2 Students Sue High School Over Confederate Flag Ban

[Nova]

Just a comment about the "average Joe." Isn't this why WVA was formed? The Civil War was also economic. Western Virginia (WVA) was the poor country cousin of VA, an economic reason to forego ties to the South.

West Virginia was indeed formed out of those Virginian counties that refused to secede. And, yes, they refused to do so at least in part because their economies weren't particularly dependent on slave labor. But also because they had long felt neglected by the richer areas east of the Appalachians. Such a secession has been tried (before and after) in other states. The difference in the 1860s was that the West Virginia counties had the support of the federal government.

I think it's too simplistic to say either "the Civil War was fought solely to free or keep the slaves," or "the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery." Slavery as an institution (as well as opposition to it) was so ingrained in American life that it pretty much influenced everything and everyone's thinking. But as always happens, economics also had much to do with the conflict.

 

[CyberLaw]

Hey, why don't these girls wear a symbol of the NAZI flag, and then claim: Hey,by no means do we endorse the killing of people based on religion, this flag was "like way" popular before the NAZI and is a "fashion" symbol. Just because people associate the flag with Hitler, we don't. We just want to promote the symbol because we think it is like way cool.

To me when I think of Confederate I think of killing and enslaving people based on the colour of their skin. I really don't think the "proud" history of the south is in fact a confederate flag. Nor a noose..........

Hey better yet, have these little girls we "black" pan makeup to school, after all it just an expression. Then have a mock hanging at lunch, of course claiming a "historical" lesson was being taught and they are within their legal right for doing so.......

Please........I would be very concerned about these girls and their homelife, friends and especially their parents and their views.

 

[Nova]

i wouldnt bet the farm on that hun. i really think the war would have come sooner or later. slavery was the easiest issue to get the common man up in arms over but i am sure that those who saw the need for the war would have found a issue if slavery was not available.

That's hard to say, sherri. Agricultural and industrial economies among the Northern and Western states managed to remain united, despite instances of conflict that continue even today.

Without slavery as such a wedge issue, it may be the North and South would have found common cause outweighed their differences.

 

[Linda7NJ]

"DALLAS — Two high school students sent home for carrying purses depicting the Confederate flag filed a lawsuit against their suburban Fort Worth school district Friday, claiming their free speech rights were violated."


I say hand them their purses! If it's free speach they want give it to them! Let's send them on a little road trip with their little purses to the nearest "hood"!

 

[2sisters]

Hey, why don't these girls wear a symbol of the NAZI flag, and then claim: Hey,by no means do we endorse the killing of people based on religion, this flag was "like way" popular before the NAZI and is a "fashion" symbol. Just because people associate the flag with Hitler, we don't. We just want to promote the symbol because we think it is like way cool.

To me when I think of Confederate I think of killing and enslaving people based on the colour of their skin. I really don't think the "proud" history of the south is in fact a confederate flag. Nor a noose..........

Hey better yet, have these little girls we "black" pan makeup to school, after all it just an expression. Then have a mock hanging at lunch, of course claiming a "historical" lesson was being taught and they are within their legal right for doing so.......
The swastika and confederate flag are different. I know people who have confederate things who are not racist. Anyone who lives in the south understands that.

Please........I would be very concerned about these girls and their homelife, friends and especially their parents and their views.

I would not expect you to understand and I completly expect you to think anyone who displays confederate flags to be ignorant racist, Canada is a long way from the deep south...

 

[heavenlydaze]

The C flag was also used as a logo for the Lynyrd Skynyrd Band, which they have long dropped. Even Skynyrd realized that in this day and age, it is inappropriate.

For years, they performed in front of this flag:

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But here's part of an article in Glide Magazine by Ross Warner:
http://www.thrasherswheat.org/jammin/skynyrd.htm


"The band performing in front of a giant Confederate flag has not helped Lynyrd Skynyrd shake the image of "racists rednecks".
• "The band had serious reservations about the label they were tagged with. Particularly troubling was the Confederate flag that often hung behind the stage. In 1975, Van Zant mused, "That was strictly an MCA [record label] gimmick to start us off with some label. It was useful at first, but by now it's embarrassing except in Europe, where they really like all that stuff because they think it's macho American."
• The "stars and bars" that eventually began popping up in the band's crowds became more than embarrassing. It was bad enough to be portrayed as ignorant hayseeds. It was entirely another to be categorized as racist."

 

[2sisters]

I just guess I ignore it since I know, like I said, many people who use that flag and they certainly aren't racists and don't belong to the KKK. Everything is all so racial anymore.

 

[sherri79]

The C flag was also used as a logo for the Lynyrd Skynyrd Band, which they have long dropped. Even Skynyrd realized that in this day and age, it is inappropriate.

For years, they performed in front of this flag:

<p>

But here's part of an article in Glide Magazine by Ross Warner:
http://www.thrasherswheat.org/jammin/skynyrd.htm


"The band performing in front of a giant Confederate flag has not helped Lynyrd Skynyrd shake the image of "racists rednecks".
&#8226; "The band had serious reservations about the label they were tagged with. Particularly troubling was the Confederate flag that often hung behind the stage. In 1975, Van Zant mused, "That was strictly an MCA [record label] gimmick to start us off with some label. It was useful at first, but by now it's embarrassing except in Europe, where they really like all that stuff because they think it's macho American."
&#8226; The "stars and bars" that eventually began popping up in the band's crowds became more than embarrassing. It was bad enough to be portrayed as ignorant hayseeds. It was entirely another to be categorized as racist."

i would worry more about their image being associated with. child molesters. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312368,00.html

 

[heavenlydaze]

i would worry more about their image being associated with. child molesters. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312368,00.html

Yep. Pyle was an oddball, but he left the band 16 yrs ago ('92). Their current drummer is Michael Cartellon who's been with them since 1998. WS had a thread about it...http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56482

 

[Nova]

I just guess I ignore it since I know, like I said, many people who use that flag and they certainly aren't racists and don't belong to the KKK. Everything is all so racial anymore.

You're right that the flag means different things to different people, of course. But "everything" (at least in this country) has been "all so racial" for hundreds of years. We just acknowledge it more nowadays.