

ETA: and with a potential head injury, GZ would never have gotten any pain med or sedative until assessed in the ER, except if he was having seizures, then he would have to be on oxygen and probably need an oral airway.

Your right, when I broke my shoulder, my collarbone was poking through the skin, and I had to wait until the emts radioed the hospital to get permission and instructions on what and how much to give me on the way to the hospital. GZ was never taken to the hospital, so I don't believe he was given a thing, not even a bandaid.

 

[suzihawk]

He was NOT arrested on the night of the incident. He was taken to the SPD and questioned for 5 hours, whereupon they released him. He wasn't arrested till just recently.

He was definitely detained and released but not charged. Since gitana1 is an attorney, I'll defer to her as to whether or not he was technically arrested for now. She would know better than I.

IMO

ETA: Oops... I see Adrienne already has it covered.

 

[Isabelle]

Your right, when I broke my shoulder, my collarbone was poking through the skin, and I had to wait until the emts radioed the hospital to get permission and instructions on what and how much to give me on the way to the hospital. GZ was never taken to the hospital, so I don't believe he was given a thing, not even a bandaid.

Exactly, GZ wouldn't have been given anything considering possible head trauma. The Doc doesn't want to try and evaluate a sedated patient, too confusing. Now, like I said if his injury caused seizures, they would have given valium most likely with order from MD. And, he wouldn't get anything unless he was in the emergency unit, enroute to ER. Can't just dispense opiates, sedatives and whatnot on the streets and let people go, just too dangerous.

ETA: Ouch! I know you were in pain. So sorry. Your wait for relief must have seemed like forever. We really don't like to see people suffer.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I've been trying to work something out in my head for the last couple of days and that is the gun. When did GZ pull it out of the holster? I'm not convinced that he was walking around with it out, but I can't get my head around the story that he pulled it out while Trayvon was on top of him either. And here is why.....(please feel free to correct anything I may have wrong that is already documented as "known".)


The story goes that at some point Trayvon was straddling GZ banging his head against the ground, and that is when GZ got his gun and shot Trayvon. What I have trouble with is how did GZ get his gun if Trayvon was sitting on him in a straddle position?

GZ was wearing a jacket, so, he would have had to get under, around or over one of Trayvons legs, under his jacket if it hadn't ridden up during the physical fight to reach his gun right? The story goes GZ couldn't dislodge or stop Trayvon any other way, but that would mean Trayvons legs were tight against GZ right? I would think the most logical place to straddle a person would be around the stomach/waist?

So how did GZ, who supposedly couldn't dislodge Trayvon, get his hand under, over or around a fighting person on top of him as well as under this jacket to reach his gun? What am I missing here?

Thank you for posting this. These same questions have been coming to my mind as well.