17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #28

[suzihawk]

:CYA: all later...got to get grocery shopping done...

I suspect the evidence uncovered during the autopsy, the crime scene...the State has more than we know...

He never stated he was sorry before today to the police...it should be recorded if stated..GZ is fairly certain he said it..

Thanks, LLL, for the good reporting for those of us that couldn't see it live. Much appreciated!

 

[dsntslp]

Then I'd have even more questions since, unless I'm badly mistaken, we've been told the bullet didn't exit the body.

Yes, I am referring to any blowback, that may have been on the front of the hoodie, that would correlate to the point of entry.

 

[uvamerica]

I can't see his hands. Maybe they were cuffed in the front? I'm guessing this photo was taken right before or as LE arrived on the scene. (Just a guess.)

If you look at the pic http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg


GZ is talking on his cell phone, you can see the top of the cell phone at his right ear. So he obviously isn't hand cuffed in this pic.

 

[octobermoon]

Okay this is only my opinion, but I think, think imo I know why this new pic looks hinky to me. If this happened before EMS arrived, before medical care it looks staged. His head was bashed, banged into the ground and the blood, wounds minutes after aren't smeared? No evidence of GZ grabbing the back of his head in pain? Not natural, but what do I know ?

 

[Gin]

I don't think anyone has really said they didn't believe George had injuries, but I think people are really shocked that they are not as bad as they had claimed to be. Nothing near what we have heard from his friends and family.

Anywho -- My stance has always been I wished that Trayvon would have slammed his head so hard against the concrete that it knocked him unconscious. But he didn't! And he is dead! There is very little doubt in my mind that both George and Trayvon were wrestling over the gun that George brought into this and George's head was not slammed against the cement, but his head was scraping against the cement as the two struggled.

MOO

JMO/IMO
Maybe it's just my OJT time as a mother, but those marks don't look like scrapes from cement at all. Cement scrapes (even small ones) are wider and not precise like those little scrapes.

Now, could those marks be from a dying murder victim's fingernails?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It is VERY easy to change the creation date and time!

Ok, but it appears to me that is it accurate.

IMO it is GZ's head.
IMO it is in the condition LE stated it was in when they arrived.
IMO he is wearing the same jacket. Wasn't that jacket taken as evidence?
IMO this photo was taken at the scene, he is bleeding, it is authentic.

 

[cityslick]

Although I agree there was a struggle, how do we know that during GZ's chase of Trayvon, GZ didn't trip and fall and smash his own head on the pavement?

There is always an alternative for every "fact" that one wants to portray as fact. (Not directed at you, just in general)

Don't know, outside of the timeline being so tight is there enough time to allow for that. That would of had to happened before TM's girlfriend heard 'what are you doing here'?

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

It was not forced on them.
They were not forced to listen to it.

And they have said they wanted a public apology. Nothing more public than a hearing with live feed nation wide.

I learned something a long time ago in therapy. We sometimes grow angry because people don't word/say things the way we think they should. What we really should look at is the fact that the person tried.

I'm glad GZ tried his best to apologize Trayvon's family. I understand that no two people will agree that his words were "right" or "genuine". He did try, though. For that I am glad. I hope this starts some healing for Trayvon's and Zimmerman's family.

It's not up to me to accept GZ's apology. I will leave that to the Martins.

 

[katydid23]

If you look at the pic http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg


GZ is talking on his cell phone, you can see the top of the cell phone at his right ear. So he obviously isn't hand cuffed in this pic.

If he was cuffed in the front then he could still use the cell phone.

 

[tehcloser]

I find it interesting that the pic was even taken.....someone was worried about proof that quick????????????

 

[cityslick]

On the right you can see his arm and cell phone.

That arm looks blue. I thought it was a black and red jacket?

ETA: NM, I see the cell phone. The fastest way this gets verified is if his cell record shows a call being made by his phone at the timestamp.

 

[LolaMoon08]

JMO/IMO
Maybe it's just my OJT time as a mother, but those marks don't look like scrapes from cement at all. Cement scrapes (even small ones) are wider and not precise like those little scrapes.

Now, could those marks be from a dying murder victim's fingernails?

Ohhhhhhhhhhh!! Maybe??

 

[SuziQ]

Good for him for apologizing. Of course that is somehow seen as a bad thing now...

IDK, Why should someone accept or feel good about an apology that has a lie in it? Or maybe my standards are too high?

 

[Inabsentia]

I have suspected all along that George got out of his truck intending to catch one of those a**holes, slipped on the wet grass and got up hurt and p***ed. I think any rationality he started out with flew out the window at that point. I have never believed the lethal head-smashing bill we are being sold, and I believe it less with every new disclosure. Did Trayvon punch him in the snout at some point? I don't know, but I hope so. Killing a kid shouldn't come easy. Moo

 

[gxm]

Then you can understand what I am speaking to..repeated head bashing causes alot of surrounding tissue damages..and they bleed like stink and require pressure bandages..Dont know why, but I keep getting the image of georgie the wanna be cop on a mission running thru the grass, wet slippery grass with phone to his ear..and running into something or slipping and going head over heels knocking his head on local landscaping materials..LOL Which only served to fuel his rage even more!! :laugh:

And of course we know how well George deals with rage :rocker:

BBM.

This is just not true. I was the victim of assault and had my head repeatedly slammed into a hard floor. My head wounds did not bleed and, because of my long hair, the painful lumps were not visible to others.

 

[mercuriod]

Not from a smartphone.
It's all part of the data thing-a-ma-jiggy-bob. :smile: I don't know the correct term.

Oh, YES the metadata absolutely CAN be changed on a smartphone, extremely EASY to do.

 

[PaperDoll]

This head injury that GZ has, could possibly be from TM defending HIMSELF from his attacker. This bears repeating in case the prosecutors are here reading this..lol :crazy: TM isn't here to tell his side of the story and I bet his story is totally different than GZ..

 

[katydid23]

Okay this is only my opinion, but I think, think imo I know why this new pic looks hinky to me. If this happened before EMS arrived, before medical care it looks staged. His head was bashed, banged into the ground and the blood, wounds minutes after aren't smeared? No evidence of GZ grabbing the back of his head in pain? Not natural, but what do I know ?

Didnt one of the witnesses say he was grabbing his head the first thing after he stood up?

 

[deelytful1]

But why wasn't George handcuffed? Police say they held George at gunpoint and handcuffed him. He is not handcuffed in this photograph?

Don't know if anyone answered...
This pic took place prior to the police showing up...

 

[Kimberlyd125]

But he's been arrested so in the yes of the law he is the "alleged murderer" (2nd degree!) and Trayvon is the victim

Ok. I will try to explain this again.

I said IF.
I never said he IS a victim.

If this was self defense... if the evidence shows (future) that it was self defense... GZ would be a victim.

That's all I said.

I'm not understanding why this is an issue.