17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #34

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  • #561
That timeline was extremely helpful. If GZ was the only one with the account information, and he turned himself in within 48 hours of the website going live, I can see a real possibility that he was shocked to find $150K in the account when he got out on bail, especially if the other sites had only collected a few thousand at most.

I maintain that I doubt that he received any phone calls while in jail, other than with his lawyer. MOM surely would have told him not to.
BUT, there is one thing that GZ could probably do while in jail and that was watch TV. He could probably get updates via FT who said in more than one interview that there was money in the accounts...

GZ could have known that when FT said "Two Hundred" that indeed he meant $200,000 as opposed to $200. No interviewer seems to have confirmed what he meant by just saying, "Two Hundred."

Then, in court today O'Mara did the same trickery by saying, "Two Hundred, $204,000." He did not say Two to approximately $204,000. This was a swift way to make it sound like everyone talks like that. But most people would something like, "between 200 and 204 thousand dollars." Neither O'Mara or FT put it that way. Each said, "Two Hundred, Two hundred and Four thousand dollars."

IMO, FT told GZ, via his interviews on NG, just how much was in the account. When he said, "Two Hundred," it is my opinion that, people in the inside circle knew he meant $204,000 and not $200.

And, anyone who understands lying by omission knows:
When a balance is constantly changing it is not a lie to say, "No, I don't know how much money I have." Because, who among us knows down to the penny exactly how much money they have? The Prosecutor should have said, "Well, how much was in the account the last time you checked?" or "If you could give a ballpark figure within say $100,000, what do you think is in the account?"

Justice in this country is about semantics and asking a question in a way that someone cannot lie by omission. Whoever does it best or however lies by omission the best will win the case. (ALL OF THE ABOVE IMO, OF COURSE.)
 
  • #562
I think the likelihood of fleeing is no less at 250k as it is at 150k.
At some point the person is a flight risk or they aren't.

Crump is VERY associated with the actual trial. People give him credit for making this trial possible. But for him to keep going on the air and calling Zimmerman a manipulative liar, who cannot be believed, and that he is guilty of murder as well, imo, he is going too far.

He should back off and let Justice take it's course. IMO


He is associated with the family IMO. Not the trial. He isn't entitled to discovery, he didnt speak at the Bond hearing, he's not deposing witnesses, etc etc.

Not sure why two quotes on here? On phone sorry impatientredhead
 
  • #563
Trayvon case coming up again with Vinnie Politan on HLN.
 
  • #564
I would find it quite difficult for him to leave the country and live in hiding on 200K. The judge already made it a condition of his bond that he could leave the State (but did he take away his passport).

Zimmerman must wear an electronic monitoring device and he may be allowed to leave the state

I don't like GZ, that's my personal opinion. I think he's been shady in his truths to the court (again my personal opinion). But where would this high profile defendant flee to besides out of the country (he's permitted to go to any State in the USA if he wishes). I don't agree with the judge, and felt he should have had to remain in the State of FL, but I didn't make the decision :(

MOO

Mel

I think the point is that at the time of the hearing, the judge thought he wasn't a flight risk. But, at the time of the hearing, he had $150,000 dollars at his disposal. That makes him a significant flight risk before MOM got ahold of that money. That is the issue. The lying about the account could change what the judge originally thought about GZ flight risk wise. It could alter the conditions of the bond because at that time, MOM had no control of the money and they both lied about the account.
 
  • #565
I think the likelihood of fleeing is no less at 250k as it is at 150k.
At some point the person is a flight risk or they aren't.

--getting out on a 150,000 bond ( when your family has testified that they will have to try and scrape together funds to even make that happen ) once bailed out, it appears that he wouldn't have access to much money 'on the outside'.

--getting out on the same 150,000 bond , when once free, george has access to 200,000 additional $$$$$'s, 'flight' is now a possibility.
 
  • #566
And the defense is doing the exact same thing. So it's okay for the defense to continually try this case in the media, but no one should speak against them? They are the ones who lied about the Paypal account, oh sorry, I mean it was an oversight. How GZ can be trusted about his version of events the night he shot Trayvon if he lies about a monetary account? He and his lawyer are making themselves look worse and worse. They need to stop all of the shadiness and lying and then Crump won't have anything to complain about, IMO.

Yes he will.
 
  • #567
But the parents have been saying they just want a fair trial. And this judge seems to be trying to do that. GZ has the legal right to receive a bond, and yet the parents sent out the message through Crump, about how devastated they were that the defendant received what is USUALLY ALWAYS given in cases like this. Imo, Crump is elevating the emotional drama unnecessarily, by hyping every single thing that happens, and making it seem like an unfair development. JMO

The parents said they want justice for the death of their child. Justice is not lying about your finances. Justice is not releasing unverified, bloodied pictures to the press. Justice is not having slanted articles with GZ's baby pictures and unverified quotes from select people. Justice is not MOM being on every media program, doing news conferences, setting up additional websites and so on, and so on...

If GZ and his "team" would shut their mouths to the media, then life would be so much better. IMO - MOM and GZ's family/friends are causing the emotional drama. Their faces have been on the media tours, not the Martin's. Crump should absolutely speak up when something like this is uncovered. He would be doing an injustice to Trayvon and his family if he didn't say anything about GZ lying about his financial resources.

Of course, GZ is entitled to bond. However, being truthful in a court of law, when they are basing your bond on your own financials, is very important. IMO, MOM, GZ and his friends/family have all mislead the public, and the courts.
 
  • #568
BUT, there is one thing that GZ could probably do while in jail and that was watch TV. He could probably get updates via FT who said in more than one interview that there was money in the accounts...

GZ could have known that when FT said "Two Hundred" that indeed he meant $200,000 as opposed to $200. No interviewer seems to have confirmed what he meant by just saying, "Two Hundred."

Then, in court today O'Mara did the same trickery by saying, "Two Hundred, $204,000." He did not say Two to approximately $204,000. This was a swift way to make it sound like everyone talks like that. But most people would something like, "between 200 and 204 thousand dollars." Neither O'Mara or FT put it that way. Each said, "Two Hundred, Two hundred and Four thousand dollars."

IMO, FT told GZ, via his interviews on NG, just how much was in the account. When he said, "Two Hundred," it is my opinion that, people in the inside circle knew he meant $204,000 and not $200.

And, anyone who understands lying by omission knows:
When a balance is constantly changing it is not a lie to say, "No, I don't know how much money I have." Because, who among us knows down to the penny exactly how much money they have? The Prosecutor should have said, "Well, how much was in the account the last time you checked?" or "If you could give a ballpark figure within say $100,000, what do you think is in the account?"

Justice in this country is about semantics and asking a question in a way that someone cannot lie by omission. Whoever does it best or however lies by omission the best will win the case. (ALL OF THE ABOVE IMO, OF COURSE.)

Secret messages from FT to GZ on NG? Really?
 
  • #569
Why wouldn't GZ tell his Parents he had the money to bail himself out instead of making them use their home as collateral?

We don't know that they did use their home as collateral. All we know is that they used "assets" to back the bond. "Assets" include cash or property.
 
  • #570
But if someone already lied about their finances, can you trust their word when they say they're not a flight risk?

I've already begun to doubt the truthfulness of the people involved in GZ's defense and backed away from this discussion to follow the missing child (Isabel Celis) during the past week. I don't think that I can go through another trial like Casey Anthony's during which many people were not truthful during their testimony, and I see the same thing happening already with GZ. I'm not sure that there will ever be justice for Trayvon Martin, and that is very sad. :moo:
 
  • #571
He is associated with the family IMO. Not the trial. He isn't entitled to discovery, he didnt speak at the Bond hearing, he's not deposing witnesses, etc etc.

Not sure why two quotes on here? On phone sorry impatientredhead

Do you think his clients will be called to the stand? IMO that means he is associated with the trial.
 
  • #572
I understand what your saying, but he has just started receiving donations as of a few weeks ago. Lets say in a month that he has a million dollars in his account, it seems that raising the bond now will be pointless if the donors continue to donate.


I agree with you, and hauling him back into court to raise the bond will only make him a more sympathetic figure to the people that are supporting him.

Whether that is the gun rights group, people who believe TM attacked GM, or people that think he is the victim of politically driven decision.

Clearly there was a big spike in donation after his appearance in his "look how nonthreatening I am in a too big suit and shackles." I would imagine there would be a similar spike if they raise his bond.
 
  • #573
And the defense is doing the exact same thing. So it's okay for the defense to continually try this case in the media, but no one should speak against them? They are the ones who lied about the Paypal account, oh sorry, I mean it was an oversight. How GZ can be trusted about his version of events the night he shot Trayvon if he lies about a monetary account? He and his lawyer are making themselves look worse and worse. They need to stop all of the shadiness and lying and then Crump won't have anything to complain about, IMO.

I am not saying that no one should speak against them. I am just saying that I think the trial just go on without all of the hyper sensitive drama surrounding it, being amped up on all of the airwaves.
 
  • #574
I would find it quite difficult for him to leave the country and live in hiding on 200K. The judge already made it a condition of his bond that he could leave the State (but did he take away his passport).

Zimmerman must wear an electronic monitoring device and he may be allowed to leave the state

I don't like GZ, that's my personal opinion. I think he's been shady in his truths to the court (again my personal opinion). But where would this high profile defendant flee to besides out of the country (he's permitted to go to any State in the USA if he wishes). I don't agree with the judge, and felt he should have had to remain in the State of FL, but I didn't make the decision :(

MOO

Mel

--omara handed over george's passport at the start of the bond hearing ( the one that he said in his "motion for reasonable bond" that george didn't have. )
 
  • #575
I am very confused. I just got home and caught up, but I still don't understand what is going on. Some posts in here are saying that some of this money was used for bond?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...tor-angela-corey-media-attorneys-trial-lawyer

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he has taken control of the money and was not aware of the donations during the April 20 bond hearing.

None of the donor money was used to post Zimmerman's bond Sunday, O'Mara said.

Did MOM say in the court that it was used for bond?

So, basically nothing was done today and the judge is waiting for more detailed info, correct?
What happened with the original hearing? Are we getting a doc dump? TIA

Quoting my own post from earlier this morning. Now this same article has been changed to this instead:

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he has taken control of the money and was not aware of the donations during the April 20 bond hearing.

About $5,000 of the donor money was used to post Zimmerman's bond, O'Mara said.

No wonder I was so confused. Ever-changing stories tend to do that to a person.
 
  • #576
--getting out on a 150,000 bond ( when your family has testified that they will have to try and scrape together funds to even make that happen ) once bailed out, it appears that he wouldn't have access to much money 'on the outside'.

--getting out on the same 150,000 bond , when once free, george has access to 200,000 additional $$$$$'s, 'flight' is now a possibility.

Now that the money is being held by his attorney, would you still consider him a greater flight risk than at the bond hearing?
 
  • #577
--getting out on a 150,000 bond ( when your family has testified that they will have to try and scrape together funds to even make that happen ) once bailed out, it appears that he wouldn't have access to much money 'on the outside'.

--getting out on the same 150,000 bond , when once free, george has access to 200,000 additional $$$$$'s, 'flight' is now a possibility.

Sorry. Double posted again.
 
  • #578
I would find it quite difficult for him to leave the country and live in hiding on 200K. The judge already made it a condition of his bond that he could leave the State (but did he take away his passport).

Zimmerman must wear an electronic monitoring device and he may be allowed to leave the state

I don't like GZ, that's my personal opinion. I think he's been shady in his truths to the court (again my personal opinion). But where would this high profile defendant flee to besides out of the country (he's permitted to go to any State in the USA if he wishes). I don't agree with the judge, and felt he should have had to remain in the State of FL, but I didn't make the decision :(

MOO

Mel

I don't think he is a flight risk either.
Right now he put up fifteen and supposedly his parent house.
If he flees they are screwed.

If you raise to 250k, he puts up another ten and still has almost the identical situation. If you are willing to run and leave your loved ones holding the bag I don't think it matters what the dollar amount is. If he is going to flee, he is going to flee.

imo
 
  • #579
Do you think his clients will be called to the stand? IMO that means he is associated with the trial.
They may or may not be, but if they are, B. Crump will not be questioning them. Jmo
 
  • #580
Quoting my own post from earlier this morning. Now this same article has been changed to this instead:



No wonder I was so confused. Ever-changing stories tend to do that to a person.

Thats MSM for ya.
 
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