2008.07.24 George Anthony Interview

[kiki the parrot]

I'm sorry for your loss Kiki. I can't imagine the heartbreak you must have gone through :blowkiss:

You are kind Dolly. Thank you. Many people lack hope. We will continue to pray for GA, for the whole family. JMO

:heart:

 

[karenmamo]

People deal with things in their own way and in their own time -- that's something I've realized and respected for about as long as I can remember. It seems to me G probably knows C better than anyone else and has a good idea as to her limits, her heart and how she deals with things.

The way I'm reading this (and have been seeing the situation) is that he knows in his heart Caylee is gone and so does Cindy -- but neither are fully willing or able to give up the hope that she might be alive yet. That kind of hope isn't overly unusual. When my father was given 3-4 months to live I didn't accept it - and up until the day he passed, 1 year and 8 months later I had hope that he would beat the cancer.

Holding onto that hope (call it denial if you will) did not cause me to go over the edge - it kept me from doing so. It did not diminish my faith - it brought me closer to God. I needed hope in order to function and, in fact, to survive. And when we lost him - aside from making sure I was there for my mother and my son who needed me to be strong - I went into self-imposed isolation.That is how I mourn and how I heal. Others need to be surrounded by people, to participate in activities, services and/or celebrations. That's fine for them but it doesn't work for me. And my loved ones realize this and know that attempts to push me to accept things based on their time-table or agenda is not going to work. In fact it causes much more harm than good.

So if George and/or Cindy need to maintain hope and/or stay in a semi state of denial (at least publically) until Caylee is found and identified, so be it. Is it hurting Caylee? Is it hurting anyone? Should they be forced to follow a time-frame for healing determined by others, or should they be allowed to heal in their own way and in their own time? Should they be forced to accept and admit what their hearts already know to the media so viewers can applaud them for 'finally waking up'? Would it make anything better for anyone if they break down in public and show their tears, grief, despair and broken spirits?

LE has not said anything to indicate that either of them killed Caylee or disposed of her little body. KC did this - which is something else G and C have to try to come to terms with and accept in some way and at some point in time. Personally I don't need to see them rip their hearts out of their chests on national tv to realize they are in pain. I don't think Caylee would want that for them, and I sure don't believe God demands it.

:clap::clap:
You have a heart of gold.:blowkiss:

 

[kiki the parrot]

DotsEyes: "GA - do right by Caylee and you can sleep in peace. Trying to salvage KC is hopeless, trying to handle CA with kid gloves is not working. Don't be mad at Baez, the media, LE, TonE, or anyone else."

ITA

DotsEyes: "This is KC's doing and the only one who can set it right is you. KC upbringing did not make her kill Caylee, sociopaths are born, not created."

Disagree completely. This contradicts everything we have learned in the past 50 years about personality development and learned behavior. I don't have to be a psychiatrist or geneticist to put no store in demon seeds or psycho genes. However I agree entirely w everything else expressed in your post! JMHUO

 

[rookie]

GA - do right by Caylee and you can sleep in peace. Trying to salvage KC is hopeless, trying to handle CA with kid gloves is not working. Don't be mad at Baez, the media, LE, TonE, or anyone else. This is KC's doing and the only one who can set it right is you. KC upbringing did not make her kill Caylee, sociopaths are born, not created.

I agree with this.
I also don't think that he is a victim. He's a grown man and a weak one at that.
He needs to grow a backbone and tell his wife, "NO!" Enough is more than enough in this case.
Where does he draw the line at being bullied and controlled? Doesn't he realize that he is being used? Has probably Always been used for HER purposes.
I'll bet he has no relationship with his family.
I'll bet she never liked them or was jealous of his love for his mother, etc.
I know women like her.
Parasites!

I do seem to remember reading that he threw his father through a plate glass window.
If so, he has quite a temper himself.

This whole family makes me sick.
That poor baby is laying out there somewhere and NO ONE will step up and do the right thing!
Wonderful strangers have to go and look for her and hopefully bring her home to people who seem to care more about themselves than they EVER cared about her!

 

[Ocean Lover]

I have to say after reading most of this how very sorry I am for thinking one "not nice" thing about George. It appears he's very much alone in this. I just hope he hasn't let his wife lead him to places he really shouldn't go. What's also true...we (or most) were/are so right about Cindy. (Sorry...just had to say it)

I totally agree with you on this one! I posted on the thread where GA was by the woods just looking. I had been concerned about evidence tampering after the future search sites were announced. However, I really do think that GA was trying to in his own way grieve for little Caylee and when someone saw him and made the phone call that CA had to be in control and make excuses for him. My heart breaks for this man. I think he is the only one that I think is trying to assist LE. I hope he has a good friend to confide in because I worry about him. I hope if he doesn't reach out to his pastor then I hope the paster reaches out to him.

 

[maconrich]

I think you misunderstand.
Someone who is making &quot;denials&quot; in public who knows the truth privately and therefore NOT assisting LE much less their child to arrive at the truth isn't simply <i>working through a grief stage. (respectfully snipped)

My apologies - I most certainly did misunderstand your post :blush: and I am so very sorry for your loss and thank you for your kind words regarding my father.

I understand the stages of grief, but I've basically looked at most of their public behavior as being a combination of not wanting to hear the truth, being stressed to the max, frustration and feeling guilty over their role in the events that led up to KC getting angry and leaving the house. As for KC (the part bolded above) I just don't think there's any getting thru to her / getting her to talk, at least not by her parents or LE...

karenmamo - I'm a push over for sure TY :blowkiss:

 

[Lady Angler]

George is a big boy. He chose to leave the persona we see in those LE interviews behind for one of complete idiocy. Further, if people believe his public statements and actions are because he needs to shield Cindy from the truth about Caylee, then I'm glad he's not my husband. We call that decpetion where I'm from. WTH is wrong with George? Too bad its too late for him to find his cajones.

 

[Themis]

Is it just me or does anybody else think GA's interview was disjointed and garbled. It was hard to follow. There were some thoughts and phrases but it was very hard to read and follow their thoughts and attempts at communication. It jumped around and incomplete thoughts and phrases were just clumped in there. It was just rambling; like stream of consciousness.

 

[Themis]

I totally agree with you on this one! I posted on the thread where GA was by the woods just looking. I had been concerned about evidence tampering after the future search sites were announced. However, I really do think that GA was trying to in his own way grieve for little Caylee and when someone saw him and made the phone call that CA had to be in control and make excuses for him. My heart breaks for this man. I think he is the only one that I think is trying to assist LE. I hope he has a good friend to confide in because I worry about him. I hope if he doesn't reach out to his pastor then I hope the paster reaches out to him.

I suppose you mean the "self ordained" minister?

 

[Themis]

I agree with this.
I also don't think that he is a victim. He's a grown man and a weak one at that.
He needs to grow a backbone and tell his wife, "NO!" Enough is more than enough in this case.
Where does he draw the line at being bullied and controlled? Doesn't he realize that he is being used? Has probably Always been used for HER purposes.
I'll bet he has no relationship with his family.
I'll bet she never liked them or was jealous of his love for his mother, etc.
I know women like her.
Parasites!

I do seem to remember reading that he threw his father through a plate glass window.
If so, he has quite a temper himself.

This whole family makes me sick.
That poor baby is laying out there somewhere and NO ONE will step up and do the right thing!
Wonderful strangers have to go and look for her and hopefully bring her home to people who seem to care more about themselves than they EVER cared about her!

I guess no one will accuse you of lacking a strong opinion! :clap: Of course, you can have any opinon you want and I certainly respect that.

Actually, I think this is more complex than that. Men can be emotionally battered spouses too. Don't want to be gender biased.

 

[sha-sha]

Bold above is mine.

Ya know, throughout all of these dumps there has been a reoccuring theme. I've read several (if not more) times where LE says "No, this won't be made public" or "no, this is just between us".
Not those exact words but very similar.
Not putting LE down in any way but imagine some of these interviews where the person being interviewed is led to believe/thinks they are speaking in confidence behind closed doors only to see their own words spattered across blogs and message board. Yikes! I so feel for all those who have been dragged into KC's web.

Actually, I've gotten the opposite impression. They know these things are eventually going to be made public. moo. I think that GA (and rightly so) figures "who cares if my you-know-what of a wife gets mad at me... this is about the life of my beloved baby granddaughter"... Cindy's anger is beside the point. A small price to pay in the grand scheme of things. He knew his statement would be made public. During that interview he was hoping by the time it was made public it would be moot. (because Caylee would beback home)

 

[impatientredhead]

I guess no one will accuse you of lacking a strong opinion! :clap: Of course, you can have any opinon you want and I certainly respect that.

Actually, I think this is more complex than that. Men can be emotionally battered spouses too. Don't want to be gender biased.

I agree they can be, and it is a complicated situation for anyone being abused BUT when you stand by the side of someone who is at a minimum emotionally abusing your children and you enable them for years... I don't care if you are a man or a woman, you are an adult and owe those kids more than that. George stepping aside to avoid the wrath of Cindy didn't help anyone longterm. They all have their demons to deal with. Cindy has contributed, but George has too even if he is more likeable.

 

[Ocean Lover]

I suppose you mean the "self ordained" minister?

Yes I do! Thanks for correcting my post.

 

[CaliKid]

Something just struck me funny while reading GA's interview. When he went to pick the car up at the tow yard and smelled the stink of the car, he had the worker there walk around the car with him and said to himself, "Don't let this be my Caylee."

Did they even know Caylee was missing at that point? I thought they didn't know she was missing until after they got the car back? If so, then wouldn't that be a strange thing for GA to say unless KC had previously threatened to harm her?

She wasn't officially missing, but they hadn't seen her in a couple of weeks. I just think George added up KC's car + missing daughter/granddaughter + decomp smell = something awful has happened.

 

[Lanie]

I agree they can be, and it is a complicated situation for anyone being abused BUT when you stand by the side of someone who is at a minimum emotionally abusing your children and you enable them for years... I don't care if you are a man or a woman, you are an adult and owe those kids more than that. George stepping aside to avoid the wrath of Cindy didn't help anyone longterm. They all have their demons to deal with. Cindy has contributed, but George has too even if he is more likeable.

Exactly. Now Caylee is gone, and what has changed?
Lanie

 

[oceanblueeyes]

After reading what George had to say, once again I believe he knows what happened. I believe he knows Casey is the killer of his granddaughter. I think he just doesn't want to dwell on it so he avoids it. I think he is also out there trying to sell to the public that Caylee is alive for Cindy's sake. I think he is trying to protect her from the painful truth, even though I think she knows the painful truth.. I feel for George. I think he is torn up inside.

I do not think he knows what happened to Caylee or where Caylee's body is but I do believe he does know that he has lost his Caylee forever and he knows who made it happen.

Some of his mannerisms seems to be almost fearful when it comes to Cindy. It seems to be some form of abuse that he has suffered from living with Cindy for so long. I think he does what he has to do in order to survive. Maybe he does want to leave but fears he will have no one at all if he does.

My heart is breaking for George. Who would ever want to believe that they can lose their precious granddaughter and know their very own child is the one that murdered them?

George is trying to hold onto his life by threads but IMO he will not lie when this case comes to trial. Then he knows he must speak the truth.

 

[Talison]

The Stockholm Syndrome comes into play when a captive cannot escape and is isolated and threatened with death, but is shown token acts of kindness by the captor. It typically takes about three or four days for the psychological shift to take hold.

A strategy of trying to keep your captor happy in order to stay alive becomes an obsessive identification with the likes and dislikes of the captor which has the result of warping your own psyche in such a way that you come to sympathize with your tormenter!

The syndrome explains what happens in hostage-taking situations, but can also be used to understand the behavior of battered spouses, members of religious cults, Holocaust victims, household pets, and perhaps even users of Internet Explorer. I think it may also help explain the popularity of government and of the mass institutionalization of young people.

Do you happen to have a link for where you copied and pasted this info from? I found the exact same info in the exact same words at numerous websites when I googled, even though it is posted as if those are your own words. I assume that was unintentional and that you didn't realize you should include a link for copied and pasted text.

 

[yolorado]

Gosh, I wish George the best, but unless he can break free from Fantasy Land, there's not much chance of him ever moving forward. It seems to me that he's now made a conscious choice to reject reality for an imaginary world and that's not only hurtful to him, it defiles the memory of Caylee. It's not denial. It's not grief. It's choosing to live a fantasy to avoid reality. It's very unhealthy.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Gosh, I wish George the best, but unless he can break free from Fantasy Land, there's not much chance of him ever moving forward. It seems to me that he's now made a conscious choice to reject reality for an imaginary world and that's not only hurtful to him, it defiles the memory of Caylee. It's not denial. It's not grief. It's choosing to live a fantasy to avoid reality. It's very unhealthy.

ITA- It is the same thing KC did. KC created an elaborate "fake life" and continued to insist it was the truth. This is what happens when kids are not made to be accountable for their bad choices when they are young. As they get older the "bad choices" become bigger and bigger.

Instead of doing the right thing for Caylee-GA protects CA>>>CA protects KC

 

[nancy botwin]

I'm just reading this interview now-- only part way through and this makes me SO SAD. Poor George! I think this interview really does help put Cindy and George's statements/behaviors etc. in context. A very sympathetic context. I can't believe Casey forged a fake deposit slip and feigned a robbery at gunpoint?! I mean, I can believe it. but... Reading this interview underscores my conviction that it's not possible to judge Cindy and George's reactions in all that's happened. Casey is SO BAD, I can't handle it.