17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #27

[cityslick]

And who can dispute that "enhanced" image? No one knows the real extent of GZ's injuries to say it's accurate or not. IMO, it was irresponsible to put that picture out there.

I think it was put out there because you had folks saying it was a fact that he had no injuries whatsoever based on the original video. For the same reason as you say, no one knows the real extent of GZ's injuries, but yet that wasn't stopping people from proclaiming he had no injuries based on the original video.

 

[SuziQ]

I think if was an actual alteration, where someone painted red on his head or a bruise of some sort and then it turns out he never had any injury back there, the credibility of that news agency (ABC?) goes down the drain, forever. That's a lot of money at stake for someone to alter a photo so they can 'push' the story a certain way.

Why can't it just be acknowledged that he may have a bruise back there instead of conspiracy theorying that a major news organization doctored the image? Just because there may have been a fight and he got injured in a fight doesn't necessarily mean he was justified in shooting.

Well I'm not saying the doctoring was intentional. But I know for a fact that playing around with pics can change the content in favor of or against what you are trying to acheive with editing. A major news agency does not take a ding like you think. They do what NBC did. They offer up an apology and fire a couple of employees and life goes on. Saw that alot in the Anthony case.

 

[PaintingAnemone]

He wouldn't have to ask him if he already knew.

That's true. I had only really thought about it before in the abstract, but now I wonder how much consideration they really gave Zimmerman as someone they "knew" - benefit of the doubt, lack of certain details on the incident report, making certain allowances in how they treated him during his detainment, etc.
I mean, they must have already been somewhat familiar with him from numerous other situations, considering how often he called the authorities, right? Would the officers even bother to re-question him or take note of it on the report if there were points they already took for granted as known? That's slipshod police work, for sure, but still possible, no?

 

[gxm]

And who can dispute that "enhanced" image? No one knows the real extent of GZ's injuries to say it's accurate or not. IMO, it was irresponsible to put that picture out there.

I agree and feel the same way about much of this case. The reporting has been atrocious, reactionary, and not in the least bit investigative. The state of today's "journalism" is a source of great sadness, as well as near endless misinformation.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[SuziQ]

I think it was put out there because you had folks saying it was a fact that he had no injuries whatsoever based on the original video. For the same reason as you say, no one knows the real extent of GZ's injuries, but yet that wasn't stopping people from proclaiming he had no injuries based on the original video.

Well I'm more likely to believe an undoctored video than I am a pic that has been messed with in any way.

 

[annalia]

The photo is enhanced but I'm leaning to there at least being a mark or bruise of some sort back there because a) it shows in the enhanced photo and b) the officers attention was drawn to the back of his head in the beginning of the video.

How do red streaks suddenly appear out of nowhere and only on one side and at a specific spot of his head? It should be all over his head if it's just a question of color saturation.

BBM

The same way that we see the darker redness on only certain spots of the police officer?

Point is, that picture was presented and taken as fact and as gospel that it showed serious injuries on GZ.

I'm just saying there is something wrong with that picture. I find the whole picture hinky. I've never said that someone intentionally photoshopped it. But for me there's no denying something is wrong with that photo. If someone wants to ignore all of that, that's their right to do so, I'm not here to convince anyone, I'm giving my opinion based on what my own eyes can easily and plainly see.

JMHO


JMHO

 

[Emma Peel]

Question:

Who drives around with a registered loaded weapon, sees a suspect, calls LE for back-up, and then goes after that suspect knowing back-up will be there shortly?

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That's right. TV cops.

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I'm thinking that this is the theory where the prosecution's "depraved" definition comes from.

Stepping back from all the details and look at this moment when all critical decisions were made by the defendant - that's what we've got. GZ deeply involved in fantasy thinking. He had an insane mindset, which led to his depraved behavior.

No one thinking sanely behaves this way. The threat was not real. The perceived threat (robbery) was not life threatening to GZ.

(Not to mention, it's not legal to take the law into your own hands and take chase with your loaded weapon.)

The prosecution's argument might be this theory. What happened here was insanity.
Self-defense can't be argued. Not in that state of mind, with all the GZ aggression involved, with the 911 taped evidence of that state of mind.

Which makes it appropriate to argue Murder 2, even if the evidence shows GZ sustained injuries from Trayvon's hands.

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Just noodlin'

:cow:

 

[gxm]

I've never understand the focus on whether or not any injuries are evident in the original video. I wouldn't expect to be able to see them. The videos are blurry and too far away to really see anything. Besides, bruising won't start to show till later.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[Concerned Papa]

I think if was an actual alteration, where someone painted red on his head or a bruise of some sort and then it turns out he never had any injury back there, the credibility of that news agency (ABC?) goes down the drain, forever. That's a lot of money at stake for someone to alter a photo so they can 'push' the story a certain way.

Why can't it just be acknowledged that he may have a bruise back there instead of conspiracy theorying that a major news organization doctored the image? Just because there may have been a fight and he got injured in a fight doesn't necessarily mean he was justified in shooting.

BBM

I can't speak for anyone else but that word "enhanced" slows me down considerably, particularlly since I see NOTHING prior to the "enhancement".

If he's really got some type of injury, why all the smoke and mirrors? All these self made pictures discussed here yesterday are an example. If this guy had any injuries why not bring out the 8 x 10 glossies? Show me simple photographic evidence of his getting the crap beat out of him, and you're gonna take a whole lot of wind out of my sails. I don't think I'm alone in that regard.

Quit telling me mentally insulting versions of what you say happened. Simply show me a couple of pictures that prove it, and I might just go *poof*. You see, unlike some of the others, I don't have a big problem with the SYG law as it was intended, but don't try and make it stretch to "Chase Your Ground and Take My Word For It".

That dog won't hunt.

 

[Adrienne37]

Well I'm more likely to believe an undoctored video than I am a pic that has been messed with in any way.

I agree. I think the video more than speaks for itself and no news agency should have tried to enhance anything on it just as no one should have attempted to enhance the racial slur or the 911 tape. That's irresponsible journalism. It's more than apparent from the video that there are no injuries on Zimmerman anywhere nor is there any wetness of his jacket, blood stains on him, grass on him, etc.. The way the police handled him, frisking him without gloves speaks volumes because there is no way they would have set themselves up for contamination. I've seen all I need to see regarding Zimmerman's injuries or lack thereof.


~jmo~

 

[gxm]

Question:

Who drives around with a registered loaded weapon, sees a suspect, calls LE for back-up, and then goes after that suspect knowing back-up will be there shortly?

******************

That's right. TV cops.

***********************************

I'm thinking that this is the theory where the prosecution's "depraved" definition comes from.

Stepping back from all the details and look at this moment when all critical decisions were made by the defendant - that's what we've got. GZ deeply involved in fantasy thinking. He had an insane mindset, which led to his depraved behavior.

No one thinking sanely behaves this way. The threat was not real. The perceived threat (robbery) was not life threatening to GZ.

(Not to mention, it's not legal to take the law into your own hands and take chase with your loaded weapon.)

The prosecution's argument might be this theory. What happened here was insanity.
Self-defense can't be argued. Not in that state of mind, with all the GZ aggression involved, with the 911 taped evidence of that state of mind.

Which makes it appropriate to argue Murder 2, even if the evidence shows GZ sustained injuries from Trayvon's hands.

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Just noodlin'

:cow:

But if the prosecution argues that GZ is insane, doesn't that leave them open for any insanity defense? Especially the fantasy element. If GZ's mind was in TV cop land, his defense could claim he didn't know right from wrong, because he was so deeply entrenched in the fantasy that he thought what he was doing was right.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[m00c0w]

I almost wish Steft50 hadn't made this post last night. Now I'm hung up on trying to understand how someone on the bottom.....

getting brutally beaten.....brains smashed on the sidewalk.....loosing consciousness .....short of breath.....and swallowing his own blood.....could ever reach into the waist on the INSIDE of his britches.....that his attacker is sitting on.....

draw out his little gun.....

and shoot his attacker in the chest, killing him.

I just don't get it.

Martin was tall. There might have been a sizable gap underneath him if he was not in a proper mount position. Also, if Martin was sitting on the gun, he probably would have realized it. If I were in his position, I'd try to grab it before Zimmerman could use it on me.

JMO

 

[Isabelle]

He wouldn't have to ask him if he already knew.

Agree, I think GZ may have had some buds at SPD.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Martin was tall. There might have been a sizable gap underneath him if he was not in a proper mount position. Also, if Martin was sitting on the gun, he probably would have realized it. If I were in his position, I'd try to grab it before Zimmerman could use it on me.

JMO

If he wasn't in the proper mount position what was holding Zimmerman down?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I agree. I think the video more than speaks for itself and no news agency should have tried to enhance anything on it just as no one should have attempted to enhance the racial slur or the 911 tape. That's irresponsible journalism. It's more than apparent from the video that there are no injuries on Zimmerman anywhere nor is there any wetness of his jacket, blood stains on him, grass on him, etc.. The way the police handled him, frisking him without gloves speaks volumes because there is no way they would have set themselves up for contamination. I've seen all I need to see regarding Zimmerman's injuries or lack thereof.


~jmo~

The racial slur or lack of one was examined by a voice expert.

What about when the media paid a voice expert (the same one I do believe) to tell us it was Trayvon screaming?
Was that irresponsible journalism as well?

 

[Adrienne37]

Rick Scott announces task force to explore 'stand your ground,' public safety laws

Said Scott in a statement: "The purpose of the Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection is to thoroughly review Florida Statute Chapter 776 and any other laws, rules, regulations or programs that relate to public safety and citizen protection. They will make any necessary recommendations to the Governor and Legislature to improve public safety in Florida.

"We are a nation of laws, and I am committed to letting our legal system work to ensure the people of in our state are safe and protected. I have the utmost confidence that Lt. Gov. Carroll and Reverend Holmes are the best people to lead the review of Florida's citizen safety laws."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...plore-stand-your-ground-public-safety/1225831

 

[m00c0w]

Why would he leave out a statement like that if George made it?

Police generally request identification at the scene. It may have been produced when Zimmerman produced his identification. I'm not sure why it would be mentioned in the report when it's a non-issue. It's not a crime, nor is it an element of the crime.

 

[m00c0w]

If he wasn't in the proper mount position what was holding Zimmerman down?

Punches to the face?

 

[gxm]

Martin was tall. There might have been a sizable gap underneath him if he was not in a proper mount position. Also, if Martin was sitting on the gun, he probably would have realized it. If I were in his position, I'd try to grab it before Zimmerman could use it on me.

JMO

And we don't know if TM was actually sitting on him. He could have just been bent over him. Or in the process of getting up, IIRC the one witness had shouted something about calling 911 so TM could have been distracted or may have decided to get off GZ and scram before the cops got there. IMO, given that they were somewhat evenly matched, I've always assumed they were rolling around. I think there is a good possibility that they were fighting over control of the gun. But that's just speculation on my part.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[rotterdam]

IDK. I question the whole report as far of it's accuracy.

I do too. The whole CYA started on the night of the shooting and was deliberated till the wee hours of the morning in order to make this case a solid SYG defense. And many assumptions about Trayvon/John Doe were made. Like just a transient disposable black kid with probably a record for robbery/drug use.
Mr Tracy Martin threw in a big monkey wrench early the next morning.
And Trayvon turned out to be an average kid with average parents plus a clean record that had every right to be there since he was staying in one of the town houses.
The re enactment was done that same day with Mr GZ Sr present but not Mr Martin. And GZ packed up and left town that same day. Wonder if that decision was made after mr. Martin came forward and Trayvon was identified.
Since by then a big stink could be expected and the previous concocted story could not be reversed anymore. They were stuck with it. .

All IMO.