17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #27

[Adrienne37]

Well, I certainly hope that Trayvon's family will be allowed to attend the bond hearing if they so desire. If Zimmerman's family gets the opportunity to speak on his behalf, then I believe Trayvon's family should have the right to speak on his behalf. I don't want this half-baked loose cannon roaming the streets while he's awaiting trial. Trayvon is in a mausoleum right now thanks to Zimmerman and the least the judge can do is to keep him locked up in his little cell.


~jmo~

 

[mercuriod]

Don't worry, this is what Zimmerman's lawyer is talking about. Not what you normally think of as an apology.

a·pol·o·gy
   [uh-pol-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun, plural a·pol·o·gies.
1.
a written or spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another: He demanded an apology from me for calling him a crook.
2.
a defense, excuse, or justification in speech or writing, as for a cause or doctrine.
3.
( initial capital letter, italics ) a dialogue by Plato, centering on Socrates' defense before the tribunal that condemned him to death.
4.
an inferior specimen or substitute; makeshift: The tramp wore a sad apology for a hat.

Nah, I think the BBM is what he meant:

4.
an inferior specimen or substitute; makeshift: The tramp wore a sad apology for a hat.

 

[gxm]

If the family can afford to post bond for GZ, then WHY are the citizens of Florida expected to pay for the cost of his attorney(s) ????


jmo

I'm guessing because his family is not legally obligated to pay for his attorney as he's an adult.

 

[lauriej]

I haven't been able to keep up with this case for a few days and don't know if this has been discussed on the threads. With GZ's bond hearing scheduled for tomorrow morning, I would like to know why his attorney insists that the bond amount should be reasonable so that his family can afford to get Zimmerman released from jail.

I can give two examples (both in Michigan) of bonds that would in no way be "affordable" for the families of the respective inmates: 1) John Skelton who is being held on $30million bond for parental kidnapping of his three young sons, and 2) D'Andre Lane who is being held on $3million bond for child abuse and the murder of his 2-year-old daughter whose body has not been recovered. Skelton was an unemployed truck driver with a house in foreclosure when his sons disappeared. D'Andre Lane spent time behind bars and hasn't had much in the way of work experience. Living in Detroit, I rather doubt that Lane has relatives who can come up with the funds to bond him out of jail. In both cases, the bonds were determined by the severity of the crime and not whether or not the families of these "fathers" could afford to get them out of jail.

Why would a judge have to determine that the bond amount for Zimmerman should be based on what his family can afford? GZ is charged with second degree murder in the death of an unarmed teenager. Who's to say that he would not do something rash again if he is released from jail until trial? :waitasec:

--exactly---and what's this "legal fund" o'mara mentions?

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...s/articles/cfn/2012/4/18/trayvon_martin_judge

We will continue to see that system at work with Zimmerman's bond hearing, scheduled for Friday. If he does receive bond, O'Mara said there are questions about Zimmerman's family's ability to pay. He said they are a family of modest means, but a legal fund would be set up to assist with those.

 

[gxm]

Well, I certainly hope that Trayvon's family will be allowed to attend the bond hearing if they so desire. If Zimmerman's family gets the opportunity to speak on his behalf, then I believe Trayvon's family should have the right to speak on his behalf. I don't want this half-baked loose cannon roaming the streets while he's awaiting trial. Trayvon is in a mausoleum right now thanks to Zimmerman and the least the judge can do is to keep him locked up in his little cell.


~jmo~

He won't be roaming the streets. He'll be in hiding.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't know. I've seen various weights given/assumed for both. IMO, GZ is much smaller than I expected him to be. And TM was much taller than GZ. If GZ's story is true that he was sucker punched, then I could see him being down on the ground at one point, but being able to roll/wrestle his way on top. IMO, if they were even fighting, it was probably give and take.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

Not to mention, the less weight you carry, the quicker you are.
And, the difference in arm span makes a huge difference in a fight.

JMO

 

[rotterdam]

I don't know, maybe they wouldn't be as convincing in person ? we've seen R.Zimmerman jr. in person but not Sr., perhaps they don't want to be followed or seen by the press ?

RZ Sr has gone to extremes to keep his face from being recognized in his TV silhouette appearances. I guess the same would apply to any court hearing.

 

[cityslick]

It was confirmed by those two lawyers he had? I don't know if that means much? :floorlaugh:

Which on my chart of credible people to believe, they are fairly low, probably at the bottom. IMO those two lawyers know as much about anything as anyone on here.

 

[gxm]

I will be stunned if GZ's bond is lower than $500,000 and his family finds the cash for it. I really don't see him being out on the street anytime soon. But I've been wrong before.

 

[cityslick]

George's lawyer confirmed it at the time and it is still there. With all the different LE looking at this case I don't think they would allow a crook to continue collecting money under George's name.

Sure they can, it's called a scam. The internet is full of them. Just google the word 'Casey Anthony'.

 

[francie]

Because the dispatcher told him "we don't need you to do that"…?

Then how did George end up so far away from his truck, at the spot he gunned down Trayvon?

:moo:

 

[gxm]

Which on my chart of credible people to believe, they are fairly low, probably at the bottom. IMO those two lawyers know as much about anything as anyone on here.

BBM.
My money's on them knowing less!

 

[cityslick]

Great questions and one I would like to ask as well - Zimmerman has been declared indigent by the state, therefore, O'Mara's attorney fees will be paid. If Zimmerman is indigent, how is he going to be able to post a bond and yes I realize that his family could post the bond for him; however, myself, as a tax payer in the state of Florida, it is rather disturbing to me that my hard earned tax money is going to pay for this dude's defense yet he is allowed to roam free on bond. If he can't afford his own attorney, he shouldn't be able to afford his bond.


~jmo~

While I don't disagree with you, if it were like that, most defendants wouldn't get bond (everyone with a public defender for example).

 

[LolaMoon08]

Well, I certainly hope that Trayvon's family will be allowed to attend the bond hearing if they so desire. If Zimmerman's family gets the opportunity to speak on his behalf, then I believe Trayvon's family should have the right to speak on his behalf. I don't want this half-baked loose cannon roaming the streets while he's awaiting trial. Trayvon is in a mausoleum right now thanks to Zimmerman and the least the judge can do is to keep him locked up in his little cell.


~jmo~

I also don't think George should be out of jail. I think he's a loose cannon and anything at anytime can trigger his flawed thinking again.

I'm not worried about George's safety at all. I'm pretty sure that he can be well hidden. What I am worried about is the innocent people who will be around him unknowingly. It's been stated that George didn't like being in jail because he didn't know anyone (or something like that??). He won't know anyone in the neighborhood he'd be staying in either and we know how he gets around people he doesn't know?

I just don't think that it is fair to release him to be around other people. If he is released, I believe he should be put in some kind of facility so he can work on his issues that led to him being the person that shot and killed an innocent kid.

MOO

 

[lauriej]

Well, I certainly hope that Trayvon's family will be allowed to attend the bond hearing if they so desire. If Zimmerman's family gets the opportunity to speak on his behalf, then I believe Trayvon's family should have the right to speak on his behalf. I don't want this half-baked loose cannon roaming the streets while he's awaiting trial. Trayvon is in a mausoleum right now thanks to Zimmerman and the least the judge can do is to keep him locked up in his little cell.


~jmo~

--also, i hope the 1st thing the state asks for is a psych eval.

--we've heard non stop from his 'friends'/family/attorneys about his mental state---suffering PTSD, insomnia, depression, freaked out in jail b/c he's 'exposed to people he doesn't know'... ETC.

--seriously, i would want him declared mentally FIT before even thinking about letting him out in public ,whether he can make bond or not.

 

[rotterdam]

If the family can afford to post bond for GZ, then WHY are the citizens of Florida expected to pay for the cost of his attorney(s) ????


jmo

GZ was declared indigent, not his family. His family is not responsible for his court costs. I assume if his parents were millionaires which I do not think they are, GZ could still be declared indigent

 

[Adrienne37]

He won't be roaming the streets. He'll be in hiding.

He'll be in a much better place than where Trayon is at right now.



~jmo~

 

[Gin]

Not to mention, the less weight you carry, the quicker you are.
And, the difference in arm span makes a huge difference in a fight.

JMO

JMO/IMO
I don't buy the terrible fight to prevent depends dependence.
But, for sake of discussion:
I believe the slightly shorter, but heavier and wider man would have by far the major advantage with his low center of gravity.
Being a tall slender kid isn't a real help in this kind of imaginary match.

Think of how wrestlers are built.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Sure they can, it's called a scam. The internet is full of them. Just google the word 'Casey Anthony'.

Do you really think George's lawyer now would let that website stand if it wasn't George's?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

He'll be in a much better place than where Trayon is at right now.



~jmo~

Although I agree Trayvon died way too early, I disagree with you that being in hiding on Earth is a better place than being in Heaven.

Just a personal opinion.