17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #29

[m00c0w]

Why would it be difficult? If he were hitting himself with his feet, maybe. But, his hands? I am confused as to why it would be difficult to hit himself on the head unless his arms were unusually short. JMO

Merely hitting yourself on the back of the head, no. Twisting your wrist so that you can hit yourself with the barrel of a gun, yeah. It's a silly contortion that makes no sense as a natural "WTF did I do" reaction.

 

[chefmom]

Merely hitting yourself on the back of the head, no. Twisting your wrist so that you can hit yourself with the barrel of a gun, yeah. It's a silly contortion that makes no sense as a natural "WTF did I do" reaction.

No, I don't think he would be foolish enough to hit himself with the barrel of a loaded handgun. But the butt or the metal fittings on the side is another story.

 

[m00c0w]

No, I don't think he would be foolish enough to hit himself with the barrel of a loaded handgun. But the butt or the metal fittings on the side is another story.

I could see a butt being more likely, but no witnesses that have come forward so far have reported seeing him with a gun, period. It doesn't seem likely that he was walking around beating himself on the head with a gun and the numerous witnesses didn't notice (especially the two women that insist they were right there immediately after it happened).

 

[TonyGatto]

I could see a butt being more likely, but no witnesses that have come forward so far have reported seeing him with a gun, period. It doesn't seem likely that he was walking around beating himself on the head with a gun and the numerous witnesses didn't notice (especially the two women that insist they were right there immediately after it happened).

At this point there are witnesses watching what's going on. Not likely he hit himself in the back of the head. But, more importantly, those wounds look like punctures, blood is not smeared, meaning it's not going to jibe with the banging his head on the concrete.

 

[Reader]

Excerpts from Zimmerman's apology, testimony

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/2...s-apology.html

De la Rionda: And tell me, after you committed this crime and you spoke to the police, did you ever make that statement to the police sir, that you were sorry for what you'd done or their loss?

Zimmerman: No sir.

De la Rionda: You never stated that did you?

Zimmerman: I don't remember what I said. I believe I did state that.

Just look how GZ gets twisted around in this simple exchange with the prosecutor.

It was only a bond hearing today and GZ may think he scored big since he did get bond.

Can't wait until they are really grilling him at the SYG hearing or trial...he won't remember which way is up! He'll be a perfect witness for the prosecution!

 

[m00c0w]

Excerpts from Zimmerman's apology, testimony

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/2...s-apology.html




Just look how GZ gets twisted around in this simple exchange with the prosecutor.

It was only a bond hearing today and GZ may think he scored big since he did get bond.

Can't wait until they are really grilling him at the SYG hearing or trial...he won't remember which way is up! He'll be a perfect witness for the prosecution!

That doesn't seem nearly as bad as the lead investigator that doesn't know how half the stuff got in the document he swore to and signed. What I found interesting is that he swore that certain testimony was accurate when he admitted on the stand he never went over that testimony.

JMO

 

[Just K]

Merely hitting yourself on the back of the head, no. Twisting your wrist so that you can hit yourself with the barrel of a gun, yeah. It's a silly contortion that makes no sense as a natural "WTF did I do" reaction.

Whatever part of the gun that is in the palm of his hand would work, too.

 

[claudicici]

IMO that pic is photo shopped,doesn't look like any blood pattern I've ever seen,in the rain at that.....but whatever it wouldn't make a difference to me....to the ones asking what would it take for me personally to believe gz acted in self defense?There's NOTHING,IMO he lost his right to act in self defense when he got out of his vehicle armed chasing Trayvon,even if Zimmerman would have ended up dead it would have been Travon's right to stand his ground....IMO

 

[impatientredhead]

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_36

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_120

One of Romine's cases is a prime example. In 2008, his client, Charles Podany, noticed a truck speeding past his house in Thonotosassa, where his children play in the front yard. Podany fetched his handgun and rode his bicycle down the street to the house where the truck was parked to get a license plate number.

He found himself in a confrontation with Casey Landes, 24, who had been a passenger in the truck. Landes, legally drunk, attacked the smaller Podany and wound up on top of him. Podany drew his weapon and fired twice. The second bullet entered Landes' left cheek and struck the back of his skull, killing him instantly.

Podany was charged with manslaughter. But before trial, a judge ruled that despite initiating the confrontation by arming himself and riding his bicycle to the speeder's house, Podany was in a place he had a legal right to be and he was carrying a weapon he had a legal right to carry. He found that Podany feared for his life and had the right to defend himself with deadly force.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...ts-those-who-go-far-beyond-that-point/1222930

 

[CathyinTexas]

Wish we had a poll, it would be interesting to known if anyone has changed their views one way or the other or gone on the fence since this mornings hearing.

Doubt it but still curious.

I haven't changed my views. I still believe that GZ is arrogant, manipulative, and deceptive and I do not believe any of his stories of what happened. The thing that bothers me the most of what he said is that he said that the cries of terror were his.

 

[Dr. Know?]

That doesn't seem nearly as bad as the lead investigator that doesn't know how half the stuff got in the document he swore to and signed. What I found interesting is that he swore that certain testimony was accurate when he admitted on the stand he never went over that testimony.JMO

He possibly, didn't know. He didn't blow the case, he just might not have been informed yet. It's not blown yet. It's legal. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

He possibly, didn't know. He didn't blow the case, he just might not have been informed yet. It's not blown yet. It's legal. jmo

What do you mean? That was borderline perjury.

He signed an affidavit (the probable cause document), swearing/affirming that the girlfriend claimed certain things. On the stand (under oath), he said he never went over her testimony. How does he know that's what she claimed/asserted when he never reviewed her sworn testimony?

 

[CathyinTexas]

Have you listened to George's call to LE? Anywhere in that call where George told the dispatcher "The kid keeps circling my truck?" Nope!

From listening to the 911 tape I pictured it something like this. GZ was slowly following Trayvon as he walked through the front gate and walked toward his father's gf's apartment. TM realized a car was following and it scared him (per his conversation with his girlfriend) He may have leaned toward the car to see if he knew the person, and that is when GZ said yep, he's checking me out. I think anyone would look to see who was in a car that was driving slowly behind them, imo. I do not think Trayvon approached his car, and certainly don't think he circled it.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I wonder how many people carry those kind of bullets in their guns?? Like real responsible gun owners? The fact that he was carrying a loaded gun around the neighborhood is bad enough (IMO) but the fact that he had those kind of bullets makes it that much more disturbing. MOO

I think it might illustrate that he intended to kill SOMEONE with that gun, and it just happened to be Trayvon, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. JMO.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I don't know how he would have apologized to them around then. They had no contact at any time.

Well, his spokespeople, such as Oliver and Francis Taffee could have put it out there. But of course, I don't believe he was or is sorry and ever intended to apologize until MOM became his lawyer and MOM convinced him to do it. JMO

 

[CathyinTexas]

Of course he is....he loves the attention. JMO

I am late in this discussion tonight, but I wanted to say Nancy Grace surprised me tonight. She seemed to give Frank Taffee more respect (even though she cut his mic, lol) and less to Daryl, the Martins attorney. She was critical of the Prosecutor and said she felt sorry for GZ, hmmm. I wasn't swayed though, my opinion is still the same.

 

[impatientredhead]

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_133
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2717572/miami-dade-issues-ruling-in-stand.html

In this example the stabber pursued the victim over a block as the victim fled(victim was stealing his car radio), stabbed him, didn't call the police, went home and went to bed. Initially he hid the weapon, and denied the stabbing until he was shown a video of himself committing the act. After seeing the tape he claimed the victim was armed but later recanted his claim that the deadman was armed.

Between the time of the stabbing and his arrest the stabber himself had sold stolen radios the "victim" had with him when he died.

State charged him.
Judge gave immunity under stand your ground.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I wonder why Martin only ran around the truck 3 times? Why not 4?

 

[badme102]

I am late in this discussion tonight, but I wanted to say Nancy Grace surprised me tonight. She seemed to give Frank Taffee more respect (even though she cut his mic, lol) and less to Daryl, the Martins attorney. She was critical of the Prosecutor and said she felt sorry for GZ, hmmm. I wasn't swayed though, my opinion is still the same.

Yeah, well...NG was supportive of Ronald Cummings too. That tells me all I need to know about her.

It's all about the drama.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

A kid running around your truck 3 times you think you would guess his age good. Late teens, kid. He did guess it pretty good.