17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[badme102]

We have no idea whether or not GZ was making a "leap" that TM was looking at houses or what he was doing to cause suspicion, we weren't there. Maybe he was in the grass, close to the houses, and not on the sidewalk, that would look suspicious to me.

That is a leap. If any of that were the case, GZ would have said so on the NE911 call.
Anything to vilify the victim, I guess.

 

[suzihawk]

The button on his sweatshirt was in memory of a relative that died. Little did he know...

This is a kid that visited a paralyzed relative and spoon fed him. Made Easy Bake Oven cakes with his little cousin. Just a teenager with a big heart that was not embarrassed to be photographed kissing his father, shortly before his death. So incredibly sad that he had to die the way he did, that his life was cut short by a wannabe cop that will never amount to anything. And especially sad that I feel obligated to defend his honor. I cannot wait until the evidence comes out. MOO.

Well said and I totally agree. Especially with the bolded above.

:tyou:

 

[badme102]

I think I'm missing something. Did someone find a police report or any evidence that TM did in fact steal jewelry from someone? TIA

 

[rotterdam]

It is done behind the scenes (after they buy it from you) by the jewelry store. I sell special cameras that some of them are using and have seen the software. They are required to hold it after they buy it and have it posted for a specific amount of time. It is a National database, divided by area. You would not be aware of that (but that is why they have your identification, in case something came up after the sale).

Wow, I did not know that. That said, I ran an antiques and collectibles shop for many years and sometimes folks would bring in stuff that I did not trust as to where they got it and did not buy it, no matter how cheap. I always stayed away from the more expensive jewelry, did not want to get robbed. But me thinks that plenty of little antique shops are not aware of that requirement.

 

[LambChop]

I believe BG stated in her interview that there are no sidewalks in the front of the homes, only grass. The only side walk was at the cut through and along the backs of the condos. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I believe BG stated in her interview that there are no sidewalks in the front of the homes, only grass. The only side walk was at the cut through and along the backs of the condos. jmo

 

[raeann]

I just don't get how this whole 'looking about' and 'looking at houses' translates into being suspicious. I walk in my neighborhood nearly every evening. I look around at all my surroundings. I enjoy the looking at the homes, lawns and gardens, the kids playing, etc. Am I to walk with my head to the ground as to not appear suspicious?

Me too! AND my beagle sometimes looks under their bushes and behind their mailboxes!!! Maybe she needs some blinders and a bullet proof doggie vest to keep her safe....

 

[ladonna]

I believe BG stated in her interview that there are no sidewalks in the front of the homes, only grass. The only side walk was at the cut through and along the backs of the condos. jmo

I'd call these sidewalks.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece

 

[raeann]

I'd call these sidewalks.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece

That photo is actually of the BACK sidewalk between the condos back yards....

 

[LambChop]

I'd call these sidewalks.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece

And they are behind the condos.

 

[raeann]

Here is the community website that shows the front view

http://www.407re.com/RetreatatTwinLakes

 

[pcrum12]

Self-defense only applies to defending your LIFE against attack. What did Zimmerman see that made him fear for his life. Self-defense does not mean attacking someone because you THINK they MIGHT be a burglar.

Legal definition of self-defense: A person claiming self-defense must prove at trial that the self-defense was justified. Generally a person may use reasonable force when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack.Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force. (bold is my emphasis)

Clearly Zimmerman's use of deadly force was NOT self-defense.

Well obviously you have your opinion. However, we have yet to see any proof in evidence that your theory is correct, nor mine. It has yet to be proven that GZ attacked TM or whether TM attacked GZ. Simple as that. As far as I know, any evidence put forth thus far has yet to determine WHO initiated the fight. All JMOO

 

[rotterdam]

The button on his sweatshirt was in memory of a relative that died. Little did he know...

This is a kid that visited a paralyzed relative and spoon fed him. Made Easy Bake Oven cakes with his little cousin. Just a teenager with a big heart that was not embarrassed to be photographed kissing his father, shortly before his death. So incredibly sad that he had to die the way he did, that his life was cut short by a wannabe cop that will never amount to anything. And especially sad that I feel obligated to defend his honor. I cannot wait until the evidence comes out. MOO.

Yes, Trayvon's death was so tragic and unnecessary. Personally I am very eager to see additionally evidence in this case.
On the other hand, I wonder if it really will make any difference. This case is so politically loaded already. Behind the scenes, it is already being deliberated if a conviction or no conviction is beneficial to the political agenda and/or damage control IMO. Justice for both Trayvon and also for GZ is really immaterial at this point. The political agenda will drive this case and arrives at the least damaging to all the political parties involved which does not include either Trayvon or GZ.
Just my skeptical opinion.

 

[jaded cat]

I want to know if this was investigated completely or if the owners were found?
bbm
Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.
Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

That suspension was followed four months later by another one in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/...usands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy


I do feel (jmo) that TM was acting suspicious, because of his past history of stealing jmo and being deceitful jmo that it was cause for GZ to take a second look. jmo

GZ didn't know anything about what TM may or may not have done so TM's past is irrelevant. GZ didn't say, hey this guy is walking around, looking in house windows, checking out cars to see if they're unlocked, stealing things from open patios. Those things might have been reason for being suspicious.

I have never heard any reference to a marijuana pipe, just that an empty baggie which might have contained pot was found in his back pack. No need to embellish the story to make it fit your narrative.

 

[LambChop]

That is why in the county I live in they(jewelry thieves) ride the bus from the city to the county to pawn.

Must not be too profitable. jmo

 

[Donjeta]

Here is the community website that shows the front view

http://www.407re.com/RetreatatTwinLakes

I find this noteworthy

We are an independent brokerage firm NOT affiliated in any way with the Home Owner Association

 

[Gaia713]

Well, that depends on the environment. I know many shopkeepers that do carry a concealed weapon and for a good reason. And many criminals often stay away from such an establishment if it is a well known fact.

But that's a far cry from carrying a weapon when you walking in a public area. Maybe he thought Martin was going to steal his jewels?

 

[Elley Mae]

GZ didn't know anything about what TM may or may not have done so TM's past is irrelevant. GZ didn't say, hey this guy is walking around, looking in house windows, checking out cars to see if they're unlocked, stealing things from open patios. Those things might have been reason for being suspicious.

I have never heard any reference to a marijuana pipe, just that an empty baggie which might have contained pot was found in his back pack. No need to embellish the story to make it fit your narrative.

I did no such thing, read the article at link it's in there.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/...usands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

n October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious."

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

That suspension was followed four months later by another one in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

The punishment was the third for the teen.

bbm

 

[Gaia713]

Me too! AND my beagle sometimes looks under their bushes and behind their mailboxes!!! Maybe she needs some blinders and a bullet proof doggie vest to keep her safe....

I don't know how to walk without looking at my surroundings. Also, if this was a grassy area, HOW did Zimmerman get his head pounded on the concrete?