17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #29

[katydid23]

I bet if he'd apologised on or around 27 february, we wouldnt be discussing this and we might even see more posters with more sympathy towards GZ. I agree NOW he's damned if he does or damned if he doesnt but he wasnt on 26, 27, 28 etc february.

I don't know how he would have apologized to them around then. They had no contact at any time.

 

[annalia]

When those parents are not ready to hear that apology and have made that very clear -- and that same person, who on his own website has quotes that pretty much say he was a hero against evil --- yeah --- he spit in their faces!

Especially since we don't even know what George said about Tracy in this text message that was brought up today.

MOO

How many days has it been since the family rejected the meeting with GZ? Only a couple at most? They knew that the family rejected that meeting for a reason, and they knew that the family wasn't asking for a public apology. They twisted and used an interview of Sybrina's to their advantage.

JMHO

 

[Desdemona]

Does anyone else think GZ's injuries may have been caused by scratching himself? Seems to me the two witnesses saw him with his hands behind his head.

Behind his head? Do you mean the two female roommates? I can't find where a witness has said he was seen with his hand to the back of his head, but ICBW.


One roommate witness:

But the man, who by now had left the grass and was walking on the sidewalk, did seem worried, “with his hand up to his forehead,” the witness said.

http://fox8.com/2012/03/30/brother-medical-records-will-prove-george-zimmermans-story/


The other roommate witness:

“He started walking back and forth like three times with his hand on the head and kind of, he was walking like kind of confused."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

 

[LolaMoon08]

That would be the most common self-defense load. I'm sure you'd find most gun owners carry hollow points.

I'd even venture to call those that do not more irresponsible than those that do, because of the likelihood of "regular" ball ammo overpenetrating and unintentionally injuring or killing someone else.

Are those the type of bullets you carry in your gun? I know you are a responsible gun owner and I respect you for that (I remember the Zombie story :floorlaugh so I am just curious if those are the bullets you carry?

 

[Aedrys]

Just caught up!

Wow. Florida needs a reality show once GZ is out on bond since Florida now will then have TWO people in hiding. So who will be found first? I'd watch that show! I'd pay to watch that show!

Bad apology by GZ. Just terrible. How insincere and just shameful to spring it on the Martins like that. No means no except to GZ, apparently. No remorse. It's not a true apology just because he said it. Reminds me of Casey's apology to Amy H. It was hollow and entirely self serving. It's not a true apology if it's only meant to help yourself and not the person being apologized to.

I saw the pics of the back of his head, and it does look like he got hurt, but not like head bashing so much he'd be close to diapers to me. And what a depraved person to start taking pics like that right there. I'm actually glad we haven't seen any pictures surface of Trayvon's body. Some people are just sick and have to take those kind of pictures. And I LOVE how ABC is involved AGAIN. They should rename themselves CSC, Criminal Support Channel. I wonder if they shelled out as much as they did for Caylee's pictures?

I'm not liking MOM, but I can't say he's Baez yet. If he starts filing incomprehensible motions or does things like make the judge stop the trial for him to get a file, I might have to say he's equal to Baez. But not yet. He's done things in very poor taste, I agree. But he is not on Baez's level of incompetence just yet. I hope he never gets there because I can't take another trial or wait for a trial like Casey's. I just CAN'T.

So I wonder where George is going to hide. I hope he has to stay in State. I don't like the thought of him being allowed to live outside of the state. That worries me for me some reason. I am giggling that he has a curfew, though. I don't know why, but that makes me laugh. I guess it's because he won't be able to go out and patrol anymore, will he? Thank GOD for no firearms either.

And two flashlights on him that night? Well, I know what they usually say about not being able to find a certain part of the human anatomy with a flashlight and both hands...maybe he had two and still couldn't find it that night? He certainly wasn't using common sense and decency, or Trayvon would be still be alive, IMO.

Also, I could have sworn earlier I saw Padilla's name come up briefly when I checked in quickly earlier, but I didn't see it again as I was catching up just now. Please GOD tell me he's not getting involved!!!! If he does, this is becoming the CA case all over again more and more. Both certainly have the exact same type of families! Bring on the depositions! I guarantee they will mirror the A's for Morgan. Oh, this case. I am getting a headache and wanting wine already...

 

[shadowraiths]

I still need to catch up but I do have a question. How can anyone lie through their teeth like he just did when he "apologized" to the parents?!? ( link, emphasis added, mine )

Zimmerman said, “I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. And I did not know if he was armed or not.”​

And yet, from the 911 tape ( link, emphasis added, mine )

Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.​

Though, imho, his lie is rather telling from what appears to be his own justification pov. (i.e., I thought he was older, so that's why I shot him)

 

[TonyGatto]

I really don't care if GZ is sorry or not, if his apology was contrived or genuine. I just don't care.

 

[Desdemona]

Body language expert on HLN assesses GZ as controlled and full of suppressed anger.

I don't watch those shows. Just curious whether the same body language expert weighed in with an opinion about the anger/aggression level displayed by the Prosecutor. JMO

 

[curiousjo]

I am sure Trayvon fought for his life!

If someone were following me in a car, then got out followed me on foot - I would be very concerned and fearful - especially if I was a teen. Then, if they ran after me and confronted me with force and possibly brought out their gun - then I would figure this is life or death High danger! I would punch, kick, scratch, bite and yell to fight for my life!!!!!!!

Who cares if Trayvon may have been on top at one point and beat his head or punched his face - Zimmerman was the one who was following a teen who was simply walking down the street to his fathers fiancés home. Innocent. Zimmerman made the decision to profile him - thought he looked suspect, Why??? Then he chose to follow the teen in his car, then get out of the vehicle despite the police telling him that they didn't need him to do that. You can hear the motor vehicle door shut and Zimmerman panting as he ran towards the victim. He HUNTED this teen down. If Zimmerman had stayed in the vehicle, and done what the police told him, then a teenager would be alive today.

Zimmerman needs to go to jail. He appears to be a hot head, police/detective "wanna be" who is obviously prejudice. He should never have a gun or get on the police force. That guy is scary. The FL jury had best do the right thing. Shame on the GOP for bringing out the Pro Gun guys and making this political.

 

[TonyGatto]

I still need to catch up but I do have a question. How can anyone lie through their teeth like he just did when he "apologized" to the parents?!? ( link, emphasis added, mine )

Zimmerman said, “I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. And I did not know if he was armed or not.”​

And yet, from the 911 tape ( link, emphasis added, mine )

Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.​

Though, imho, his lie is rather telling from what appears to be his own justification pov. (i.e., I thought he was older, so that's why I shot him)

As you catch up -- you will see a lot of people asking the same question about this inconsistency. I imagine jurors will do the same.

 

[m00c0w]

Are those the type of bullets you carry in your gun? I know you are a responsible gun owner and I respect you for that (I remember the Zombie story :floorlaugh so I am just curious if those are the bullets you carry?

I may be shooting myself in the foot for saying this (pun not really intended), but I carry a slightly modified version of hollow points.

They're hollow points with a polymer filler that guarantee expansion upon penetration. If you're using deadly force, you've already made the decision you're going to potentially kill someone or they're going to kill you. Hollow points stop threats much more effectively than "regular" FMJs because they don't just pass through the body. I could go into details, but I feel that's wholly irrelevant. Everyone I know that carries has hollow points. If you go into a store and ask for a good round for SD purposes, they'd point you to hollow points. That's just the truth of the matter.

 

[octobermoon]

LOL FT is on JVM :crazy:

He is happy to be back on. yada yada yada,

 

[Desdemona]

He should feel nothing but pure remorse for killing an innocent kid. He should nothing but remorse because he could not follow a simple instruction that would have had Trayvon getting home safe that night! He should feel nothing but remorse for thinking we are all idiots with what people are saying his story is for that night --- it's insulting.

MOO

I don't feel insulted. And I don't believe I am an idiot, but ICBW.

As for the way GZ might be feeling, is it your belief that he doesn't feel remorse? Or that he doesn't have a right to be offended by some of the things people are saying about him (such as here at WS), regardless of his level of remorse for what happened?

JMO

(And no, I don't think those who have spoken in the media on GZ's behalf have gotten all the details right, either.)

 

[angeleleven]

LOL FT is on JVM :crazy:

He is happy to be back on. yada yada yada,

Of course he is....he loves the attention. JMO

 

[LolaMoon08]

I may be shooting myself in the foot for saying this (pun not really intended), but I carry a slightly modified version of hollow points.

They're hollow points with a polymer filler that guarantee expansion upon penetration. If you're using deadly force, you've already made the decision you're going to potentially kill someone or they're going to kill you. Hollow points stop threats much more effectively than "regular" FMJs because they don't just pass through the body. I could go into details, but I feel that's wholly irrelevant. Everyone I know that carries has hollow points. If you go into a store and ask for a good round for SD purposes, they'd point you to hollow points. That's just the truth of the matter.

Wow!! You live in Georgia, right? :floorlaugh:

Thanks for the honesty. :rocker: That's a scary looking bullet and thank you for not going into details. I have already imagined in my head something like that ripping through someone's body. Yikes!

 

[Phoenixfla]

What's been bugging me all day is how GZ (what I perceived to be) lied on the stand during his apology today. He said (unless my ears are wonky) that he thought TM was I thought he was a little bit younger than I am or words to that effect. Yet in the 911 call he said something completely different.

Dispatcher

How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman

He's got button on his shirt, late teens.


Late teens is 17 or 18. George Zimmerman is 28.

That's a bit of a stretch isn't it? I'm all for a fair trial, and I have my own thoughts on this, but it shouldn't be based on lies. what exactly is closer to 28? 25? Does TM look like he was 25 years old? My son isn't much younger than TM (15 in July) and wouldn't be able to pass off as 18!

So yah, this testimony frustrated the heck out of me.

MOO

Mel

Perhaps when he initially saw TM he thought he looked 17 or 18 but when he is being assaulted (allegedly) he thought a 17 or 18 year old wouldnt be kicking my butt this bad.

Not that this is the case but I would consider this as a plausible explanation.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I don't feel insulted. And I don't believe I am an idiot, but ICBW.

As for the way GZ might be feeling, is it your belief that he doesn't feel remorse? Or that he doesn't have a right to be offended by some of the things people are saying about him (such as here at WS), regardless of his level of remorse for what happened?

JMO

(And no, I don't think those who have spoken in the media on GZ's behalf have gotten all the details right, either.)

I believe he doesn't feel remorse for anyone but himself and not because he has wrongfully been accused of something, but because it didn't just "blow over" like he thought it would.

MOO

 

[curiousjo]

GZ is a coward. He spoke today in hopes of tainting a jury. All he is concerned about is trying not to go to jail. He hunted down a teen and killed him. In the end, God knows the truth. I think he is a walking dead man.

 

[octobermoon]

Of course he is....he loves the attention. JMO

If he ends up on Dancing with the stars Lolamoon will be :maddening:

 

[2goldfish]

I don't know how he would have apologized to them around then. They had no contact at any time.

my first thought was why not pass a letter through the police department then I remembered oh yeah, they were completely incompetent. after it hit the media, I bet he could have got an apology out in any medium he wished.