17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #36

[suzihawk]

Interesting about Brandy Greene working there, I didn't know that, but it makes sense why she would call for him.

I don't think his worst fear was that he was dead, at least he didn't seem to be concerned about his safety the night before when he went to bed. I interpret the first two phone calls as a natural assumption given TM's background for getting into trouble. JMO

Parents always worry about their children's safety. And the worst fear a parent can have is fearing their child is dead.

 

[Velouria]

Some people have alluded to the fact that the prosecutor has her own political reasons for upping the charges, as a way to make up for the public anger against her in the minority community, for some of her past transgressions. Just sayin...

Okay, I'll bite. What people are those? :waitasec:

 

[flourish]

What about less than 24 hours later, upon learning that he'd been shot? She surely knew where he was then, right? Why did it take three weeks for her boyfriend's dad (who did not even know who she was) to make the connection and contact her? Did she tell her mom/dad about the dropped phone call and the overheard altercation the night before? If so, why did they not come forward sooner? No matter how it's framed, IMO the fact that she reportedly became a witness so late in the game is in need of a reasonable explanation. JMO

/bbm

I don't know for sure that any or all of the the bolded occurred or did not occur--until we're privy to more details on the timing, who contacted who when, who did or did not respond to contact attempts, etc., I'm choosing to give a compassionate benefit of any doubt I might have to the gf. I feel there are enough "bad guys" in this case that she needn't be made into one.

And no, I'm not implying that anyone here has some little list of "good guys" and "bad guys" along with a related secret agenda, I'm just explaining part of why I'm willing to let any discrepancies or oddities, perceived or real, in her story slide for the time being. Hope that makes sense.

 

[vlpate]

I thought the two eyewitnesses were named Crump and Officer Smith.


Four people sounds more authoritative than two people but if only two of the four are eyewitnesses it only counts as two people imo because they are the only ones with first hand information. Others are just repeating what they've heard from the witnesses so adding Crump and Smith to the mix doesn't add any weight.

I'll agree with you about adding Crump to the equation, to any equation, doesn't add any weight, but Smith was also there.

So there were two eyewitness who saw the guy in red being accosted, one eyewitness who noted on his police report, IIRC, GZ had on red, which confirms GZ had to have been the one being accosted.
So if they interviewed the teen and Jon that night, the self-defense would not have been hard to believe. IMO

Crump probably repeating what he heard.

 

[katydid23]

No, I haven't seen that it is questionable.

I have. JMO

 

[highflyer]

Of course as a loving mother, I would be sick at heart for a very long time if I lost my son this way. A sincere apology would help closure begin though. Now, if Sybrina is half the person she comes across as, then she knows that holding hatred in your heart will not allow healing. I don't believe she will choose to harbor hatred because that will affect everything she does for the rest of her life.
:moo::moo::moo:

It was not a sincere apology it was a repulsive display of selfishness.

 

[LinasK]

Not really sure how you can compare Anthony's Dad helping her hide a BODY right after the crime, with a plea deal 7 YEARS ago, that may or may not have been helped by his parents.

It was only alleged, never proved that George Anthony helped hide the body.

 

[suzihawk]

Are you positive about that? I'm pretty convinced she never went to the hospital.

You've stated that a couple of times. What do you base that opinion on?

 

[deelytful1]

Respectfully, I don't believe for one minute that GZ was forced to apologize. This case is in no way comparable to the Casey Anthony case, and MOM is in no way comparable to JB.

I think under the curcumstances, that "better late than never" fits much better.

:moo::moo::moo:

He wasn't forced...
He was eager to because he was scared as he!! that he was going to prison until the trial! He did it willingly and to save his own a$$
Moo Moo M...

 

[LambChop]

I'll agree with you about adding Crump to the equation, to any equation, doesn't add any weight, but Smith was also there.

So there were two eyewitness who saw the guy in red being accosted, one eyewitness who noted on his police report, IIRC, GZ had on red, which confirms GZ had to have been the one being accosted.
So if they interviewed the teen and Jon that night, the self-defense would not have been hard to believe. IMO

Crump probably repeating what he heard.

Only two witnesses saw them on the ground. TM was already lying face down when Officer Smith arrived. He's not an eyewitness. We all saw the video at headquarters so we know what GZ was wearing, including Crump. jmo

 

[songline]

What about less than 24 hours later, upon learning that he'd been shot? She surely knew where he was then, right? Why did it take three weeks for her boyfriend's dad (who did not even know who she was) to make the connection and contact her? Did she tell her mom/dad about the dropped phone call and the overheard altercation the night before? If so, why did they not come forward sooner? No matter how it's framed, IMO the fact that she reportedly became a witness so late in the game is in need of a reasonable explanation. JMO

/bbm

with this line of thinking - We think alike.
I am not counting on her story at all, it could have been helped along.

 

[LambChop]

He wasn't forced...
He was eager to because he was scared as he!! that he was going to prison until the trial! He did it willingly and to save his own a$$
Moo Moo M...

Not counting the...."Okay, I apologed.... now call off your big ole "kittens". jmo

 

[katydid23]

Okay, I'll bite. What people are those? :waitasec:

It has been talked about quite a bit. She is running for re-election, and some say she might be running for a higher political office next time.

Do you remember the hot mic before her first presser, where the reporters said it was politically motivated? There has been lots of talk about the anger against her previously, for the case she brought against the 12 yr old Hispanic boy, where she tried him as an adult. That case is still going on. She received a lot of public backlash for some of the cold hearted things she said. I posted some of the links and was criticized for being OT here.

But also she has been a very aggressive prosecutor, and a Republican, so she was very unpopular with the minority community, who accused her of being prejudiced. So no wonder she got rid of the Grand Jury and made this decision herself.

One of her critics is an female attorney from Jacksonville with the last named Johnson. She is on Larry Elders radio show quite often and I will try and find her name.

 

[LambChop]

with this line of thinking - We think alike.
I am not counting on her story at all, it could have been helped along.

If she was hospitalized as reported for hysteria, her doctor's report will reflect what happened. If she is telling the truth IMO it will be consistent. jmo

 

[zenreaper]

He wasn't forced...
He was eager to because he was scared as he!! that he was going to prison until the trial! He did it willingly and to save his own a$$
Moo Moo M...

Could you explain that? Has there been cases in the past where a REALLY sincere apology helped the accused get BAIL?

 

[LambChop]

It has been talked about quite a bit. She is running for re-election, and some say she might be running for a higher political office next time.

Do you remember the hot mic before her first presser, where the reporters said it was politically motivated? There has been lots of talk about the anger against her previously, for the case she brought against the 12 yr old Hispanic boy, where she tried him as an adult. That case is still going on. She received a lot of public backlash for some of the cold hearted things she said. I posted some of the links and was criticized for being OT here.

But also she has been a very aggressive prosecutor, and a Republican, so she was very unpopular with the minority community, who accused her of being prejudiced. So no wonder she got rid of the Grand Jury and made this decision herself.

One of her critics is an female attorney from Jacksonville with the last named Johnson. She is on Larry Elders radio show quite often and I will try and find her name.

This was assigned to her, wasn't it?

 

[vlpate]

I don't know for sure that any or all of the the bolded occurred or did not occur--until we're privy to more details on the timing, who contacted who

Crump told the world in his press conference who contacted whom. Tracy Martin contacted the girl after finding she had been the last to talk to TM while looking at his phone bill on 3/18. I've cited the press conference dozens of times here.

when, who did or did not respond to contact attempts, etc., I'm choosing to give a compassionate benefit of any doubt I might have to the gf. I feel there are enough "bad guys" in this case that she needn't be made into one.

No one is making her into a bad guy, she was contacted by Crump and Tracy, not the other way around. In my opinion, they needed her phone call to go exactly the way it did in order for the SYG law to not apply. Only if TM were the aggressor, would it apply. Without her phone call, it's GZ's alone.

And no, I'm not implying that anyone here has some little list of "good guys" and "bad guys" along with a related secret agenda, I'm just explaining part of why I'm willing to let any discrepancies or oddities, perceived or real, in her story slide for the time being. Hope that makes sense.

Fair enough

 

[deelytful1]

Because TM ran away. I do not usually perceive those running AWAY from me as a threat to me.

OMG! and again!! You are SO right!!! One does NOT usually perceive someone running away from them as a threat!!!!
Keep posting zen! You are making the case against GZ stronger!!

 

[katydid23]

This was assigned to her, wasn't it?

According to An attorney I heard on the radio, it was HANDED TO HER, so it would help her political aspirations. I am trying to find a link to it but it was on Larry Elder radio KABC by an attorney from Jacksonville Fla, last name Johnson.

 

[suzihawk]

I'll agree with you about adding Crump to the equation, to any equation, doesn't add any weight, but Smith was also there.

So there were two eyewitness who saw the guy in red being accosted, one eyewitness who noted on his police report, IIRC, GZ had on red, which confirms GZ had to have been the one being accosted.
So if they interviewed the teen and Jon that night, the self-defense would not have been hard to believe. IMO

Crump probably repeating what he heard.

Didn't Smith respond to a couple of Zimmerman's calls to the police when he was making all those calls. The same Smith that Frank Taafe told one of the many television hosts that George wanted him to share that he never knew or had met Smith before?