17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #27

[francie]

Okay, why is it of great importance (can you make the distinction between this and necessity, please?), to document a permit that is held by the owner? It's in the state database. He's not breaking any laws by having it. The permit is not an element of the crime that took place, nor is it really materially relevant if the person is in possession of it... Why should it be mentioned in the police report? If there was any question to it at a later date, it's recorded in a statewide database.

Isn’t it illegal to carry a loaded gun without a permit? Wouldn’t police need to know if he had a permit so as not to charge him for that crime? Wouldn’t police be remiss if they didn’t account for the gun George used to kill an unarmed teen with, so they’d need to verify that it did belong to George & he was carrying legally? And if they verified he was carrying legally, wouldn’t they note that they took the time to do so on the police report? Or did they already know he had a permit to carry because they knew him from all of his previous calls-(false alarms jmo)? :waitasec:

:moo:

 

[cityslick]

He'll be in a much better place than where Trayon is at right now.



~jmo~

He's in a much better place now than where TM is. He is alive, TM is not.

 

[csziggy]

But it was on the books on the night this happened. That's all that matters in THIS case.

They may change or get rid of SYG, but it won't change it for this case. And that's my point.

If during the process of this case a court says SYG is unconstitutional according to either the state constitution or the US Constitution, then it will change for this case.

IANAL, though. JMO, IMO, etc.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Do you really think George's lawyer now would let that website stand if it wasn't George's?

I'm pretty sure that it is his website. I would think that Mr. O'Mara would have released a statement indicating that it was not George's website if it was not.

MOO

 

[saguaro]

It was confirmed by those two lawyers he had? I don't know if that means much? :floorlaugh:

I wonder if they ever represented him.

There's probably a good story there.

 

[Donjeta]

GZ would look like a nicer guy imo if the website wasn't his but Zimmerman's former lawyers confirmed that the website is his. Imo it requires a little too much mental twisting to make it a scam.

 

[gxm]

Then how did George end up so far away from his truck, at the spot he gunned down Trayvon?

:moo:

I have never understood this question. Who knows? I'm not even sure where his truck was. It's been shown in several positions, one rather close to the shooting IMO. Perhaps, he went the wrong way by mistake and was trying to get his bearings. Or he decided to take the long way back, after all he likes to watch his neighborhood. IMO, it's TM who was not where he should have been time and distance-wise if he was trying to avoid GZ and heading home quickly, which is why I'm inclined to believe that GZ came upon him accidentally, after he'd already given up any chase.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

JMO/IMO
I don't buy the terrible fight to prevent depends dependence.
But, for sake of discussion:
I believe the slightly shorter, but heavier and wider man would have by far the major advantage with his low center of gravity.
Being a tall slender kid isn't a real help in this kind of imaginary match.

Think of how wrestlers are built.

I refuse to discuss diapers or depends since GZ did not make that claim.

But, I will go with you on the sake of discussion:

Have you ever watched boxing?
From what I have heard, this was a punch throwing fight. Not really a wrestling match.

One of the biggest advantages is arm reach. Plain and simple.

And 40 pounds less weight and longer legs would make a fellow like Trayvon much quicker in this imaginary or real match.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I'm pretty sure that it is his website. I would think that Mr. O'Mara would have released a statement indicating that it was not George's website if it was not.

MOO

GoDaddy and Paypal would shut that down in a minute if George's lawyer told them it was not him. It is major fraud.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I wonder if they ever represented him.

There's probably a good story there.

Even they think he's a loose cannon -- the things they said about George's erratic behavior should make any Judge pause before releasing him!

MOO

 

[cityslick]

Do you really think George's lawyer now would let that website stand if it wasn't George's?

GZ's lawyer has better and more important things to worry about than to ambulance chase some internet nobody trying to scam people into giving money based on pretending to be GZ.

My only point is just because it has GZ's name attached to it doesn't automatically make it GZ's. And because the only verification is two people who IMO were never directly involved with this case anyway, doesn't prove anything either.

 

[LolaMoon08]

GoDaddy and Paypal would shut that down in a minute if George's lawyer told them it was not him. It is major fraud.

It's his... which makes me feel like a stupid person for ever having any kind of compassion for him, as I thought that he may really be remorseful for what he did. But nope!

MOO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If during the process of this case a court says SYG is unconstitutional according to either the state constitution or the US Constitution, then it will change for this case.

IANAL, though. JMO, IMO, etc.

Since, UANAL, do you have a link where you got that information?

 

[raeann]

Not to mention, the less weight you carry, the quicker you are.
And, the difference in arm span makes a huge difference in a fight.

JMO

INTERESTING, then, that wrestlers and boxers are divided by WEIGHT class, never by the length of their arm spans.......

jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

GZ was declared indigent, not his family. His family is not responsible for his court costs. I assume if his parents were millionaires which I do not think they are, GZ could still be declared indigent

Has the court declared GZ indigent? All I can find is Mark O'Mara saying that he is.

Speaking with media after Thursday’s hearing, O’Mara said is not taking any legal fees for representing Zimmerman, whom O’Mara described as “indigent.’’

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/12/2744193/george-zimmerman-charged-with.html#storylink=cpy

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

When I heard the comment from O'Mara again today, I couldn't help thinking, WTF!?! We're not talking about college financial aid being based on the parent's ability to contribute to their child's education, for G-d's sake! We're talking about allowing a man who shot and killed someone to be given freedom while he awaits trial. Zimmerman doesn't deserve to be out of jail doing whatever he pleases. His bond should fit the crime and not be determined by what his family can or cannot afford. :moo:

 

[cityslick]

GoDaddy and Paypal would shut that down in a minute if George's lawyer told them it was not him. It is major fraud.

It would just be nice to have some other verification other than the two guys who called themselves 'his lawyers' when in reality they were never of the sort.

 

[Donjeta]

GZ's lawyer has better and more important things to worry about than to ambulance chase some internet nobody trying to scam people into giving money based on pretending to be GZ.

My only point is just because it has GZ's name attached to it doesn't automatically make it GZ's. And because the only verification is two people who IMO were never directly involved with this case anyway, doesn't prove anything either.

Is there something objectionable in the content of that website that makes it necessary to explain it away as someone else's handiwork?

 

[LolaMoon08]

GZ's lawyer has better and more important things to worry about than to ambulance chase some internet nobody trying to scam people into giving money based on pretending to be GZ.

My only point is just because it has GZ's name attached to it doesn't automatically make it GZ's. And because the only verification is two people who IMO were never directly involved with this case anyway, doesn't prove anything either.

The things that were posted and the picture that was used on that website... you better believe Mr. O'Mara would be screaming from the rooftops that it was not George's website. That website is disgusting!

MOO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

INTERESTING, then, that wrestlers and boxers are divided by WEIGHT class, never by the length of their arm spans.......

jmo

There are many advantages in many sports.

How they are divided means little to appreciate what all advantages are.

When you see the boxers fact sheets before a fight, arm reach is on there because IT MATTERS. It matters a lot.