2 unrepentant about selling Katrina gift

[windovervocalcords]

Sure it does! And, you're right! They've learned to mistrust and pay attorneys.

I guess you can say that's a good thing? maybe? somehow?

I thought you were a student of the topic of karma.

 

[Karole28]

I thought you were a student of the topic of karma.

And...?

 

[windovervocalcords]

And...?

What do you think it means in this situation?

 

[Karole28]

What do you think it means in this situation?

Umm...no. That's not the way this works. We're not playing word association with me guessing what you mean.

I don't think my view of karma is that hard to figure out from the posts I've made thus far. You can noodle it out, I'm sure of it.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Umm...no. That's not the way this works. We're not playing word association with me guessing what you mean.

I don't think my view of karma is that hard to figure out from the posts I've made thus far. You can noodle it out, I'm sure of it.

Never mind. I thought you were interested in a serious dialogue. My mistake.

 

[Karole28]

Never mind. I thought you were interested in a serious dialogue. My mistake.

Oh. Is that what you call it?


I am always interested in serious dialogue (it's why I come here). I just didn't recognize that in your post.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Oh. Is that what you call it?


I am always interested in serious dialogue (it's why I come here). I just didn't recognize that in your post.

I asked a question. Questions are a part of serious dialogue. Yes?

 

[Dark Knight]

Ok, children, behave yourselves before I have to call mom!

 

[Karole28]

I asked a question. Questions are a part of serious dialogue. Yes?

No..

I thought you were a student of the topic of karma.

Is not a question.

 

[Karole28]

Ok, children, behave yourselves before I have to call mom!

She's not the bossa me!

 

[windovervocalcords]

Perhaps it is best to drop the karma topic. I am asking questions about what you think karma is because I suspect we understand the meaning of karma differently.

 

[Karole28]

Perhaps it is best to drop the karma topic. I am asking questions about what you think karma is because I suspect we understand the meaning of karma differently.

Ahh. I believe true karma can be earned through righteous and unselfish acts.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Ahh. I believe true karma can be earned through righteous and unselfish acts.

I would not call that "true" karma, maybe "positive" karma. I would say that you are more describing virtue, and what is earned from practicing virtue, merit.

I would more describe karma as "cause and effect". For every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.

A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by attachment, aversion/resistance or ignorance/delusion; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things.

Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events (thoughts) that occur with them. Therefore, motivation is important. From the sounds of things, the Church had mixed motivation. They wanted to help which is positive and they had expectations of gratitude which is neutral to negative.

It is motivation I am addressing alot in my previous posts. Most karma is mixed karma. Positive and negative motivations combined. When we examine our minds we see this more easily.

Now, I was talking about this topic of the Church giving away the house to a Katrina couple and the friend said this:

"I can see why they had to leave the community. Can you imagine living for the rest of your life with the congregation looking over your shoulder to see if you are expressing enough gratitude?"

If it is true, that the Church may have not understood it's own mixed motivation, then one could say that this unfortunate event could potentially purify that small negativity especially if it is recieved in a positive light.

 

[Anngelique]

I started reading this thread when it was first posted and was surprised at how many said it was given to them so what. I guess my problem was they lied to get said house. They said they loved the area and the kids were wanting to start school and they wanted to make a new start in THIS community. They also said they were married and there are conflicting stories on whether they're married or not. There was a lot said that turned out to be false and just said to be the ones chosen for this gift. I agree the church should have made a more legal contract on who got the home BUT this family flat out was devious and as far as I'm concerned were nothing short of con artists running a con or scam. I feel very, very bad for the generous members of this church who thought they were really helping a family move into their neighborhood and probably go to their church. It was a huge slap in their face that they were lied to.

 

[Dark Knight]

It isn't about showing gratitude, it's the pretenses under which the house was procured. Their actions would make ME suspicious of their motives, as well. It would most people. They were less than honest with the church about their needs/wants. But, some people will never have sympathy for a church, either. Sad but true.

 

[Buzz Mills]

I started reading this thread when it was first posted and was surprised at how many said it was given to them so what. I guess my problem was they lied to get said house. They said they loved the area and the kids were wanting to start school and they wanted to make a new start in THIS community. They also said they were married and there are conflicting stories on whether they're married or not. There was a lot said that turned out to be false and just said to be the ones chosen for this gift. I agree the church should have made a more legal contract on who got the home BUT this family flat out was devious and as far as I'm concerned were nothing short of con artists running a con or scam. I feel very, very bad for the generous members of this church who thought they were really helping a family move into their neighborhood and probably go to their church. It was a huge slap in their face that they were lied to.

They are nothing but con artists, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Dark Knight]

I started reading this thread when it was first posted and was surprised at how many said it was given to them so what. I guess my problem was they lied to get said house. They said they loved the area and the kids were wanting to start school and they wanted to make a new start in THIS community. They also said they were married and there are conflicting stories on whether they're married or not. There was a lot said that turned out to be false and just said to be the ones chosen for this gift. I agree the church should have made a more legal contract on who got the home BUT this family flat out was devious and as far as I'm concerned were nothing short of con artists running a con or scam. I feel very, very bad for the generous members of this church who thought they were really helping a family move into their neighborhood and probably go to their church. It was a huge slap in their face that they were lied to.

Exactly. You get it.

 

[Karole28]

Now, I was talking about this topic of the Church giving away the house to a Katrina couple and the friend said this:

"I can see why they had to leave the community. Can you imagine living for the rest of your life with the congregation looking over your shoulder to see if you are expressing enough gratitude?"

If it is true, that the Church may have not understood it's own mixed motivation, then one could say that this unfortunate event could potentially purify that small negativity especially if it is recieved in a positive light.

We disagree on karma and virtue. I believe you can possess virtue and be virtuous, but it's not the same as karma.


Your friend's reaction is a reflection on them. And, that's sad. I'm thinking they must have had a bad experience with a church for this to be their impression.

You cannot in good concience question the church's motivation in this?

 

[Dark Knight]

They are nothing but con artists, nothing more, nothing less.

That's exactly what they are. Unrepentant con artists. Most people would feel the same way the church did if treated that way personally.

 

[Hez]

I have a feeling when this couple was interviewed by the Church they didn't say "We really need this house, but don't like this area, so we plan to sell it right away (hopefully at a profit) and move to New Orleans." Based on their horrible attitude ("Take it up with God" ), it is my opinion they preyed on the congregation's generosity and conned a truly needy family out of a home. I hope they get their just desserts. :slap: