2008.07.15 Revisiting the 911 Calls

[PaddieAB]

I pulled the following from a more lengthy post of mine on the July 15 sticky thread:

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Now Cindy wants some answers. She is angry and confused, and Casey is not giving her a story that makes sense. They drive to a police station, and from the parking lot Cindy makes the first 911 call. She also calls George. George calls Lee and asks him to head over to their house to help Cindy get to the bottom of whatever is going on. Cindy drives back to the home with Casey - Lee is already there.

Cindy makes a second 911 call. Continues trying to talk to Casey and get some answers. George heads home from work. Cindy leaves the room and Lee tries talking to her. It is then that Casey mentions the kidnapping story which Cindy overhears. She rushes in, gets more information from Casey, and goes into a panic. I submit that this is the point where Cindy first puts two and two together.

She calls 911 again, this time mentioning the car smell and missing baby, and George happens to walk in on the call.


Remember, this was a huge, emotional day for the parents, all of it starting with the discovery that the Pontiac had been towed to an impound lot over two weeks prior.

Thanks for posting that scenario and it does make sense.

One of the disadvantages of OT single threads is that focus it put on small snips and pieces, and circumstances leading up to those events are overlooked. I felt a twinge of pity for CA when her mother mentioned CA had planned to go away for a week’s vacation during those 31 days, and instead CA stayed home waiting everyday, because Casey had continually promised to bring Caylee over to visit the next day, and then the next.....

In addition to the impounded car, the smell in the trunk, and some of Caylee’s belongings being in the car, emotions were surely high.

 

[trac]

looking back over, this sentence, from both the second and third calls: (cindy) "my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today."

even in hindsight, i find it very curious that she uses the word "missing" instead of saying "my daughter has been avoiding me"

i would love to hear some other thoughts on this.

That is interesting - so she is saying that CASEY has been missing for a month not Caylee? I wonder if Casey gave a long story how she and Caylee were held hostage and Zani let Casey go and kept Caylee - I wonder if this is how it started out

 

[maza]

Another thing that puzzles...CA said KC had stolen the car June 30. Why would she say this? What am I missing? At first I glossed over this, thinking she was saying that to get the police out to her house. Thoughts?

it was a ploy. in theory, it would have worked if Caylee was still alive. "if you don't get your a$$ over here and bring Caylee, I'll call the cops and tell them the car was stolen." if the car had truly been stolen 2 weeks earlier, they would have reported it then.

 

[LancelotLink]

Maybe they thought someone at the tow yard was going to report the smell in the car to the police...maybe they were already covering for Casey and that's why they reported the car "stolen"???? They don't actually say she stole it, do they???

Yes, I believe they did, according to the transcripts:

# Cindy: For stealing an auto and stealing money. I already spoke with someone they said they would patch me through the Orlando, umm, Sheriff's Department have a deputy here. I was in the car, I was going to drive her to the police station and no ones open. They said they would bring a deputy to my home. When I got home to call them.

# Dispatch: So she stole your vehicle?

# Cindy: Yes.

# Dispatch: When did she do that?

# Cindy: Umm on the 30th.

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/caylee_911calls.htm

 

[yolorado]

Maybe they thought someone at the tow yard was going to report the smell in the car to the police...maybe they were already covering for Casey and that's why they reported the car "stolen"???? They don't actually say she stole it, do they???

If she doesn't actually say Casey stole the car, my impression was that it was strongly implied. I ABSOLUTELY took it that she intended to have the police understand that wanted KC arrested for stealing her car. I don't think she really intended to have her arrested but instead meant to scare KC into taking her to Caylee. I never got that she intended to convey that someone else had taken the car.

 

[PaddieAB]

looking back over, this sentence, from both the second and third calls: (cindy) "my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today."

even in hindsight, i find it very curious that she uses the word "missing" instead of saying "my daughter has been avoiding me"

i would love to hear some other thoughts on this.

I think she used the word "missing" because "my daughter has been avoiding me" is not a police matter at all. Adults daughters have every right to avoid their mothers, if they so choose. That includes withholding their children from seeing the grandparents.

Therefore I believe Cindy worded what she said so she would be taken seriously.

 

[donnam]

After listening again to the 911 call
http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html
I noticed something I had not before. When KC speaks to dispatch, she tells them she received a call from "Zani" that day, "from number that is no longer in service."
Didn't she tell LA and LE that the number came through as a private number?

Yes.....

 

[LancelotLink]

What has been bothering me a lot lately is how CA described the 2nd phone call as deliberately exaggerated, and that she was doing anything she could to get the police there faster. She claimed she exaggerated the information about the smell and was deliberately sounding hysterical.

Of course most believe she was rewriting history and she was truly hysterical and suspected her daughter. I believe that, and I also have come to believe the comment that RP, CAs brother said, that CA's not the brightest lightbulb on the tree. She's passionate, stubborn, and has a unbalanced sense of entitlement, according to one psychological profile I have been hearing on YouTube.

Considering all these most recent twists and turns, I think it's LA the parents are trying to protect. I suspect is has something to do with Zanny--as in Xanny (Xanax) and the brother and sisters "work" as was alluded to in the jail house calls between LA and KC. They don't want to lose their last child to prison. But now they have to protect themselves with the immunity angle.

:chicken:

I agree. CA trying to say she was deliberately hysterical or exaggerated any information is a load of twaddle.

That woman was distraught.

 

[LancelotLink]

looking back over, this sentence, from both the second and third calls: (cindy) "my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today."

even in hindsight, i find it very curious that she uses the word "missing" instead of saying "my daughter has been avoiding me"

i would love to hear some other thoughts on this.

I think she said missing, meaning MIA. LA said the same thing (MIA) in his initial report to LE. MIA sounds more to me as "lying low, hiding out or avoiding the family."

 

[LancelotLink]

Yep, her statements are riddled with these little inconsistencies. The devil is all over her details. When the police tell her the apt where she'd said she left Caylee on the 9th was vacant, suddendly she didn't leave her at the apt, she left her in the stairwell. At Universal, the cops go through every lie she told and get her to admit to most of them, then later when a policeman asks her about work, she snaps right back into telling the same lies that have already been discounted. She's a pip.

I noticed that as well. She is definitely a seat of the pants kind of liar. Not a very good one, but a consistent liar.

 

[Spitfire4ever]

I noticed that as well. She is definitely a seat of the pants kind of liar. Not a very good one, but a consistent liar.

:rotfl: Thanks, needed that!

 

[DotsEyes]

GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

Actually if you include the 15th of July as one day then count back the 31 days goes to June 15th. We've been over this time and again. One poster even has the calander as their signature. (I also just went back and counted again, for the upteenth time)

Also, the sign in sheet at the nursing home had CA's signature with her and Caylee's names on the 15th of June. As well as CA's mother's e-mail dated electronically from that day telling her sister that Cindy and Caylee visited that day.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

I also notice Casey spews things out like, "I don't know where my daughter is" because technically, in her crazy head, she doesn't. She could have washed away, etc. and for her purpose, she doesn't really know at that moment where she is. Another example, "I haven't seen my daughter in 31 days." This statement was said many times. And think about it, in her mind, it's the truth. She probably hadn't seen her since she dumped her body in the woods so yeah, technically.....what a freak.

 

[LancelotLink]

:rotfl: Thanks, needed that!

Anytime!

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

Plus...wasn't by the time she was questioned it really the 16th. I might be wrong but I thought it was around midnight or early am on the 16th that the questioning went on.

 

[JBean]

GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

Hi Dot. actually it depends on where you count from.It is 16 days from June 15 to June 30 and 15 days from July 1 to July 15. That is 31 days. Now if we start at the 16th of June it is 30 days to the 15th. But the way you and I count is actually case in point, that people can actually count a starting day or an ending day as they choose which will throw off the count. This can work for or against KC.
So, imo the discrepancy between the 15th and the 16th makes the differnce between 30 and 31 days.

IN the first doc dump, LE confirmed the video as being from the 15th. They can tell if a date has been changed or if something has been altered, that is the point of having a computer expert.IIRC, the home also confirmed that they were ther the 15th.

 

[JBean]

Actually if you include the 15th of July as one day then count back the 31 days goes to June 15th. We've been over this time and again. One poster even has the calander as their signature. (I also just went back and counted again, for the upteenth time)

Also, the sign in sheet at the nursing home had CA's signature with her and Caylee's names on the 15th of June. As well as CA's mother's e-mail dated electronically from that day telling her sister that Cindy and Caylee visited that day.

zackly.

 

[impatientredhead]

I agree with your post, Superllama I don't think they went into cover up mode from the beginning. I listened to these 911 calls. My heart broke listening to Cindy in her 3rd call.

Lee went in to talk to Casey and I truly don't think he knew what happened until Casey confessed Caylee went missing. I think Lee had no idea that Casey was responsible for this. There was no indication, YET, to believe other wise. I think he wanted facts before he jumped to any conclusion. As for Cindy, I think it was when she walked in the room and heard them talking that she realized Caylee was missing, therefore the 3rd 911 panic call. After all, she hadn't seen them for about a month, IIRC..

Cindy knew something was really wrong, even more so than normal Casey drama. First finding out the car was impounded, then the smell of the car, she wants to get info out of Casey, threatens the police. When she still won't take her to Caylee, Cindy is preparing to hear something horrific from Casey, that Caylee is dead. Instead she hears that yes her dumbf**k daughter has done something horrifyingly stupid but she hears that Caylee is alive with the nanny. And she believes her because she needs to, wants to.... the emotional rollercoaster of just that day were horrible.

I don't condone how Cindy has behaved since then, but I don't find her to be suspect on the 15th.

 

[FIND'HER]

GA tells the FBI in his interview that KC is a computer whiz and can change dates on things. Why does he mention this? I think she messed with the date of the video. When I have time, I will try to locate the exact second and location of the statement.

It was enough to set my meter off when I heard it. Especially in light of the 9th, the 9th, the 9th, being repeated by KC, mom and granny while KC is yammering about 31 days.

There are 30 days in June and the melt down occurred on July 15. 31 days puts us at the 14th of June. My math is fine.

I can agree with your dates, but when LE went to the rest home they checked the dates for when Caylee and Cindy were there and the Date did match the Camera..Find It hard to believe that could have been any other date. Unless the Video was shot earlier and the date was changed and there was never no video taken on Fathers Day.