17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[katydid23]

I'm going to share a story. I have a near 15-year-old son who's been treated by a psychologist for ADHD (H=impulsivity) every 2 weeks since he was 11. My husband and I have been dealing with his drug abuse (you name it, he claims he's done it) for more than 18 months now. He's in rehab through Juvenile Drug Court (JDC). His first 6 months in JDC he was popping positive every drug test. He was sent to detox for 5 days and stayed clean for 2 months before he was sent back to detox then to residential treatment by order of the court. During his time in residential, he's been sent to detention twice (5 days each). Right before his second detention, he was put on Lexapro and began the Focalin XR again. Since then, he's turned around significantly that he'll likely graduate rehab by the end of the month.

My son has been suspended 3 times since 8th grade. He's a troubled youth for sure but we've tried every punishment (except corporal) to get him onto the right track.

My son taught me some local gang signs today and tells me they don't just represent gangbangers, but "hoods" (neighborhoods). He has a FB account that we monitor. We've had to remove several offensive posts and remind him that his female cousins (tween/teen) and some of his friends parents (who also monitor their FB accounts) are offended by his message. He uses vulgarities (especially when playing XBox) and has been known to flip the bird. That said, my son IS NOT A !

Those of you who wish to portray Trayvon as a , pointing to his tweets/FB posts and his suspensions as "evidence", I'm hear to remind you that those of us with bird flipping, gang sign displaying, vulgarity spewing, hoodie-wearing/pants sagging, less than perfect teens ARE NOT BUYING IT!

BTW, Z and I have been following this case closely on his home passes/drs appointments and, according to him, Trayvon seems like a typical teen dealing with their peer environment. Their peer and online personas are not representative of who they really are. He also says "Pray 4 Tray!"

BBM

I agree. Does this go for Zimmerman's MySpace posts as well ?

 

[AngelWings444]

Almost 100 pages...

I think we need a new thread and a document dump. :waitasec:

So, we are back to the victim's school records, and an empty marijuana bag. Pretty sad. :banghead:

 

[vlpate]

I believe the parents knew about the pot. My guess is because the jewelry story ended the school was able to locate the owner of the jewelry and there was no need to tell TM's parents because the issue was resolved. If it involved another student the school may have felt it was not necessary to involve TM's parents. The very fact the story ends abruptly without explanation and TM's parents were left out of the loop tells me it was resolved and the school is not at liberty to release the other student's name. jmo

It didn't end abruptly, they sent photos of the jewelry to Miami PD and suspended him for the vandalism.

It is naive to believe Crump wouldn't have already slapped a lawsuit on the school for putting out such an inflammatory statement about a child who they feel was murdered. In a New York minute, he would have. JMO

 

[sleonardelli]

There would NOT be an arrest for a pipe. If we arrested every 17 yr old found with a pot pipe there would be no room for any real criminals. I worked in an inner city high school and I NEVER EVER saw a kid arrested for drug paraphenelia. They would be sent home on suspension, pretty automatic. But no arrest unless drugs were present as well.

And how could the attorney say it was not true? Did the school write false info in his federally mandated school records? That is a federal crime for an administrator to put false information in a students permanent record file. Did Crump really say that?

I'm here to tell you (since that's exactly what happened in my son's case) that yes they WILL be arrested. Schools have zero tolerance for drugs or paraphenalia. He would go through the Juvenile Drug Court program in FL.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Hollow point bullets are often times used for target shooting.
IMO that may be why they were in his gun.

Maybe he went target shooting at some point not long before the end of Feb.

Hollow point bullets are perfectly legal, no matter why he had them.

JMO

 

[sleonardelli]

BBM

I agree. Does this go for Zimmerman's MySpace posts as well ?

IMO, NO! GZ is the defendent in this case and was LEGALLY an adult at that time.

 

[Elley Mae]

Almost 100 pages...

I think we need a new thread and a document dump. :waitasec:

So, we are back to the victim's school records, and an empty marijuana bag. Pretty sad. :banghead:

and a pipe

 

[m00c0w]

Unless a person is in a consistently threatened position (such as a police officer) imo there is no need to carry a concealed weapon.

Implying violent crime doesn't happen?

You're fine to not exercise your right to defend yourself, but there's no need to make sweeping generalizations like that. There are plenty of instances in which a criminal would have gladly taken someone's life for mere property and the tables were turned because the victim was carrying.

 

[pcrum12]

:rocker:

No one is blaming the victim. Many are tired of the lopsided picture that has been painted of these two from day one. NEITHER was an angel, they both had things in their past, TM'm much more recent. If he were a year older, he's have had a record for the vandalism and police would not have taken "I don't know" for an answer when asked where he got all the jewelry. He didn't do anything horrible, but he wasn't the innocent child that he is constantly being made out to be. His past shows that he could have been up to something - regardless of whether or not GZ was aware of what he'd done previously.

It's funny how GZ's past matters when it comes to this tragedy, but he didn't deserve to be beat up by TM because of it. None of us know, not even the prosecutor, if TM was acting suspicious, and we don't know who threw first punch, so one opinion is as good as the other in this case. JMO

 

[m00c0w]

:what: Dear Lord......are you expecting the Bin ladens?

It's actually true. FBI tests show that a .223 round is least likely to over-penetrate because of how it tumbles. All rounds left the outside walls of the test house except the .223 rounds, IIRC.

 

[katydid23]

I'm here to tell you (since that's exactly what happened in my son's case) that yes they WILL be arrested. Schools have zero tolerance for drugs or paraphenalia. He would go through the Juvenile Drug Court program in FL.

So are you saying that the information in the school files is FALSE? Because he was not arrested.


Zero tolerance is not the same thing as an automatic arrest. I wouold have thought he would have been arrested for spray painting curse words on school property and apparently he wasn't. He would have been arrested for that at our California HS because they DO arrest for graffitti on campus. But an empty pipe, not an automatic arrest.

 

[AngelWings444]

BBM

I agree. Does this go for Zimmerman's MySpace posts as well ?

I take most FB and MySpace comments/posts with a box of salt. Trayvon was a teen, and they say the dumbest things on social media sites.

In regards to GZ, he is accused of murdering Trayvon, has a history of DV, criminal record, clearly on a mission to catch the @-holes of the neighborhood etc.. His MySpace, to me, represents that his attitude on the 911 calls, website, statements through family and attorney's, aren't far from his core beliefs.

JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

TM was not armed. GZ was. I have yet to see those serious injuries that GZ and his propaganda machine are claiming. My son had more serious wounds than that from a fight at a party. He was not armed. GZ's injuries were not serious enough to warrant anything more than first aid. TM was beyond first aid. If TM threw the first punch GZ had the right to punch back. Not to kill him.

BBM.. Not even a band-aid (30 minutes later) when he appeared on video at the local police station.. Imagine that...JMHO

 

[katydid23]

IMO, NO! GZ is the defendent in this case and was LEGALLY an adult at that time.

So for some people, using vulgarity, gang signs and flipping the bird, is meaningless and harmless. But for others, we should judge them by it?

 

[Gaia713]

No, he doesn't. The operative word in that often referred to "about me" is "can". I dont know how many times I've heard someone say they have biker friends they can call to "take care" of this or that. Why would anyone go to jail for someone else for a year, that's sort of ludicrous unless you are in the Mafia.

JMO

Not really. Charles Manson is more comfortable in jail than in society. You get acclimated to it. Didn't you see "Shawshank Redemption."

 

[katydid23]

I take most FB and MySpace comments/posts with a box of salt. Trayvon was a teen, and they say the dumbest things on social media sites.

In regards to GZ, he is accused of murdering Trayvon, has a history of DV, criminal record, clearly on a mission to catch the @-holes of the neighborhood etc.. His MySpace, to me, represents that his attitude on the 911 calls, website, statements through family and attorney's, aren't far from his core beliefs.

JMO

So if it fits YOUR narrative, you will use it against someone and say it really matters.

If not, then it is just harmless fluff. Got it.

 

[suzihawk]

There would NOT be an arrest for a pipe. If we arrested every 17 yr old found with a pot pipe there would be no room for any real criminals. I worked in an inner city high school and I NEVER EVER saw a kid arrested for drug paraphenelia. They would be sent home on suspension, pretty automatic. But no arrest unless drugs were present as well.

And how could the attorney say it was not true? Did the school write false info in his federally mandated school records? That is a federal crime for an administrator to put false information in a students permanent record file. Did Crump really say that?

B&UBM

Exactly!

 

[highflyer]

No, he doesn't. The operative word in that often referred to "about me" is "can". I dont know how many times I've heard someone say they have biker friends they can call to "take care" of this or that. Why would anyone go to jail for someone else for a year, that's sort of ludicrous unless you are in the Mafia.

JMO

That is not what the quotes says. I'd be happy to bring it to this thread if that is allowed.

 

[AngelWings444]

and a pipe

Oh, please forgive me. Trayvon might have had an empty marijuana bag and a pipe. :what: To continually bring this up is asinine. It has NOTHING to do with GZ killing Trayvon that evening.

Again, pretty pathetic to keep bringing this up. IMO

 

[suzihawk]

Hollow point bullets are often times used for target shooting.
IMO that may be why they were in his gun.

Maybe he went target shooting at some point not long before the end of Feb.

Hollow point bullets are perfectly legal, no matter why he had them.

JMO

I guess Trayvon was his target on 2/26/12.