17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #29

[badme102]

Has it been confirmed that there was not a drop of TM's blood on GZ?

LOL, not that I am aware of yet. You would think, however, that the SPD would have made some notation that he had ANY blood on his clothes (would have to be front according to GZ's story # 374398473)

They did note in the report that he had blood on his head and nose, right?

 

[HiHater]

I'd say when a lead investigator potentially perjures himself in an affidavit or on the stand, that's a big deal.

The one that stuck out the most was that he said he never personally reviewed the testimony given by the girlfriend, but swore to a good part of a paragraph that revolves around this testimony.

Where did he ever state that he never reviewed the testimony?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

O'MARA: During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described what was happening. How did you get that information?

GILBREATH: From Detective Osteen.

O'MARA: How did he get it?

GILBREATH: He interviewed the witness.

DE LA RIONDA: Isn't it true also that you verified through Detective Osteen, Investigator Osteen that Mr. Martin was on the phone with a lady who was out of town?

GILBREATH: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: Ok and in fact that young lady provided a sworn statement but also you verified through phone records that that conversation actually took place?

GILBREATH: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: Ok and what is described in that next paragraph exactly that Mr. Martin was describing to the lady that he was scared because he was being followed throughout the complex by an unknown male and did not know why this man, Mr. Zimmerman was following him?

GILBREATH: To my understanding, yes.

DE LA RIONDA: Obviously Mr. Martin didn't refer to the male as Mr. Zimmerman.

GILBREATH: Yes and also this came from Osteen informing me of this. We had split work and had done different things.

*all emphasis is mine...

 

[uvamerica]

Isabelle posted:



You said it would be admitting guilt, but he is admitting guilt to causing the death of their son (presuming that the autopsy shows the COD was a gunshot wound). He brought the gun and pulled the trigger that sent away the bullet that hit TM in the chest and caused his death.

Whether he was justified under the SYG law to shoot and cause TM's death is an open question that the court has to decide on but he has not denied that he did so.

Framing an apology in a minimizing way "sorry for your loss" will not take it away imo, neither does his lawyer saying "he realizes he was involved in some way in Trayvon Martin's death".

1) TM was on top of GZ beating his head into the pavement
2) TM was on top of GZ covering his mouth and nose with 'all his weight'
3) After GZ shot TM, GZ lunged at TM and put him face down on the ground

Which one is it? It certainly can't be all of them.

**How can GZ yell for help (which I don't believe for a second), with his mouth and nose being covered with all of TM's weight?

**If GZ shot TM while TM was on top of him on the ground (smashing his head into the pavement), how is possible that he lunged at him after the shooting?

**If GZ shot TM while TM was on top of him on the ground (smashing his head into the pavement), how did GZ not have one single drop of TM's blood on him? (from being in such close proximity during said shooting)

**If TM supposedly beat GZ to a bloody pulp (so badly that he was one hit away from wearing depends ), why didn't TM have any marks, scratches, bruising or such on his hands?

You forgot GZ was also choking on all that blood from his nose

 

[momshrink]

--and this "one deed" is what-----hitting the PayPal button?

:floorlaugh:

 

[SuziQ]

Whaaa?! This was one of the most convoluted legalese questions I've ever heard! Do they teach them in law school how to construct a good head-banger like this? :banghead:

Gilbreath had to pause and really untangle MOM's questions before answering... (Wonder if he could have answered "Circumstantially, yes, there seems to be conflicting evidence.")

AC and team better get extra ready for MOM. He's super slick. I can see it now... By posing back-to-back conundrums like this, MOM will wear all the witnesses down, into confused submission.

MOM seems to be one cool ninja. This is going to be a heck of a fight.

Does anyone know if AC participates in the courtroom these days, or has she been promoted too high to be involved at the in-court level?

BBM. I will go further and state I think Mom is the best I've seen yet. You really have to undo a puzzle when reading the transcript of the bond hearing. GZ made a good choice by going with this attorney.

 

[Adrienne37]

For those stating that O'Mara supplied the medical records to the prosecution during this hearing, you can plainly see at 1:51:15 into the hearing is where O'Mara is holding what he claims to be the medical records, waves it in the air, and sets it down on his table with all of his other file folders, etc. after he is done. Never in this video is it shown that the paper (that he was claiming to be medical records) he was waving around in court was provided to the prosecution.

http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815

Thanks LaurieJ for providing this link to the hearing.



~jmo~

 

[uvamerica]

For those stating that O'Mara supplied the medical records to the prosecution during this hearing, you can plainly see at 1:51:15 into the hearing is where O'Mara is holding what he claims to be the medical records, waves it in the air, and sets it down on his table with all of his other file folders, etc. after he is done. Never in this video is it shown that the paper (that he was claiming to be medical records) he was waving around in court was provided to the prosecution.

http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815

Thanks LaurieJ for providing this link to the hearing.



~jmo~

This is true, O'Mara acts as though he is going to give the report to the investigator, then says he'll give them to the state but never does. :waitasec:

 

[Desdemona]

Yes, there is another who didn't testify yesterday or did I somehow miss that?

Zimmerman has sunk his own ship by repeatedly changing his stories to fit the scenarios in which he was presented, he has given his family/friends contradictory statements which were repeated during multiple interviews on his behalf. How do you think Joe Oliver, Frank Taaffee, Robert Zimmerman, and Robert Zimmerman, Jr. are going to hold up under cross-examination? What about Zimmerman himself. How do you think he's going to hold up on cross-examination? IMO, he nearly peed his pants yesterday when he was on the stand. I personally can't wait.
~jmo~

<BBM>

I couldn't help but notice that your sig line says you stand in solidarity with TM's family, quoting SF as follows:

I have no time for anger. I don't want to grant it a place in my heart. I simply want justice. I don't hate him and I'm not angry at him. But my son died and we deserve to know what happened. It's not for the police to determine justice. It's for the courts. And we'll stand by what the court says. But that's what I'm focused on. We want an arrest. But it's not out of anger or hatred. I have too much to do to be sidetracked with any of that. But when your son dies and there isn't even an arrest, it makes it so much harder.... Sybrina Fulton

I'm curious based on the anger (IMO) you express in your posts here, and the solidarity you mention -- In your opinion, do you think Sybrina's feelings have changed since she spoke those words? Do you believe the family is feeling more more vengeful now toward GZ than they were before he was arrested? TIA

 

[Adrienne37]

This is true, O'Mara acts as though he is going to give the report to the investigator, then says he'll give them to the state but never does. :waitasec:

Smoke and mirrors uvamerica. Just as I said earlier, O'Mara could have been waving around anything but medical records for all we know.


~jmo~

 

[Elley Mae]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/experts-zimmerman-attorney-made-smart-move-16185859

Legal observers said the questioning of Gilbreath was strategically smart for O'Mara since the investigator's statements can be used at a later date to either contradict other testimony or be used to decide how to question other witnesses.

bbm it would seem that Gilbreath's answer's can come into trial, if there is one.

 

[m00c0w]

Where did he ever state that he never reviewed the testimony?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

*all emphasis is mine...

It was during the commercial break CNN took.

MOM: "She told O'Steen and you reviewed the affidavit, correct?"
G: "I reviewed this affidavit."
MOM: "Did you review her sworn statement?"
G: "No."

Around 1:17:50 in the video.

 

[SuziQ]

As long as he shows up for his court dates -- that's cool! Let him keep posting on his website. You know he has a problem with listening to what people tell him not to do!

Still can't wait to see what the whole text message about Tracy is about!!

BBM. This is bugging me because I could swear that something about this was revealed early on in the media.

 

[m00c0w]

Smoke and mirrors uvamerica. Just as I said earlier, O'Mara could have been waving around anything but medical records for all we know.


~jmo~

What would that accomplish? If he doesn't hand over the records, the state knows he was bluffing. The judge will know if they're not entered after blatantly stating they exist and would be presented. There's not even a jury at this phase. I see no reason why it would be "smoke and mirrors". I can definitely see that he was making a point to the prosecution, though. That point would be pretty invalid if he never presented the medical records.

 

[Adrienne37]

<BBM>

I couldn't help but notice that your sig line says you stand in solidarity with TM's family, quoting SF as follows:

I have no time for anger. I don't want to grant it a place in my heart. I simply want justice. I don't hate him and I'm not angry at him. But my son died and we deserve to know what happened. It's not for the police to determine justice. It's for the courts. And we'll stand by what the court says. But that's what I'm focused on. We want an arrest. But it's not out of anger or hatred. I have too much to do to be sidetracked with any of that. But when your son dies and there isn't even an arrest, it makes it so much harder.... Sybrina Fulton

I'm curious based on the anger (IMO) you express in your posts here, and the solidarity you mention -- In your opinion, do you think Sybrina's feelings have changed since she spoke those words? Do you believe the family is feeling more more vengeful now toward GZ than they were before he was arrested? TIA

This statement in my signature line was quoted from Sybrina on April 7, 2012. As of April 20, 2012, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that both of Trayvon's parents are angry now, rightly so. They were forced to listen to this pitiful excuse of a man justify his reasoning for murdering their son. He's sorry they lost their son? They didn't lose anything. Trayvon's not missing. He murdered their son. He hunted him with his "tactical flashlights" and his 9-mm gun with hollow-point bullets like prey and murdered him and then has the gall to sit on a witness stand and say he is sorry for the loss of their son. Additionally, he didn't realize how old Trayvon was? Seriously? He identified his age as late teens and referred to him as a "kid" in his 911 call. Last but certainly not least, he can shoot to kill without even knowing if Trayvon was armed or not? He admitted that on the stand. Yea, I'd say they are pretty angry, rightly so. I'll be sure to dig up a more appropriate quote by them to include in my signature line to reflect their feelings after April 20, 2012.


~jmo~

 

[Reader]

We also have to remember that other agencies/detectives participated in the investigation. We have not heard from SPD. Wasn't the FBI investigating, and would one of their investigators testify as well?

FDLE was also involved in the investigation.

 

[LolaMoon08]

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[CathyinTexas]

That part has nothing to do with the subject that Mr. Martin had him on the ground and kept bashing his head on the concrete over and over. The SA was saying the story of Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete over and over was not true because of the injuries he received. The police know what a head looks like when slammed over and over on concrete.


O'MARA: The injuries seem to be consistent with his story, though, don't they?

Dale; The injuries are consistent with a harder object striking the back of his head than his head was. (he does not say the injuries are consistent with Zimmerman's story which is the important part.)

O'MARA: Could that be cement?

GILBREATH: Could be. (he could have gone on and said any hard object)

O'MARA: Did you just say it was consistent or did you say it wasn't consistent?

GILBREATH: I said it was. (He is saying it was consistent with hitting a harder object. Not that it is consistent with Zimmerman's story.)

I am sure that the prosecution can redeem this witness. My opinion is that it is more likely that the judge will dismiss this because of the SYG law, but if it gets to trial, I think GZ will be convicted of something.

 

[Nova]

Does the judge have to say that if a juror believes that a witness lied about one thing then they can disregard all testimony from that witness? If so, then this should be easy, because it will become evident that one of the stories GZ told must be a lie so they can disregard all his stories, I hope. moo

IIRC in California anyway, the instruction says that a juror may believe all, some or none of a witness' testimony. As the triers of fact, jurors are always allowed to evaluate the credibility of witnesses and many people believe that someone who would lie once under oath would like about anything; but I don't know there's an instruction that actually says that.

I hope not, because the truth is almost everyone misspeaks eventually. That doesn't mean everything s/he says is untrue.

 

[joypath]

For those stating that O'Mara supplied the medical records to the prosecution during this hearing, you can plainly see at 1:51:15 into the hearing is where O'Mara is holding what he claims to be the medical records, waves it in the air, and sets it down on his table with all of his other file folders, etc. after he is done. Never in this video is it shown that the paper (that he was claiming to be medical records) he was waving around in court was provided to the prosecution.

http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815

Thanks LaurieJ for providing this link to the hearing.



~jmo~

So sorry for exhibiting my skepticism :what:, BUT....I wonder IF those papers waved about really ARE medical records of pristine quality, ie. unadulterated, stamped for authenticity. Additionally, I wonder IF they were copies of the EMS run sheet....again, questioning the quality and completeness. ANYHOW, I'd "suggest" that records that are retrieved via a subpoena might be more "wholesome"!lease:lease:
:moo::moo::moo: Oh yeah, tiny detail about Ac's investigators "chatting" with GZ; IIRC, he was receiving legal "advice" from his team of lawyers or as he phrased it, "legal advisors" per the audio from their unique press conference.

so totally just my opinion! :moo::moo::moo::moo: