17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[katydid23]

This whole line of topic is irrelevant! Why are we still beating this poor dead horse into dust? The jewelry has nothing to do with this shooting. :maddening:

I guess because people are wondering WHY GZ was suspicious of TM that night. And so people are looking to see if there would be any reason for him to be suspicious of any possible actions that night. The defense is probably going to go there themselves imo.

 

[Phoenixfla]

I think it may come up, but I don't think the judge should or will allow it to come in. JMO

I disagree. See my post above regarding questionable decisions.

 

[jaded cat]

Maybe not to you, but if TM has a history of questionable decisions, he may have be perceived as more inclined to have initiated the physical altercation.

Were any of those crimes violent? Does a bunch of young men spraying graffiti on a locker rise to the level of violent? Wow, I hung out with hoodlums in high school. Regular thugs, my HS band!

 

[sleonardelli]

Maybe not to you, but if TM has a history of questionable decisions, he may have be perceived as more inclined to have initiated the physical altercation.

NON-VIOLENT bad decisions UNLIKE GZ.

 

[vlpate]

I take most FB and MySpace comments/posts with a box of salt. Trayvon was a teen, and they say the dumbest things on social media sites.

In regards to GZ, he is accused of murdering Trayvon, has a history of DV, criminal record, clearly on a mission to catch the @-holes of the neighborhood etc.. His MySpace, to me, represents that his attitude on the 911 calls, website, statements through family and attorney's, aren't far from his core beliefs.

JMO

That's very confusing.

 

[katydid23]

According to my teen, this is typical of the TEEN culture and their peer environment.

I agree. MY DD as a teen used to post things that freaked me out. Then I would ask her and they would be lyrics from hip hop songs or lines from Sex and the City or some popular movie.

I am just saying that we should have the same grain of salt when we read GZ's old posts. It is only fair, imo.

 

[rotterdam]

That is a good question. Let me tell you this, as a parent I would be livid if I found out that the school (or someone there) made the decision to NOT tell me that my daughter A) had items that she could not say where they came from and B) drug residue and a pipe. I would be at the board of education in a heart beat. Let's not forget he was a juvenile and not an adult when it comes to that.

Yes, I would be livid too. But mostly, I would be more livid that any of that info was released to the media about a minor. And I would not rest till the culprit (s)that released that private info to media was removed from the school. Just a matter of principle.
Guess the Martins are a lot nicer than me.

 

[jaded cat]

BEM: Here's what he said, since we are referencing the 911 call as being what actually happened now:

GZ: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there's this real suspicious guy retreat view circle, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something -- he's just walking around, looking about..
Dispatcher: ... and this guy's white, black, or hispanic?
GZ: He looks black..
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
GZ: Yeah, a dark hoodie, like a gray hoodie and either jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. (unintelligible)..he's just staring
Dispatcher: Oh, he's just walking around the area?
GZ: Looking at all the houses

I kinda new to the area, not sure of my way around. What other way am I going to use to find my way home? Just because GZ SAID what he SAID, doesn't make it true. There are 1000s of definitions of real suspicious. What the hell is "looking around"? Only in GZ paranoid, profiling mind is that suspicious.

 

[vlpate]

NON-VIOLENT bad decisions UNLIKE GZ.

Is it not considered violent to break someone's nose and bash their head onto cement - and not letting them retreat?

 

[Phoenixfla]

Were any of those crimes violent? Does a bunch of young men spraying graffiti on a locker rise to the level of violent? Wow, I hung out with hoodlums in high school. Regular thugs, my HS band!

So you would be looking for someone to belong to a fight club or something to be considered violent?

 

[pcrum12]

IMO, NO! GZ is the defendent in this case and was LEGALLY an adult at that time.

I'm not saying you are wrong at all but I guess I have a different side of view when looking at a 17 yr old teenager. Most 17 yr old teenagers I've ever known act like, they know it all, defy authority at times, want to be treated like an adult, but act very immature doing it. lol. I'm not saying all, but ALOT. And our Juvenile Detention Center, Camps, Homes, etc. are just packed with teenagers that commit felony crimes and think they know it all and are INVINCIBLE. That is just my take on that, I'm sure not everyone's. Again, JMO.

In a case such as this, we have no idea what actually transpired in the critical moments leading up to the shooting. Therefore, IMO, it is crucial to look at the backgrounds of BOTH in order to make a fair judgement as to character. In weighing what evidence (witness statements) that has come forth so far, it is a mix as to who was on bottom and who was screaming for help. So far, to me, that's a wash. And as far as I recall, there has not been any witness to date that has stated they seen who STARTED the confrontation. Which brings me back to character. I believe character, will play a huge part of this trial no matter which is the deceased, which is of age, etc. All JMHO.

 

[Gaia713]

We don't know yet that TM was an innocent victim.

We know he was walking home. We know he was unarmed. He can never tell us his side of the story but GZ and his friends (who were not there) are sure telling a lot of stories and they keep changing. So who can stand up for TM. The justice system. An unarmed teen was killed by an adult who was carrying a concealed weapon. The only armor that TM had was his fists - not a fair fight with a gun.

 

[highflyer]

Maybe not to you, but if TM has a history of questionable decisions, he may have be perceived as more inclined to have initiated the physical altercation.

Questionable decisions? GZ has a history of questionable decisions. Documented. So using your logic GZ would be the one perceived as more inclined to have initiated the physical altercation. IMO

 

[BiancaS]

So are you saying that the information in the school files is FALSE? Because he was not arrested.


Zero tolerance is not the same thing as an automatic arrest. I wouold have thought he would have been arrested for spray painting curse words on school property and apparently he wasn't. He would have been arrested for that at our California HS because they DO arrest for graffitti on campus. But an empty pipe, not an automatic arrest.

I live in Florida, but I think in any State it would be against policy to release school records to a newspaper (especially for a juvenile!!). Funny how things just "leak out" in this case, isn't it?? So, no, I don't think the information in the records is false, I think the records are fake!!! Schools would NEVER open themselves up to that kind of liability. Nor would they take a "crime" into their own hands. The whole thing just stinks and I don't believe it for a second. MOO.

 

[mercuriod]

No, he doesn't. The operative word in that often referred to "about me" is "can". I dont know how many times I've heard someone say they have biker friends they can call to "take care" of this or that. Why would anyone go to jail for someone else for a year, that's sort of ludicrous unless you are in the Mafia.

JMO

Or a gang, happens all the time!

 

[sleonardelli]

Is it not considered violent to break someone's nose and bash their head onto cement - and not letting them retreat?

So I guess, in your opinion, that Trayvon had no right to defend himself! We don't even know if GZ was holding Trayvon to keep him from retreating. If those were Trayvon's screams as two professionals have indicated they weren't GZ's then perhaps he was trying to get away.

 

[Just K]

Another day and no documents released?

 

[sleonardelli]

So you would be looking for someone to belong to a fight club or something to be considered violent?

AFAIK, the YouTube account has NOT been AUTHENTICATED.

 

[Gaia713]

Is it not considered violent to break someone's nose and bash their head onto cement - and not letting them retreat?

We have only GZ's propaganda machine saying that. The injuries were not sufficient to require more than first aid. I've seen the head wounds and my 3-year-old scratched his head on a zipper of a hoodie and he bled more than that. I have heard many people say the calls for help came from a high pitched voice, and they were not GZ's voice patterns. TM is dead and cannot speak for himself. GZ admits to following TM AFTER being told not to do that. This is really a no-brainer. Until I see some PROOF THAT Gz HAD some serious injuries. The back of his jacket was damp and had debris on it. Did that happen when his head was ALLEGEDLY being bashed on the cement? If his head were being BASHED as he says, there would be far more serious injuries to it than the itty bitty scratches that were in the photo. TM has a hole in his chest. There was no bruising on GZ's head either in the pictures.

 

[magnolia]

Thank you. I still don't see anything in there that says its okay to throw out unfounded accusations about TM.

I have not read any unfounded accusations about TM.

If you're talking about comments made in regards to the jewelry found in his backpack, I don't think those comments are without basis. Why would a teenager be in possession of 12 pieces of women's jewelry, a watch, and a screwdriver that could be used as a burglary tool? :waitasec: You tell me...