17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #9

[annalia]

Yeah that comment sounds like what someone with a gun would say. I also have my suspicions that GZ was reaching for a gun and not his cell phone.

my bolding

I do too.

This is all GZ's account. And again, what other things could he possibly have told police other than it was all self defense? He knew that the boy he just shot could no longer dispute anything he said.

JMHO

 

[Dr.Fessel]

How bout if the boy never was on top of Mr. Zimmerman? How bout if he was simply walking or running down a sidewalk going home and was accosted by a wannabe cop with a drawn, loaded, and COCKED cheap little gun pointed directly at his chest?

Think it might be human nature for a 6' tall kid to make a grab for a little man's little gun in an effort to save his own life?

Which makes the most sense, considering the location and position the body was found in, this possible scenario or Zimmerman's lame stories?

Exactly, Zimmerman is a coward. He would have never turned that corner in the dark looking for a black male who he thought was armed without having his gun out. IMO

 

[LambChop]

CLOSE UP

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That is on top of his head. Banging his head on the cement the injury would be on the back of his head. Plus the spot is dark which could be hair it's very hard to tell. jmo

 

[daisy7]

You may be referring to his interview with with MSNBC's Russell O'Donnell. O'Donnell tore him up.

Lawrence O'Donnell EVISCERATES George Zimmerman 'friend' Joe Oliver. Part I. - YouTube

Thanks for posting this. I'm just at the beginning of the vid., but he says he's currently not working because of what he is doing for GZ. That makes absolutely no sense to me!!

 

[Marshmallow]

Tray could have had his hands in front and on the gun trying to push it away. I do think there was struggle for the gun and Tray stopped the slide from loading the next bullet in the chamber. GZ crawled away from him by pushing him up slightly and Tray's arms did not move. JMO

then how was Mr Zimmerman's shirt front not totally covered in Mr Martin's blood?

 

[SuziQ]

Hoods are actually banned in a number of places.

One of our local banks has a sign on their door that says "no hoodies".

That sign has been there for years. IMO it is not racial. It's so if something does go down, the security camera can capture faces. Not possible with a big hood.

Our school handbook has always said no hoods up. Ever.

One of my banks has a sign that says no masks, no hats and no sunglasses.

As part of the profession I was in I've witnessed and reviewed many bank robberies. Most robbers I've seen wear hats and sunglasses.

 

[songline]

Interesting that this particular version with its details comes out now. How long has GZ's dad been talking to the press now? Couple of weeks? and yet this story, which miraculously answers all our questions (NOT) comes out now, not then.Almost like someone is monitoring the internet and the sticking points for many of us in this case.

I imagine there are more details we still do not know, but once the Police had been shamed, they are trying to save face and are leaking some parts just to save face and look better.
There is no way this case can ever look better. A full investigation should have been made immediately.

 

[lisalei321]

That is on top of his head. Banging his head on the cement the injury would be on the back of his head. Plus the spot is dark which could be hair it's very hard to tell. jmo

I think it looks like hair growing in as well. JMO

 

[Concerned Papa]

All I can seem to get hold of outside the blogosphere is that ABC bit that discussed GZ listing his father as a Magistrate Judge, and the state of VA coming back saying he was simply a magistrate.

Bloggers have latched onto the phrase "former Orange County magistrate judge", but there's an Orange Co in both VA and FL. It seems to be very difficult to work out just where the father worked, and in what capacity.

There are rumblings not just about Dad hamstringing the arrest, but also the thing that made GZ's three previous arrests go away and by extension, the thing that allowed him to legally posess a handgun.

Heck, I'd settle for knowing how George Zimmerman got to be CAPTAIN George in a Home Owner's Association where he wasn't even an OWNER!

I promise you, any renter in my community, walking around at night with a loaded gun had best be ready to go to jail.

 

[Netzilla]

Thank you, I was just wondering since there was a discussion in one of the threads about how the gun was found, in that there was a full clip but there was not a bullet in the chamber, which should automatically happen when the gun is fired (If I am getting this wrong please excuse, I know very little about guns) So, either the gun misfired somehow and no bullet got chambered or GZ was cool enough to secure his gun by taking a bullet out of the chamber and reloading it into his clip?

That all just sounds bizarre to me, IMO JMHO and stuff

If there was not a round in the chamber and there was a struggle over the gun my GUESS would be that the clip was disengaged somehow during the fight for the weapon so that no round was available to be chambered. There is a button that releases the clip, if that is pushed the clip will drop down so no bullets available after the gun is fired.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Here are few examples of bank signs.

Here are a few examples of bank robbers wearing hoods:

As you can see, those who are robbing, are wearing the hood to hide the face.
That's why hoods are not allowed in many banks.

JMO

 

[Isabelle]

That is on top of his head. Banging his head on the cement the injury would be on the back of his head. Plus the spot is dark which could be hair it's very hard to tell. jmo

Agreed, and you would think GZ would have injuries to his neck if the injury was at the top of his head. I saw what I thought was a shadow that cleared as light hit the area. No injuries, until photos prove same.

 

[songline]

then how was Mr Zimmerman's shirt front not totally covered in Mr Martin's blood?

From what I am seeing/reading there was not much blood on either of them,
that too is unusual. I imagine a gunshot produces a lot of blood, I know a broken nose sure does.

It only leavs me with more questions.

 

[Sensei]

Exactly, Zimmerman is a coward. He would have never turned that corner in the dark looking for a black male who he thought was armed without having his gun out. IMO

I thought at first that maybe GZ had grabbed TM arm or in some way attempted to detain him when the scuffle broke out. I am now toying with the idea and it seems to fit, that instead of grabbing him to attempt to detain him GZ pulled his gun and TM felt that he had no option but to fight.

The lack of major injuries and the position of TM's body lead me to believe that the gun was out and being pointed at TM, and the scuffle was a desperate attempt to wrestle it away or get it pointed away from him, accounting for a short scuffle in which GZ did not even get his shirt untucked because it was short and ended with TM being shot. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

If there was not a round in the chamber and there was a struggle over the gun my GUESS would be that the clip was disengaged somehow during the fight for the weapon so that no round was available to be chambered. There is a button that releases the clip, if that is pushed the clip will drop down so no bullets available after the gun is fired.

LOL I keep thinking there might be a little injury on Zimmerman's nose or edge of nose from the slide of the gun coming back and whacking him.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

From what I am seeing/reading there was not much blood on either of them,
that too is unusual. I imagine a gunshot produces a lot of blood, I know a broken nose sure does.

It only leavs me with more questions.

A 9mm gun shot to the chest may or may not produce a lot of external blood.

 

[MaryAnn]

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for GZ to have a bruise on the top of his head TM would have had to have been holding him up by his feet and dropping his head to the ground.

The injury does NOT match his testimony. He would have had gashes at the bottom and complete back of his head, not at the top. It looks like hair to me.

 

[Concerned Papa]

If there was not a round in the chamber and there was a struggle over the gun my GUESS would be that the clip was disengaged somehow during the fight for the weapon so that no round was available to be chambered. There is a button that releases the clip, if that is pushed the clip will drop down so no bullets available after the gun is fired.

While that's certainly a possibility, it's also possible that a hand wrapped around the gun from the top would prevent the slide mechanism from fully engaging to eject the spent shell and/or load a fresh one from the magazine.

 

[LambChop]

Yes. No hoods up.
Hides the face.

Same as, "No shirt, no shoes, no service". No one seems to have a problem with that when entering a restaurant. jmo

 

[songline]

That is on top of his head. Banging his head on the cement the injury would be on the back of his head. Plus the spot is dark which could be hair it's very hard to tell. jmo

I see your point... however it depends on his position what if his head was just about at the side walk, then he can get the bruised on top. (I hope I am clear).
If you enlarge it is not hair at all it is a bruise.

I think there was definitely an altercation. But not sure it was not exaggerated.