17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #36

[stilettos]

Do they cite any cases where this has happened before?

Good Lord. Most people (IMO) have seen internet and MSM discussions by defense attnys where they discuss having a defendant apologize in a bid for leniency. When I have time tomorrow I will go get some links. Unless people decide to go and look themselves. I need to go soak my head, all the "discussion" has given me an achy head.

 

[JBean]

Hang on a second please.
If you have written a post that is more about members than it is about the case-when I open the thread please take a moment to reflect and edit.

Think about it. if the topic of your post is members here as opposed to the case-it is not ok.

ETA: heck if you were rude edit that too please. Thanks in advance.

 

[zenreaper]

there are many, many people all over the interwebs congratulating George on shooting that , wanna be , etc. Someone on here just yesterday commented "it makes me sad he didn't shoot faster" and about how he should have been arrested as a criminal and then he wouldn't have been in a position to be shot and that maybe George did see him doing something another time and thus he really was one of those a$%holes that get away as he had the "beginnings of a career criminal". Yet, the only one with a criminal record and one for violence at that, is George Zimmerman, neighborhood hero to some.

And this is one of the few times on this web site where I see people trashing the victim, his family and his gf or friend, whatever she was and extolling the killer. That's everyone's choice-victim or killer-I just generally choose victim especially when it's a young boy gunned down for no reason by someone who was completely wrong about everything he thought about Trayvon and who failed to follow the instructions of police and who shot a person begging for his life despite having no life threatening injuries himself.

I will never get it, what people see in this guy that's at all worthy of respect. He has a history of violence and violent crime and brags about getting off and yet he's assumed to be some innocent victim of a young person who had no idea he even existed, who was walking home, who has no history of violence and who most certainly did not attack George Zimmerman. Yet, for some reason people, especially certain people, are all too willing to believe Trayvon was some violent criminal who just snapped while walking home and suddenly decided to, for the first time, attack someone and try to KILL him even though the guy has no apparent injuries on video 20 minutes later and whose shirt isn't even wrinkled. It's just absurd.

The inaccuracies in this post are great in number. There is no evidence WHO was begging for help, there is no evidence who attack who first, and there IS evidence of injuries to GZ.

 

[Karmady]

Well this is interesting to me. She's in, so I see this case becoming a major non-issue.

Plea to man or less, guaranteed. Which, imo, has been the plan all along. Only question remaining for me is whether O'Mara will recommend a plea or take it to an SYG prelim.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2759374/fla-prosecutor-in-martin-case.html#storylink=cpy

 

[wishuwerehere]

IF he is guilty, I agree, he should be punished. But what we currently KNOW as FACT does not point to that.

I will speak for me, and me only. The facts of this case, the little I have been privy to, shows me that Zimmerman is guilty. IMO that is one of the many reasons which makes this case so interesting. The same set of facts are laid before us, and we see it totally differently.

jmo

 

[zenreaper]

What ever happened to the good old fashioned fist fight where the playing field is level? Getting hit, if ol' GZ even did, does not warrant shooting an unarmed kid and with hollow point bullets! When GZ shot that gun, he knew it would kill Trayvon. IMO and all that.

I have asked this on other boards, and even on here, lets see if you can answer it. At what point IS it okay to make the decision that the person attacking you is going for a "kill" instead of a "maim"? And if you answer, also consider that the "line" has to be clear enough that an individual can make that determination while being beat upon.

 

[Karmady]

I have asked this on other boards, and even on here, lets see if you can answer it. At what point IS it okay to make the decision that the person attacking you is going for a "kill" instead of a "maim"? And if you answer, also consider that the "line" has to be clear enough that an individual can make that determination while being beat upon.

Actually, SYG applies even if the perp is "only" going for a maim.

 

[stilettos]

I have asked this on other boards, and even on here, lets see if you can answer it. At what point IS it okay to make the decision that the person attacking you is going for a "kill" instead of a "maim"? And if you answer, also consider that the "line" has to be clear enough that an individual can make that determination while being beat upon.

It appears to me, that GZ made a determination that he was going to kill someone when he loaded his gun with killer bullets, took the gun with him that night, took it when he got out of the truck and used it to kill TM. It does NOT appear to me that he was waiting to be attacked...he was on the offensive, IMO.

 

[Emeralgem]

The inaccuracies in this post are great in number. There is no evidence WHO was begging for help, there is no evidence who attack who first, and there IS evidence of injuries to GZ.

My :twocents: I saw the video of GZ arriving at the SPD within 30 minutes after he shot Trayvon Martin dead and I did not detect any injuries to his person...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

It appears to me, that GZ made a determination that he was going to kill someone when he loaded his gun with killer bullets, took the gun with him that night, took it when he got out of the truck and used it to kill TM. It does NOT appear to me that he was waiting to be attacked...he was on the offensive, IMO.

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IMHO..I'm inclined to believe everything you have just stated is the TRUTH and under those circumstances IMHO he should have been charged with... FIRST DEGREE MURDER...JMHO

 

[Aedrys]

I have asked this on other boards, and even on here, lets see if you can answer it. At what point IS it okay to make the decision that the person attacking you is going for a "kill" instead of a "maim"? And if you answer, also consider that the "line" has to be clear enough that an individual can make that determination while being beat upon.

I don't know that that distinction can be made. I mean, in a fight, it's not like a video game where you can pause the action, think about what's going to happen next, and then decide what to do next. Plus, he had a gun. There was no WAY Trayvon had a chance of killing GZ. Gun beats fists anytime. And GZ was a former bouncer, so he knows how to fight. I'm not buying that a former bouncer let some kid beat on him and then GZ got so scared he had to shoot and kill the kid. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Boytwnmom]

but...two different experts concluded it was NOT GZ and it WAS TM screaming for his life. He was also identified by his father and mother. So, yes, there IS evidence which you are free to ignore or disparage.

There is much evidence of who caused the encounter-the person following who did not wish another a$%hole to get away and who took his weapon to follow a teenager walking home despite already knowing the police were on the way to stop this scary guy from... getting home I guess. GZ has a history of violence and some may say, paranoia, as exhibited by the numerous 911 calls. TM had no idea GZ even existed-he was walking home talking to his girlfriend, thought some guy was following him and then said he had lost him so it seems he had stopped to continue the conversation prior to returning home. It is then that GZ pops up AGAIN and, IMO attempts to prevent Trayvon from leaving so he can present this dangerous criminal to police when they arrive and be a big hero. So, since he still assumed TM is a criminal when TM resists he goes for his gun. When TM sees the gun he freaks out-that's likely when GZ slipped and fell and scratched his head or something. Then GZ straddles him, IMO, frisking him to find his robbery loot and weapon, but alas, there isn't any evidence of crime and so then the spin begins. New story needed ASAP. Then it was Trayvon jumped him, bashed his head, tried to suffocate him...gee, all this for some guy TM had never seen before and despite TM having no history of fighting or violence or insanity.

GZ's injuries were, in the words of a fellow poster, less then what she gets from shaving her legs. He appeared unbloodied, unscathed and not even wrinkled or with his shirt out of his pants less then 25 minutes later. Not buying the injury story.

Smoke and mirrors is all I see. What I know if that if GZ were legitimately just concerned about who TM was all he had to do was roll down his window and ask while he was on the phone with the dispatcher. Why wouldn't he do that? He's the adult, the neighborhood watchman. Trayvon is a teenager-ask him a question fgs. No, he'd rather follow him with a gun because that really makes the neighborhood so much safer.

The inaccuracies in this post are great in number. There is no evidence WHO was begging for help, there is no evidence who attack who first, and there IS evidence of injuries to GZ.

 

[vlpate]

Well this is interesting to me. She's in, so I see this case becoming a major non-issue.

Plea to man or less, guaranteed. Which, imo, has been the plan all along. Only question remaining for me is whether O'Mara will recommend a plea or take it to an SYG prelim.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2759374/fla-prosecutor-in-martin-case.html#storylink=cpy

No one stepped up to challenge her, wow.

My selfish side wants to see a trial, I want it all to come out. I don't know how I feel about a plea bargain.

 

[Karmady]

I don't know that that distinction can be made. I mean, in a fight, it's not like a video game where you can pause the action, think about what's going to happen next, and then decide what to do next. Plus, he had a gun. There was no WAY Trayvon had a chance of killing GZ. Gun beats fists anytime. And GZ was a former bouncer, so he knows how to fight. I'm not buying that a former bouncer let some kid beat on him and then GZ got so scared he had to shoot and kill the kid. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

bbm~

It makes absolute sense to me that George didn't want to shoot Trayvon until he had no choice. There is uncontroverted evidence of a physical altercation that lasted WAY longer than it would have if a person with a gun was jonesing to kill someone. There is eyewitness testimony that the dude in red, George, was on the bottom calling for help. And it is undisputed that the gunshot didn't happen before they were on the ground or even after a few seconds of a physical skirmish. Imo, it's entirely consistent with the evidence so far that George did NOT want to shoot this kid and let it go as far as he reasonably could before using deadly force. I'm open to being proven wrong about that, but, imo, it's far from a foregone conclusion.

 

[Just K]

I have asked this on other boards, and even on here, lets see if you can answer it. At what point IS it okay to make the decision that the person attacking you is going for a "kill" instead of a "maim"? And if you answer, also consider that the "line" has to be clear enough that an individual can make that determination while being beat upon.

George was a hefty adult male, he worked out and he was once a bouncer...so one would think he might have found a better way to resolve any physical altercation. He outweighed Trayvon, at that time, by at least 30 lbs. From the way GZ makes it sound Trayvon was friggin Superman...

This argument does not hold water with this Southern born citizen. If there even was an elbow or a fist thrown, it sounds like GZ should have fought back but not with a gun and hollow point bullets...that is just ovekill, IMO and all that.

 

[Just K]

Actually, SYG applies even if the perp is "only" going for a maim.

Well maybe it shouldn't.

 

[mommakk51]

I have not seen ANYONE applauding the killing of TM. Many of us are DEFENDING the persecution of who we see an an innocent individual, and even MORE of us are defending the persecution of a man before all of the evidence is known.

:yourock:

 

[deelytful1]

I will speak for me, and me only. The facts of this case, the little I have been privy to, shows me that Zimmerman is guilty. IMO that is one of the many reasons which makes this case so interesting. The same set of facts are laid before us, and we see it totally differently.

jmo

This is a great post.
You're absolutely right...

 

[Nore]

Orlando Sentinel
5/3/2012 6:41pm

The SOURCE said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-03/news/os-trayvon-martin-circles-george-zimmerman-20120503_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-source-police-department

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How very interesting that we were discussing George's many statements & whether or not they differed from each other earlier today and then this article comes out tonight that says his police statements didn't change in his accounting of the killing!! From a "source"!! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Baez had people infiltrating blogs to figure out how to defend his murder client so no doubt O’Mara is too jmo (article below). I wonder if Amy Singer is working for O'Mara? Think I'll be keeping certain ideas to myself from now on, just sayin'.


"When bloggers and others in social media sites started to attack George Anthony about his alleged mistress, the defense team beefed up their questions against him," said Fort Lauderdale-based consultant Amy Singer. "None of the bloggers ever changed their minds about him."

The innovative pro-bono tactic by Singer shows how social media sites like Facebook and Twitter could revolutionize the way lawyers defend their clients, especially in highly-publicized cases like the Casey Anthony murder trial."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-07-13/business/os-casey-anthony-social-media-strateg20110713_1_media-si:moo:tes-casey-anthony-cindy-anthony

:moo:

I always said we should learn to use reverse psychology. We'd really throw them for a roll.:floorlaugh: :moo: :Banane35:

 

[stilettos]

I have not seen ANYONE applauding the killing of TM. Many of us are DEFENDING the persecution of who we see an an innocent individual, and even MORE of us are defending the persecution of a man before all of the evidence is known.

IMO, there is nothing remotely innocent about GZ or his actions. The only persecuted individual is the one profiled for how he LOOKED and then killed.