17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[Donjeta]

I think GZ has a good chance of getting away with it. Unless the prosecutor has some radical new evidence under her sleeve I don't think they will find twelve people who will agree (if it goes to a trial and isn't dropped at the SYG hearing). The Florida SYG law is imo perfectly designed to let killers off the hook.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Prosecutors are not allowed to make public comments on TV as far as I know.

It is not uncommon these days for victims family members to have attorneys and publicists for high profile cases and media circuits. It is only fair that Trayvon's family has access to the public if the perpetrator does. moo

 

[elementary]

Remember when everyone hated Mark NeJame and swore up and down about how unethical he was?

I do. LOL.

They were wrong then too. O'Mara's peer-reviewed ethical rating is AV.

http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx?ft=1&frm=freesearch&afs=mark o'mara orlando, fl



http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx?ft=1&frm=freesearch&afs=mark o'mara orlando, fl

Quote:

Why Social Media for George Zimmerman?

on 28 April 2012.

We understand that it is unusual for a legal defense to maintain a social media presence on behalf of a defendant, but we also acknowledge that this is a very unusual case. Here are our justifications for our online efforts, and some guidelines we have put in place to help you understand what you can expect. We do understand and acknowledge the criticism that this is an opportunistic move using the event of a tragedy for personal or firm gain. Rest assured, that if the controversy surrounding this matter subsided tomorrow, so would our efforts to address the perceived problems the way we feel is necessary.

First, we contend that social media in this day and age cannot be ignored. It is now a critical part of presidential politics, it has been part of revolutions in the Middle East, and it is going to be an unavoidable part of high-profile legal cases, just as traditional media has been and continues to be. We feel it would be irresponsible to ignore the robust online conversation, and we feel equally as strong about establishing a professional, responsible, and ethical approach to new media.

:cow:

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http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r-video/30966922/detail.html

I haven't seen MOM's legal site referenced here yet. This site is not a FB site. This site will not be the donation site - planned to be kept separately at gzdefensefund.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/



FWIW, At first I thought that MOM's offices had not yet found the GZ presence on WS's site. Now I'm wondering.


To the mods:
Does it make sense to start a thread for discussing MOM's posts at gzlegalcase.com ??

It's irresponsible to try your case in the media, and this is just a justification for it. Whatever is disseminated will be pro-GZ. Moreover, I think it is there to offset the Sunshine Laws towards a favourable spin.

As for peer review, he is ethical relative to what and to whom? We've already seen him at work.

No wonder he didn't want a gag order.

 

[CathyinTexas]

IMO, she will never be called.

I think she will be their star witness. Why do you think she won't be called?

 

[Sensei]

Yup. Every single thing he does is met with the dramatic rhetoric of Crump and Sharpton. Like Rev Al said, " We will be watching closely." It will be a a very high profile case taking on a life of it's own. imo

Crump and Sharpton are certainly not the only ones who have engaged in dramatic rhetoric, GZ sr. and RZ are on a parr with them for dramatics such as GZ having his head smashed against the sidewalk, and being seconds away from being spoon fed and wearing diapers, and choking on the blood in the back of his throat. I don't think anyone has cornered the market on dramatic rhetoric...IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[grandmaj]

I personally wouldn't mind if they didn't divulge the names of the single donators to the Zimmerman funds. I would however feel it would be in the best interest of public disclosure under the Sunshine Act, that any large lobby group be identified in the donations to all parties in this case.

If the defense is going to be funded by large gun proponent groups it is in the public's interest to know that this case is important to lobby efforts to keep SYG in place.

Likewise if large groups has a vested interest on the side of the prosecution although the money being donated through Crump, I believe was for charitable purposes. Correct me if I'm wrong. It would of course not be used to fund the prosecution of any trial or any hearings in this case.

 

[CathyinTexas]

He's done everything possible to minimize and marginalize what he did and deflect himself from any responsibility. If not flat out attempt to justify it as some sort of act of heroism.

What other possible explanation could there be for his Edmund Burke quote at the bottom of each and every page of his self serving website?

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing.”

That quote is another irony. Finally, in this case, good men are doing something, prosecuting GZ for his crime, jmo.

 

[vlpate]

Humilated? O'Mara did a fine job of it all on his own when his client testified.

I don't see it that way at all. He is on television daily, he has people managing a FB o behalf of his client. I' don't believe for a minute that he didn't know what Mr. Crump said. If O'Mara is going to play to the camera , he had better pay attention to the responses he gets on camera. Because this apology in court backfired, and then he offered an equally disingenuous apology to the apology once "again" to the media. He is off his game. And looking foolish. Did he send a letter to Mr. Crump or did he go on the news to do it. It really is not cute.

I had high hopes and began this case making positive approval comments about O'Mara. No more.

Not only did the defense fail in this stunt over the apology, his own case was hurt. Because if it is true that GZ has told many inconsistent stories, George's own words will hurt him. The aging of a decedent Trayvon Martin will come back to bite them. I've been in the funeral profession for a long time, and never have I heard of a decedent aging by 6 to 8 years. O'Mara struck out on this gamble. And Zimmerman testifying that he felt sorry about the death, in a police statement also. If it never happened watch that one come flying back to him to explain in the future. Another inconsistency? Maybe!

Respectfully, we will have to agree to disagree.

BEM: GZ was released on bond so I fail to see how the apology hurt his case. Maybe the Judge is un-biased?

Yes, GZ is innocent until proven guilty, which means there is a chance he may be telling the truth about what happened that night. If so, what gives the prosecution the right to all the publicity they continue to receive day after day via Crump? How professional are those who participated and convicted Zimmerman in the media before he was even arrested - and to convict him based on pure conjecture presented as fact. How anyone is not disgusted by the media lies that have never been addressed by Crump and company is beyond me. How anyone is not disgusted by the acts of people like Spike Lee and members of congress, beyond me. Instead, these same people are offended by an apology. I wish O'Mara was a snake, I wish he would broadcast to the world the truth behind Crump's manipulation of phone records, but he has too much class for that. It would be wasted on most people anyway, it's better that he do it in court. JMO

 

[Gin]

Yup. Every single thing he does is met with the dramatic rhetoric of Crump and Sharpton. Like Rev Al said, " We will be watching closely." It will be a a very high profile case taking on a life of it's own. imo

JMO/IMO-BBM

Just as there are some people who have used their credit card to gift GZ, individuals that find SYG gives them a sense of safety...

There are also other folks who feel Trayvon's life was needless cut short, and who find SYG very disturbing....

And I believe both groups will be watching this high profile case.

 

[Phoenixfla]

IMHO..Everything being done all boils down to being Smoke and Mirrors..
I shudder to think just what exactly is going on behind the scenes in order to protect those involved that night who did not handle the investigation properly.JMHO.
For the record.. I don't trust justice being served to Trayvon or his parents by anyone on any level of Justice in the State of Florida...
IMHO.. It's all staged...It's all just for show... No one really cares about what happened to Trayvon... JMHO

But you have to understand, Emeralgem, that this is just based on your perspective.

There is a group of people out there that believes that the state's case is all smoke and mirrors, and that the prosecution of GZ is just for show.

I know we do not sleuth minors on this board, but maybe take a look at what else was happening in the life of the person that TM was talking to last. Really evaluate what is out there and then ask yourself if you think this person will ever take the stand. I wish I could go into more detail.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I do feel bad for the gf. If her account and testimony is to be used as evidence in the case, the defense has to go after her testimony, and hard. Glad she has her own attny. :cow:

I am sure her parents were afraid of her exposure in this case for good reason. I have seen a picture of her and she is very pretty.

 

[CathyinTexas]

That is not the first time he's used that quote. He used the same quote when getting involved with trying to defend a black homeless man.

What exactly has he done to deflect his responsibilty. He doesn't believe he did anything wrong with calling 911 or seeing where TM was and that is his right. I've never seen or heard him deflect responsibility for shooting TM.

He has lied about the facts in the murder of Trayvon, imo. That is what he has done wrong, aside from killing Trayvon. jmo

 

[Emeralgem]

I think GZ has a good chance of getting away with it. Unless the prosecutor has some radical new evidence under her sleeve I don't think they will find twelve people who will agree (if it goes to a trial and isn't dropped at the SYG hearing). The Florida SYG law is imo perfectly designed to let killers off the hook.

IMHO Yes, it is and I really can't see too much of anyone with any real power down in Flordia caring too much to have the SYG Law changed...JMHO

 

[MaryAnn]

http://cfnews13.com/content/news/cfn...elay_of_d.html

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he will delay a request for evidence from prosecutors because he is concerned about witnesses' safety.

He doesn't say he is worried about GZ, he says he is worried about WITNESSes' safety.

If Mom was so worried about the Witnesses why did he blurt out Trayvon's gf's name during the bond hearing?

 

[vlpate]

If there is one thing you never do, it will backfire on you and your client even more, you never get in the face of the family who has lost a child. YOU never do it. A young man died at the hands of your client.

That is a private space, a place of despair that as a Funeral Director takes me to way too often. I have to love, respect, sometimes I have to accept the anger that the family feels directed toward me, it is a dark private place. And only through carefully gaining the trust of the family using a "special loving " approach can I help them.

O'Mara had no business going there. His client killed this young man. His client then tried to use this apology to improve his own image. There is absolutely no reason to stoop that low and O'mara stooped that low. Huge mis-step and O'Mara was in it up to his knees.

Sybrina Fulton asked for an apology and an explanation. Are we to believe now that her request was insincere?

 

[Phoenixfla]

I think GZ has a good chance of getting away with it. Unless the prosecutor has some radical new evidence under her sleeve I don't think they will find twelve people who will agree (if it goes to a trial and isn't dropped at the SYG hearing). The Florida SYG law is imo perfectly designed to let killers off the hook.

While I think you may be right that he would be found not guilty at a trial, that would assume that he was not granted immunity at the SYG hearing. If SYG does not apply, then this case should not be used to support or denounce the SYG law. IMO.

 

[Phoenixfla]

It's irresponsible to try your case in the media, and this is just a justification for it. Whatever is disseminated will be pro-GZ. Moreover, I think it is there to offset the Sunshine Laws towards a favourable spin.

As for peer review, he is ethical relative to what and to whom? We've already seen him at work.

No wonder he didn't want a gag order.

Why is it irresponsible?

 

[rotterdam]

I personally wouldn't mind if they didn't divulge the names of the single donators to the Zimmerman funds. I would however feel it would be in the best interest of public disclosure under the Sunshine Act, that any large lobby group be identified in the donations to all parties in this case.

If the defense is going to be funded by large gun proponent groups it is in the public's interest to know that this case is important to lobby efforts to keep SYG in place.

Likewise if large groups has a vested interest on the side of the prosecution although the money being donated through Crump, I believe was for charitable purposes. Correct me if I'm wrong. It would of course not be used to fund the prosecution of any trial or any hearings in this case.

I agree, PACs should be disclosed if they forked any money over in this highly political case..
However, doubt if that is gonna happen. They are considered a person according to the SCOTUS, (re;Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission)
And what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[Sensei]

Sybrina Fulton asked for an apology and an explanation. Are we to believe now that her request was insincere?

I am sure she was entirely sincere, but what she got in that Court room was neither an explaination nor an apology since a true and sincere apology is not followed up with a handful of weak excuses such as ," I thought he was just a few years younger than me" ect. She got no explaination as to what exactly GZ thought was so freaking suspicious, such as he was peeking in windows and trying the door handles on cars....Not one explaination that would tell her why he felt that it was so very necessary to not only call 911 but to get out of his vehicle and pursue her son.

GZ made that apology counting on the fact that the family was not going to accept it, and hoping that it would make them look unreasonable and unforgiving....It backfired on him badly since it made him seem insincere and manipulative

I find it hard to even put that into a category of an apology, " I am sorry you lost your son" when the person making this supposed apology is the person who shot him, and gives no reasonable explaination as to why and how it happened. It is his right to not give those ever since he can't be forced to testify against himself, BUT, that does not mean that he gets to categorize that totally selfish and self serving statement he made at the bond hearing as an apology and explainations either. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[mercuriod]

But you have to understand, Emeralgem, that this is just based on your perspective.

There is a group of people out there that believes that the state's case is all smoke and mirrors, and that the prosecution of GZ is just for show.

I know we do not sleuth minors on this board, but maybe take a look at what else was happening in the life of the person that TM was talking to last. Really evaluate what is out there and then ask yourself if you think this person will ever take the stand. I wish I could go into more detail.

BBM: Seems to me that you have "sleuthed" this particular minor and are now trying to suggest that there is something so horribly wrong with her life that she will never take the stand to hide something about herself.

All I can say is WOW, guess O'Mara got just what he wanted when he "accidentally" broadcast her name on national TV, complete strangers trying to dig up dirt on a minor.