17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #33

[Kimberlyd125]

Yes indeed, but it does not make it right nor would these type of details be considered legally factual. But it is the path that reporting has moved toward and it is not good "Journalism."

Then should we disregard every article in this case that does not name a source?

If so, the media thread would be very short.

 

[LambChop]

That's a good question for our lawyers, but based on other cases we've followed here, IMO that photo could be offered as evidence by the defense so long as the photographer was willing to testify under oath that they took it and when/where/under what circumstances. If the state believes it to be a fake, the two sides could battle it out before trial with the judge making the call as to admissibility.

If this picture is authentic why hasn't the person come forward because they will have to eventually? Why are they hiding? Why would they wait until right before the bond hearing to release them? And why would they wait so long when GZ's life was being threatened? jmo

 

[annalia]

So is this how it's going to be for every article that's seemingly positive towards GZ? That it must be embellished or made up? Is it really that some want him to be this monster so bad that anything written in a positive light is taken with a grain of salt?

I thought the pictures were nice, he looked like a really cute kid and high schooler.

I also was glad to see exactly how old that grad picture that had been floated all over the media was. Given all of the attacks and accusations leveled at Trayvon's parents for putting out a few pictures that were only a few years old, we now know that GZ's family had put out a picture that was 11 years old, pictures in that article were over 20 years old.

I think now though, just like when GZ's myspace appeared, suddenly those pictures won't be such an issue any longer, and we'll be seeing people claim that they never thought it was ever an issue.

JMHO

 

[Just K]

Comments and opinions are not facts until they are verified by citing sources. The public is responsible for weeding out the anecdotes from the facts and all too often we just don't take the time. These days, it is draining just to consider whether a story is anecdotal or factual. It's sad because we use the MSM for links but the writers are often poorly trained and the job of "fact finder" seems to have gone by the wayside.

 

[Just K]

Then should we disregard every article in this case that does not name a source?

If so, the media thread would be very short.

We accept the parts that are cited as fact and the rest as either opinion or anecdote.

 

[Elley Mae]

If this picture is authentic why hasn't the person come forward because they will have to eventually? Why are they hiding? Why would they wait until right before the bond hearing to release them? And why would they wait so long when GZ's life was being threatened? jmo

They don't have to come forward for the public, do they? I am sure the picture taker will be there at trial, if there is one.

 

[Aedrys]

We accept the parts that are cited as fact and the rest as either opinion or anecdote.

ITA. I teach English Composition, and I wouldn't let my students use that article as a source. Good sources don't mind sharing their sources and even linking to other pages that talk about their sources or are for their sources. This was just an opinion piece to make GZ look better and should be looked upon as such. Frankly, when it comes to media, it's all opinion to me. I learned that through the Casey case and even some others when the media, as usual, jump the gun and give the wrong information or are highly biased because they are defense friendly. I don't trust any media these days. Give me facts and evidence, not over inflated and opinionated pieces because someone wants to get the scoop first. Journalism has gone down the toilet these days, and it's sad to me how far down journalism has gone.

 

[Aedrys]

They don't have to come forward for the public, do they? I am sure the picture taker will be there at trial, if there is one.

I would think an investigation is ongoing as to who took the picture. I am sure that will be figured out before trial and that person will probably be deposed. With all that is going on, I don't mind them not coming forward or being exposed by the media at this point. I'd rather that be handled behind the scenes. I'm sure Corey is not ignoring that picture.

 

[cityslick]

As some have stated, we don't even know when that gun came out. We also don't know if GZ chased TM and in the process the two fell to the ground, with TM landing on top. Unless someone video taped the chasing through the two of them landing on the ground, we may never have the real story as to how, when or why that gun came out or how the two ended up in the position that they ended up in.

At best, it is an unholy mess. BUT, a mess that began because GZ assumed that TM was guilty of a crime that had not even been committed.

IMO, you can't put him in jail simply for that. I think that's what a lot of lawyers are saying about this case.

 

[Etilema]

Comments and opinions are not facts until they are verified by citing sources. The public is responsible for weeding out the anecdotes from the facts and all too often we just don't take the time. These days, it is draining just to consider whether a story is anecdotal or factual. It's sad because we use the MSM for links but the writers are often poorly trained and the job of "fact finder" seems to have gone by the wayside.

Even if they don't verify that the information is factual, they could at least say, "According to X," or, "Such-and-such said."

JMO


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[Just K]

If I were to think about when modern Journalism began the rapid decline toward Sensationalism, I think back to the mid 90s. The Oklahoma Bombing (1995) comes to mind. All of the news stations started running all day news stories and put huge banners across the screen, in scary fonts, that read something like, "Terror in the Heartland." Since then it seems to have only gotten worse.

ALL IMO, of course.

 

[Aedrys]

I thought the pictures were nice, he looked like a really cute kid and high schooler.

I also was glad to see exactly how old that grad picture that had been floated all over the media was. Given all of the attacks and accusations leveled at Trayvon's parents for putting out a few pictures that were only a few years old, we now know that GZ's family had put out a picture that was 11 years old, pictures in that article were over 20 years old.

I think now though, just like when GZ's myspace appeared, suddenly those pictures won't be such an issue any longer, and we'll be seeing people claim that they never thought it was ever an issue.

JMHO

You know what, though? I see a contrast with those pictures when he was younger and the ones taken after he was arrested. He seemed so young and full of life, and then the pictures after he is arrested, his eyes seem deadened a bit. He can't even smile anymore. I really worry about his mental state now and him being out on bond.

 

[cityslick]

I thought the pictures were nice, he looked like a really cute kid and high schooler.

I also was glad to see exactly how old that grad picture that had been floated all over the media was. Given all of the attacks and accusations leveled at Trayvon's parents for putting out a few pictures that were only a few years old, we now know that GZ's family had put out a picture that was 11 years old, pictures in that article were over 20 years old.

I think now though, just like when GZ's myspace appeared, suddenly those pictures won't be such an issue any longer, and we'll be seeing people claim that they never thought it was ever an issue.

JMHO

That 11 year old picture wasn't the first picture we saw of GZ, it was the 2005 mug shot, menacing looking, picture.

 

[saguaro]

They don't have to come forward for the public, do they? I am sure the picture taker will be there at trial, if there is one.

They'd be skewered by some and get death threats by others if they were to come forward.

IMO!

 

[annalia]

That 11 year old picture wasn't the first picture we saw of GZ, it was the 2005 mug shot, menacing looking, picture.

Most likely because that was the only public picture available at the time.

Point is, when a picture of GZ was given to the media, it was an 11 year old picture, we saw that grad photo on all of the shows. And it was much older than the pictures that Trayvon's family was attacked for. He sure didn't look like that the night of Trayvon's killing, were they trying to hide something sinister, or maybe that grad pic was special to them?

JMHO

 

[cityslick]

You know what, though? I see a contrast with those pictures when he was younger and the ones taken after he was arrested. He seemed so young and full of life, and then the pictures after he is arrested, his eyes seem deadened a bit. He can't even smile anymore. I really worry about his mental state now and him being out on bond.

There's not a whole lot of people in this world who show 'young and full of life' after they get arrested though.

 

[LambChop]

It is really sad that one person can be in a position to cause so much hurt and hatred directed at one person to cause death threats all for the ratings. welcome to america jmo

I was thinking the same thing only slightly different. It is really sad that one person can be in a position to cause so much hurt and hatred directed at one person to cause that person's death. Really, what was GZ's motivation for following TM??? jmo

 

[cityslick]

Most likely because that was the only public picture available at the time.

Point is, when a picture of GZ was given to the media, it was an 11 year old picture. Much older than the pictures that Trayvon's family was attacked for.

JMHO

GZ is also 11 years older than TM so it's not a fair comparison. It's not like we were seeing 11 year old pics of TM when he was 6 yrs old. GZ didn't look like the 2005 mug shot either.

 

[atthelake]

Probably trajectory...or which side of his body the holster was on.

FACT: I am left handed, but ONLY eat with left hand, write with left hand. I bowl, golf, throw, smoke, AND SHOOT (just last month) right handed.

FWIW.

ETA: And I even went to Catholic school in the first grade, where in the *old days* they tried to make you *go* right handed! Can YOU remember those days!? :floorlaugh:

 

[Just K]

My Opinion, Commentary, etc about the business of "News."
I think the owners of major media are playing a horrible game. To keep up their revenues they run with negative stories and then after the story either builds or dies down they go with the opposite side. They do this over and over again to keep the story alive. It is IMO, that today's media has nothing to do with ferreting out actual facts or truth. It is simply about making money and getting the most ratings.

Many people have just gotten so sick of it that they don't even watch or read the "news" anymore. IMO, that has led to people choosing to be unawares of the goings-on in their communities, nation and the world. That, IMO, is a dangerous thing.