2008.07.24 George Anthony Interview

[Pattymarie]

I totally agree with you. Isn't amazing what the mind does when faced with such a unspeakable atrocity that GA and CA are?

 

[kiki the parrot]

I think George doesn't want Lee and Cindy to know he is there because he/George is off script. Either Cindy and/or Lee has declared at this point that they should not be helping LE if they are not looking for a live Caylee. George is bucking the family dynamic the only way he knows how, by being sneaky. Casey learns to lie from mom, Casey learns to be sneaky to get around mom from George.

I'd like to know more about the $4,000 fake deposit that Casey supposedly made into Cindy's account, the amount being the same as the sell of George's Toyota, and having a gun held to her head. Something about Cindy wanting to work with Casey on it. It was very hard to understand what he was talking about, but I'm sure it has to do with some con and theft of money from the family and making Casey a poor victim in something in order to get out of it.

I think the reason George and LE didn't want Lee to know George was already there was they didn't want Lee to bring Cindy along ("we want to speak to you and George"). If Lee told Cindy George was already there, you know she'd want to rush right over to clamp his mouth shut. I think they were trying to protect the investigation and keep Cindy clear of it at that time because she would be running her mouth to the media before anyone in the public heard the 911 tapes. Cindy has the unique ability to taint everything she touches.

I'll tell you, it is *really* interesting to go back again to that bond hearing with all the additional information we have now. Cindy is as much of an habitual liar as Casey is. They're a team. This is a team thing they're doing. It's sick and it's eerie as heck. And it's no wonder at all that Casey thinks she can get away with murder (literally). Cindy lies without blinking her eyes. I feel so bad for LE trying to find out what happened to poor little Caylee, and having to deal with Cindy's BS and abuse.

(bold mine) ITA

Bolded by me. You totally nailed it. I think Cindy is who Casey would have become if she hadn't committed murder and is now going to be locked away for life. And even sicker - she/they would have raised Caylee to be the same way. To me, as sad as it is, I think Caylee's in a better place now than she would have been in the evil clutches of these 2 women.

As horrible a thought as this is, I believe there is much truth to this. JMO

 

[BetsyB]

DotsEyes: "GA - do right by Caylee and you can sleep in peace. Trying to salvage KC is hopeless, trying to handle CA with kid gloves is not working. Don't be mad at Baez, the media, LE, TonE, or anyone else."

ITA

DotsEyes: "This is KC's doing and the only one who can set it right is you. KC upbringing did not make her kill Caylee, sociopaths are born, not created."

Disagree completely. This contradicts everything we have learned in the past 50 years about personality development and learned behavior. I don't have to be a psychiatrist or geneticist to put no store in demon seeds or psycho genes. However I agree entirely w everything else expressed in your post! JMHUO

You're right--you don't have to be a psychiatrist to form an opinion. However, that's what it is. There are many who discount sociopathy as a learned behavior. Still more attribute it to a combination of nature and nurture. I don't know many who consider it a learned behavior.

I know that the younger of two sociopaths in my life demonstrated "demon seed" behavior from babyhood. He was diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder as a child, then as with APD as a young adult. He is a convicted felon.

The older sociopath was harder to nail down, diagnostically, as he's flown under LE radar his whole life--sheerly by good luck, not because he hasn't done depraved things. According to family, he's always been this way, too.

Inborn does not always mean genetic/hereditary. I have no idea whether there are genes that make one more vulnerable to developing as a sociopath, or whether it was sheer dumb luck that I happened to get two in my life. I DO KNOW that what they were was NOT learned---it was 100% the way they were.

 

[kiki the parrot]

You're right--you don't have to be a psychiatrist to form an opinion. However, that's what it is. There are many who discount sociopathy as a learned behavior. Still more attribute it to a combination of nature and nurture. I don't know many who consider it a learned behavior.

I know that the younger of two sociopaths in my life demonstrated "demon seed" behavior from babyhood. He was diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder as a child, then as with APD as a young adult. He is a convicted felon.

The older sociopath was harder to nail down, diagnostically, as he's flown under LE radar his whole life--sheerly by good luck, not because he hasn't done depraved things. According to family, he's always been this way, too.

Inborn does not always mean genetic/hereditary. I have no idea whether there are genes that make one more vulnerable to developing as a sociopath, or whether it was sheer dumb luck that I happened to get two in my life. I DO KNOW that what they were was NOT learned---it was 100% the way they were.

Betsy this is getting O/T but please allow me to clarify. The sociopath I've known, and cases w which I'm familiar but more significantly the majority of case studies on which the most current research and professional opinion is based all have a clearly identifiable history which anyone could recognize to which their lack of empathy can easily be traced or attributed. I would certainly never attempt to "diagnose" KC, w sociopathy or anything else! But there are many armchair psychiatrists here who have so I was speaking to those who believe KC was born a coldblooded sociopath. And the point I'm making is that from what we've observed there's very little positive or consistent re the way in which KC was parented--and it's clear to me anyway there's a LINK there!

KC never was held accountable but sadly had her outrageously bad behavior rescued, excused and enabled one too many times... until the ultimate price was paid--by CAYLEE. While I do feel for CA at the same time it's been hard for me to perceive her solely as a victim as though she had no part, played no role--like what, time just started six months ago so the previous 22 years had no bearing or connection to where we are today? I mean honestly, to listen to CA, KC's merely a blameless victim herself but the victimhood and blameshifting need to end. I'm sure CA never imagined the cost of all her controlling, deceit, or enablement etc. But we cannot discard everything we've learned in the last 50 years about personality development, that has been undoing this frightening myth of the "bad seed," and concludes sociopaths are not just "born." The suggestion that even wise, caring, child-centered responsible parenting w consistent boundaries, appropriate discipline and timely intervention, is still somehow powerless to train up empathic, well-adjusted children--is dismal, fatalistic and frankly dangerous. It subtly blameshifts, excuses away, and undermines those very real, established links. Yes you're right, there are established differences in the brain of a socio vs non yet nothing stored w/in dna but later that these changes take place. It is now recognized these biochemical or neurological changes in a child's brain, mood centers etc are not in fact present at birth but develop as early in the first few years of life as a result of childhood influences. Most mental health professionals have reached the same widely shared conclusion that these changes occur very early on in response to parenting extremes and other factors during the early years of life. That is based on science not simply my "opinion," but my experience certainly bears this out! Sorry should probably be discussed on psych thread. JMHUO


"The fact that abnormal physical changes have been found in the brains of sociopaths does not mean that they were born this way. Things like being raised by non-loving parents... can cause a re-organization of brain functions and structural changes that are evident in adulthood.

A lack of loving parents has been shown to have sociopathic consequences in primate studies. Further, these characteristics appear to be transmitted from one generation to another, as sociopaths lack the capacity to love their own offspring...

The main problem seems to be in the process of parenting itself. We teach many things in our schools: carpentry, housekeeping and cooking, computer skills... These are all great for future employment. But what do we teach about being a good parent? Perhaps a mandatory curriculum in our schools should include exposure to the benefits of loving and caring parental skills. This type of exposure to "parental psychology" might prevent future sociopaths and it also might alter budding sociopaths before their neurological hardware becomes hardwired for a life of emotionless pain." -Dr. K. Dillard

http://www.viewzone.com/sociopath.html

 

[Manny]

Does anyone know a lawyer who would take on a possible murder case for 1400 dollar retainer??? What the heck is this lawyer thinking. She calmly tells him she has 4000 dollars in the bank and will give him 1400 of it? Uh, I think he should have talked to George about that one. Unless this girl has bank accounts all over town with false names and she has been working at jobs no one knows about making hundreds of dollars an hour. What the heck is that guy thinking???
I think George had better save himself... I feel so sorry for him. How long has that girl been stealing from that family?

 

[kiki the parrot]

Does anyone know a lawyer who would take on a possible murder case for 1400 dollar retainer??? What the heck is this lawyer thinking. She calmly tells him she has 4000 dollars in the bank and will give him 1400 of it? Uh, I think he should have talked to George about that one. Unless this girl has bank accounts all over town with false names and she has been working at jobs no one knows about making hundreds of dollars an hour. What the heck is that guy thinking???
I think George had better save himself... I feel so sorry for him. How long has that girl been stealing from that family?

(bold mine) For about as long as her mother has been letting her get away with it...

 

[Janis396]

Does anyone know a lawyer who would take on a possible murder case for 1400 dollar retainer??? What the heck is this lawyer thinking. She calmly tells him she has 4000 dollars in the bank and will give him 1400 of it? Uh, I think he should have talked to George about that one. Unless this girl has bank accounts all over town with false names and she has been working at jobs no one knows about making hundreds of dollars an hour. What the heck is that guy thinking???
I think George had better save himself... I feel so sorry for him. How long has that girl been stealing from that family?

He was thinking future paid interviews, book and movie deals. He probably deferred his fee because he believes he will make millions off this case after it's all said and done.

 

[Just Jayla]

Bump with good link:

http://www.truveo.com/raw-interview-george-anthony-questioned-by/id/523997832

 

[Just Jayla]

Yeah....found that interesting about Baez. What is she giving him for fees???

Licorice.

 

[charok]

Licorice.

omigod that was funny...i almost spewed pop on the screen on that one, thanks!:dance:
i dont think ill look at twizzlers the same again.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Bump with good link:

http://www.truveo.com/raw-interview-george-anthony-questioned-by/id/523997832

It's interesting that a few minutes into the interview when GA asks LE to notify him if Caylee is found dead so he can prepare CA for the news because it will kill her, he states that my love for my daughter and my granddaughter is totally different than my wifes - she carried her (KC) and everything. I've been there for my granddaughter.

I didn't put quotes on the above comments because it's hard to catch the exact words but based on GA's comments it seems that KC's feelings of jealousy regarding the attention Caylee got versus how she views the attention she got are justified. I'm not suggesting that's an excuse for her behavior but it is interesting to me to hear GA admit that he was there for his granddaughter more than he was for his daughter as I always thought KC's feelings of jealousy stemmed more from her issues with CA. Based on GA's comments, and KC being an immature individual, I think she felt cheated from both her parents when comparing the attention/treatment she received versus how they treated and attended to Caylee.

When I listened to this interview a long time ago, I didn't catch this confession/observation on GA's part regarding his role as KC's father.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

He was thinking future paid interviews, book and movie deals. He probably deferred his fee because he believes he will make millions off this case after it's all said and done.

Gosh, you know, that hadn't even hit me until you said so here, but in this July 24 interview, George actually does say that he believes Jose is looking at future book/movie deals. I mean, what kind of brain even GOES there 10 days after your daughter is arrested for murder?! I don't even know if I'd have brought my face out of my own bathroom yet at that point.

 

[LolaMoon08]

How could Jose have known that this case would become a huge national story? Something is really off on how he was obtained!

 

[Gnatcatcher]

It's interesting that a few minutes into the interview when GA asks LE to notify him if Caylee is found dead so he can prepare CA for the news because it will kill her, he states that my love for my daughter and my granddaughter is totally different than my wifes - she carried her (KC) and everything. I've been there for my granddaughter.

I didn't put quotes on the above comments because it's hard to catch the exact words but based on GA's comments it seems that KC's feelings of jealousy regarding the attention Caylee got versus how she views the attention she got are justified. I'm not suggesting that's an excuse for her behavior but it is interesting to me to hear GA admit that he was there for his granddaughter more than he was for his daughter as I always thought KC's feelings of jealousy stemmed more from her issues with CA. Based on GA's comments, and KC being an immature individual, I think she felt cheated from both her parents when comparing the attention/treatment she received versus how they treated and attended to Caylee.

When I listened to this interview a long time ago, I didn't catch this confession/observation on GA's part regarding his role as KC's father.

Interesting observation. I agree. And beyond that, he actually says that the reason he and Cindy split up those few months was because of things his daughter did. George actually says that it was Casey who drove the wedge between his wife and him. How would you like to be blamed for being the reason your parents split up? Isn't the first thing a divorcing couple do is sit their young children down in front of them and pointedly say "This isn't your fault but mommy and I can't stay married, but it isn't your fault". Don't parents usually take that responsibility and say it's THEIR OWN fault they couldn't deal with (whatever, insert reason here)? Here he actually says it was his daughter's fault that his marriage was failing.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Interesting observation. I agree. And beyond that, he actually says that the reason he and Cindy split up those few months was because of things his daughter did. George actually says that it was Casey who drove the wedge between his wife and him. How would you like to be blamed for being the reason your parents split up? Isn't the first thing a divorcing couple do is sit their young children down in front of them and pointedly say "This isn't your fault but mommy and I can't stay married, but it isn't your fault". Don't parents usually take that responsibility and say it's THEIR OWN fault they couldn't deal with (whatever, insert reason here)? Here he actually says it was his daughter's fault that his marriage was failing.

Casey was 19 years old, pregnant by a man she couldn't name and stealing money from the family. If George had enough of her behavior and Cindy chose to protect Casey instead of her own marraige then I don't blame George at all.

 

[chefmom]

Casey was 19 years old, pregnant by a man she couldn't name and stealing money from the family. If George had enough of her behavior and Cindy chose to protect Casey instead of her own marraige then I don't blame George at all.

ITA, Prudence! IMO, the main reason KC seems to be the awful way that she is, with all of the defiance, lying, stealing, not working, is because CA allowed it and covered for her and never allowed anyone to hold her feet to the fire and pay for what she had done. If CA had allowed GA to discipline KC a looooong time ago, KC might have actually graduated high school, gone on to Valencia College, and perhaps become a REAL events planner. Instead, CA had to be the one "in charge of KC" and here we are with KC in jail and Caylee dead. I firmly believe this is why CA is so adament about standing behind KC. If she doesn't, then she has to accept the rather large role that she has played in this horrific outcome. JMO, of course.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Interesting observation. I agree. And beyond that, he actually says that the reason he and Cindy split up those few months was because of things his daughter did. George actually says that it was Casey who drove the wedge between his wife and him. How would you like to be blamed for being the reason your parents split up? Isn't the first thing a divorcing couple do is sit their young children down in front of them and pointedly say "This isn't your fault but mommy and I can't stay married, but it isn't your fault". Don't parents usually take that responsibility and say it's THEIR OWN fault they couldn't deal with (whatever, insert reason here)? Here he actually says it was his daughter's fault that his marriage was failing.

Casey was 19 years old, pregnant by a man she couldn't name and stealing money from the family. If George had enough of her behavior and Cindy chose to protect Casey instead of her own marraige then I don't blame George at all.

If the marriage is good (which includes agreement on how to parent) then a child (young or adult) cannot be blamed for the split in the relationship. Obviously according to George they did not agree about how to handle Casey. Their lack of parenting ability is one of their two faults ~ either George's or Cindy's but not Casey's.

I think Casey was the result ~ not the cause. moo.

 

[txsvicki]

George wasn't making very good sense in his comparisons IMO, but he said that Cindy carried and nurtured Casey while he wasn't home as much due to working BUT he's been there for Caylee. I took it to mean that he has been home a whole lot since her birth and there for her nurturing and care.
George is so annoying the way he tells his stories and skirts around the real questions. It's obvious the investigators are really wanting to talk about the dead body smell in the vehicle, why Casey won't talk, and if the family knows more than they're telling. George doesn't want to get down to business, but talks about the foundation, blaming Tony, Fusion, digs to Cindy, jealousy of another man friend, etc. He's more concerned about Baez and Casey than he is about Caylee being deceased at that time.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

ITA, Prudence! IMO, the main reason KC seems to be the awful way that she is, with all of the defiance, lying, stealing, not working, is because CA allowed it and covered for her and never allowed anyone to hold her feet to the fire and pay for what she had done. If CA had allowed GA to discipline KC a looooong time ago, KC might have actually graduated high school, gone on to Valencia College, and perhaps become a REAL events planner. Instead, CA had to be the one "in charge of KC" and here we are with KC in jail and Caylee dead. I firmly believe this is why CA is so adament about standing behind KC. If she doesn't, then she has to accept the rather large role that she has played in this horrific outcome. JMO, of course.

BBM ~ :waitasec:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

At the end of the interview GA was VERY concerned and probed LE if they had gotten forensic results back from the Pontiac. GA seemed most concerned about that.

The next thing we know is that GA is throwing up. Does that mean GA got out of listening to the 911 calls with Lee present in front of LE which was to take place within the hour?