2008.08.01 Cindy Anthony's Interview Audio #1

[magic-cat]

Not quite. Cindy knew what Casey was all about. She called her a sociopath to Casey's friends. Knew Casey had stolen money from her and her parents. And knew Casey was a liar. Cindy even went so far as to print up a pic of Casey partying when she was supposed to be working and threw it in Casey's face. And let's not forget that Cindy was in the process of seeing a shrink and trying to figure out how to get custody of Caylee, when all this went bad. Don't let Cindy fool you. She has never idealized her daughter for the past two to three years, never.

I wasn't saying she had idealized her for the past 2 or 3 years, I was saying she has NOW in the midst of all of this somehow gone over to the dark side where Casey was not out partying, those pics were 2 or 3 years ago...Casey would never be out partying when her daughter was missing, so therefore, those are from 2 or 3 years ago and not NOW while her baby is missing.

And I also was not saying that she did not know and confront Casey personally in the past about the things that you stated...but she has blotted all of that out in favor of this fantasy of Casey that she has somehow evolved.

Cindy does not fool me in the least, I heard her say I didn't care where Casey was, I still don't care where Casey is, I want Caylee back, I want my granddaughter...She is splintering into fragments, and in one of those fragments, all the pictures that we have all recently beheld of her daughter, are WAY FAR BACK IN THE PAST...

She is in EXTREME denial at the time of this interview, and I am just saying that I hope by now, which is going on 3 months since that interview took place, that she has moved on from this phase and into one where the truth is starting to seep back in and she is letting it instead of pushing it away in favor of "2 or 3 years ago" type scenarios that are far from REALITY...

 

[wallflower67]

Can someone supply me a link to part 2 of CA's interview? I can only find part one. Thankyou!

 

[SuziQ]

I wasn't saying she had idealized her for the past 2 or 3 years, I was saying she has NOW in the midst of all of this somehow gone over to the dark side where Casey was not out partying, those pics were 2 or 3 years ago...Casey would never be out partying when her daughter was missing, so therefore, those are from 2 or 3 years ago and not NOW while her baby is missing.

And I also was not saying that she did not know and confront Casey personally in the past about the things that you stated...but she has blotted all of that out in favor of this fantasy of Casey that she has somehow evolved.

Cindy does not fool me in the least, I heard her say I didn't care where Casey was, I still don't care where Casey is, I want Caylee back, I want my granddaughter...She is splintering into fragments, and in one of those fragments, all the pictures that we have all recently beheld of her daughter, are WAY FAR BACK IN THE PAST...

She is in EXTREME denial at the time of this interview, and I am just saying that I hope by now, which is going on 3 months since that interview took place, that she has moved on from this phase and into one where the truth is starting to seep back in and she is letting it instead of pushing it away in favor of "2 or 3 years ago" type scenarios that are far from REALITY...

I thought you were saying at THAT point in time referring to 2-3 years ago. Anyways, I still think Cindy knew way too much about Casey prior to any of this to write her current behavior off as denial. But that's me.

 

[justbetweenus]

Can someone supply me a link to part 2 of CA's interview? I can only find part one. Thankyou!

Here you go wallflower. The main page but you will see Cindy part 1 part 2.


http://www.wftv.com/index.html

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I posted these comments earlier on another message board (unrelated to sleuthing). No need to rewrite it:

I watched both parts of the interview with Cindy. I think I know where Casey gets her gift of gab and story enhancement. I thought the woman would never shut up! I couldn't believe how long it took the policemen to say "enough is enough, let's get to the facts". When the policeman showed her the fake names, her demeanor changed. No longer was she "helping" them. She became defensive. When that didn't get her anywhere, she played the "poor grandmother with the missing granddaughter" card. It took her 96 minutes to become upset about the missing child! Before that, she was all business telling Casey's hundreds of lies down to the last detail.

She almost visibly crucified Jesse right there in that room. Instead of placing the blame where it belongs, on that lying Casey, she instead attacks Jesse. No wonder the poor guy had to make his statements on national TV. Cindy was probably nailing him to the wall with every word from her mouth.

Most interesting was how she could spin Casey's lies, but when confronted, she became defensive, even though she and the rest of the family said Casey has always been a notorious liar.

I would love to have empathy for Cindy. I did when she first called 911 but not anymore, not after seeing and hearing all the things she's done and said, and especially after watching this video. She and George obviously suspected the worst from before they found Casey on the 15th. Now, I think they know the worst has happened and are just trying to save their daughter at Caylee's expense. Like she was nothing. I realized this is an awful situation for the parents but how can they dismiss little Caylee? How? She was a defenseless child!!!!

Just for the record, if a policeman had told me all those people didn't exist, I know I would have reacted differently than Cindy. I would have probably shouted, "What do you mean?" and I would have made him show me, person by person, the evidence he had that they are fictitious names.

 

[SuziQ]

IMO, if George and Cindy ever move to Caylee's side, and quit behaving as they have, it will be the day that they kill Casey or kick her out of the house. And as of 11:20MST I haven't heard that either has happened. So it appears nothing has changed in the Anthony's house. I reckon, they're just circling the wagons tighter is all.

 

[OneLostGrl]

You know, I agree that Cindy and George could have done things differently with Casey. But is there any parent who doesn't look back and think this or that should have been handled differently? I have 3 adult stepchildren, that I raised, with my hubby from the ages of 6, 7 & 9. I was a mere 18 when we met, 19 when we married. Each of them have turned out differently. One is in the military, and very responsible, wonderful with children, etc. One has been married for many years, with a child and a home, and does beautifully. The other, whom I have mentioned in another post, is a pathological liar, neglectful, emotionally abusive mother, and a pretty much rotten daughter, sister, granddaughter. Her friends and her social life is what's always mattered to her. So how does she end up so different? Is it something we did? Is it the fact that her mother abandoned these kids, just walked out? Never really had a normal relationship with them, even now? But if that is why, why are the other two "normal"? Did it affect her mind differently? Is it in her genes, because, believe me, she is her mother's clone. She also is the youngest of the three, if that makes a difference. What I'm saying, is how do we know WHY Casey turned out the way she did? My situation proves that a child can come from a stable, loving home, and still turn out wonky. There have to be many reasons for someone to turn out this way. So I don't pay attention to the parent bashing, because you just never know. And you never know how your own children will turn out.

First of all I'm sorry for all that your daughter must put you through, I understand your pain though from a bit of a different angle. I hope you will hear me out here..

Though it is not proven for all mental illnesses, for the most part it is known that mental illness (like so many other types of illnesses) tends to "run" in familes. We are born with a genetic predisposition or component to certain disorders, mental or otherwise. With that said.. a personality disorder can also be affected by outside factors. Which is why IMO the Nature/nurture questions don't really fit.. it's not that simple.

OK- we see how Cindy is and see how Casey is just like her. In this case we do not have to wonder how it happened, we can see it and hear it for ourselves... there appears to be a bit of both "nature" (because afterall, we are left wondering how Cindy ended up this way?) and "nurture" issues. In your case that is different, your child grew up without a "Cindy" raising her yet ended up a "Casey". Although you mention your daughter is much like her biological mother (a "cindy?") so is "Nature" the bad guy in her case perhaps? We have another poster here that is and was a wonderful mother (no "Cindy" involved) and her daughter ended up a "Casey". If I remember correctly, this other poster doesn't have a history of "Cindy's" or "Casey's" in her family. so, no nature OR nurture issues with her.

In my case, I grew up with a personality disordered mother, my sister (who was generally the "bad child") has a personality disorder, I was misdiagnosed with one for many years before finally getting the proper diagnosis of Bipolar. (I won't even go into my brothers issues LOL) Nature, nurture..? I hope that what I am trying to convey is coming across as I intend it to. When I bring up how Casey got the way she is I am not saying that everyone like her is like that because their mother is a "Cindy". I know that is not the case... Bad parenting is not the only way that "Casey's" happen but in Casey's case, a person would have to be blind to not see how damaging Cindy has been to Casey. Cindy herself is like text book for personality disorder.

 

[Pondering Mind]

You know, I agree that Cindy and George could have done things differently with Casey. But is there any parent who doesn't look back and think this or that should have been handled differently? I have 3 adult stepchildren, that I raised, with my hubby from the ages of 6, 7 & 9. I was a mere 18 when we met, 19 when we married. Each of them have turned out differently. One is in the military, and very responsible, wonderful with children, etc. One has been married for many years, with a child and a home, and does beautifully. The other, whom I have mentioned in another post, is a pathological liar, neglectful, emotionally abusive mother, and a pretty much rotten daughter, sister, granddaughter. Her friends and her social life is what's always mattered to her. So how does she end up so different? Is it something we did? Is it the fact that her mother abandoned these kids, just walked out? Never really had a normal relationship with them, even now? But if that is why, why are the other two "normal"? Did it affect her mind differently? Is it in her genes, because, believe me, she is her mother's clone. She also is the youngest of the three, if that makes a difference. What I'm saying, is how do we know WHY Casey turned out the way she did? My situation proves that a child can come from a stable, loving home, and still turn out wonky. There have to be many reasons for someone to turn out this way. So I don't pay attention to the parent bashing, because you just never know. And you never know how your own children will turn out.

I agree with you 100%! While there obviously was major issues there, what is a "normal childhood" anymore? My 2 children are 32 and 23 and as different as night and day. Never had major problems with my 23 year old son but I definitely don't believe everything that he tells me, with good reason and I know that he has dabled (sp?) in some drugs. My 32 yr. old daughter is married to an attorney (while having 3 children they worked and paid for my son in law to go to school) and she is straight as an arrow. What did I do differently? I do think that I let my son get away with more growing up, much more than I should have as my circumstances were different, after he was 7 and her 16. (their dad and I divorced) I felt guilty for having to work so much in those later years. Was that it? I dunno, but I live in a glass house and in IMO Casey is an adult and many have had much worse childhoods and did not kill their baby!.

 

[OneLostGrl]

ITA. But in our society, the mother is often blamed when children "go bad". Rarely is the father held accountable for adult children but everyone points their finger at the mother.

Only because it's usually the mother who has most of the contact and does most of the "raising" of the children.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I thought you were saying at THAT point in time referring to 2-3 years ago. Anyways, I still think Cindy knew way too much about Casey prior to any of this to write her current behavior off as denial. But that's me.

I agree with you. Cindy is no dummy.

Remember is the Amy interview when she said Casey's mom shoved the picture from the "No clothes" party at Casey and said "This is working?" because Casey was supposed to be at work that night. Also Cindy told Amy that she didn't think that Casey even had a job.

 

[Blink34]

IMO, if George and Cindy ever move to Caylee's side, and quit behaving as they have, it will be the day that they kill Casey or kick her out of the house. And as of 11:20MST I haven't heard that either has happened. So it appears nothing has changed in the Anthony's house. I reckon, they're just circling the wagons tighter is all.

I completely agree with your first scenario, but I think they would already be past the "kick out" phase. I think there are signs that they have been close to that brink as well.

 

[gardenhart]

It was the ol' "good cop bad cop" routine. Yuri was the bad cop, although I see him as "hero cop and terminator of ,” and I think he did an excellent job of calling Cindy on hers, don’t cha think?...

LOL I actually saw it more as him getting her out of poor EE's personal space, barging into hers and then trying to get her to face a bit of reality. That was a lost cause. It might have helped if she had actually listened to what he was saying. I found myself yelling, "Shut up and let the man talk, Cindy" at the screen. LOL

Her reaction was to try to wind herself into a ball, but he kept unwinding her. He just wouldn't let her roll up and forget that he was there.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Also if Casey had the keys to Zani's apt. then why is it that she could not manage to show the police where it was? Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies and more Lies is all Casey IS...

Great catch! :clap:

 

[Straitfan]

Just finished listening to the interview, very powerful.. Just more info to hang Casey with but... I truly feel for Cindy, I believe she is a gm who wants to "believe" in her heart of hearts that her sweet Caylee is still alive somewhere.. I think she also knows it is not probable but cannot give up her wish.. She knows/has known Casey lied about it all.. She is not stupid or evil, IMO, just grieving and wanting Caylee back.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I thought that she was out because of an injury.

She probably dropped that damn hammer on her foot or tripped over her baseball bat. :woohoo:

 

[RR0004]

C-the attorney drew up papers that CA/GA would get custody if something happened to KC, it had nothing to do with the father, we wanted nothing from him since he was not on the birth cert.
I-who would have custody if something happened to KC and GA and CA who would get custody?

What I find interesting is how the papers may have been drawn up? Attempts have to be made to reach the father, I would think prior to relinquishing full custody. So if the dad was dead per KC. You would have thought this would have been verified via the Atty? :waitasec: Unless KC had her personal word taken there also?

What if his/deceased's family would have also wanted to be involved in Caylee's life? I would imagine the Atty would have published at least something in a newspaper? After all Atty's obligation and all? So now knowing this per CA's statements, there should be 2 files one at the Atty's office and a second one at the GPA's house, per CA. Which would then provide the full name of the father as well as, the Atty's legal obligation of his/their outreach attempts. I'm just sayin.
Best I can do this eve.

I got the impression that the dad was not "supposedly" dead at the time the GPs went to the attorney. What I find difficult to believe is that legally they were able to cut the father out so to speak. Yes, if you don't put the baby's father's name on the birth certificate their is no legal acknowledgement as to his identity...but it seems strange that in this case with the GPs legally requesting custody to be put in a will (Casey's I assume) there wasn't any other legal agreement with the father reliquishing his rights...especially in light of what Casey told her mom (again not to be believed, perhaps) that she was in contact with the father. JMO

 

[Straitfan]

I got the impression from media footage up until now that Cindy was at least unreasonable and confrontational, if not deliberately covering up for KC. After watching Interviews 1 and 2, I'm now convinced she was, and still is, suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. Nobody could have reasoned with her better that Yuri, and it still didn't work. Heaven help her, with the worse yet to come.

She probably does have traumatic stress, most people would whose grandchild was missing and had to face the fact that their own daughter may have been the reason.. Ya'll need to cut her some slack, put herself in her shoes for a minute... She didnt kill her gd, yes she has appeared irrationally on the media, with a daughter like casey most people would..

 

[Straitfan]

One only has to run an add in ANY newspaper to locate the father, no response then there is no obligation, though if the father were to show up later, sure they could dispute based on not having knowledge the preg exsisted.

 

[RR0004]

Just finished listening to the interview, very powerful.. Just more info to hang Casey with but... I truly feel for Cindy, I believe she is a gm who wants to "believe" in her heart of hearts that her sweet Caylee is still alive somewhere.. I think she also knows it is not probable but cannot give up her wish.. She knows/has known Casey lied about it all.. She is not stupid or evil, IMO, just grieving and wanting Caylee back.

I just listened as well...and I do feel for Cindy. But, I have to say that throwing dirt on LE was not in anyone's best interest. Remember, this interview was only 2 weeks after Caylee was reported missing. I saw a woman who was responding/ behaving in ways that were very similar to her daughter. She was trying to control the investigation and dictate to LE what they should or should not have been doing. It wasn't her place to deem it relevant whether to hand over cc statements. If these had been requested, she should have immediately complied. LE didn't need the cc receipts. They would get that all through legal channels directly with the cc companies. She could have been giving them anyone's receipts for that matter. When things were getting unpleasant, she threw out the grieving GM statement to deflect the heat IMO. I do believe she's grieving and it pained me to listen to her speaking about Caylee. But, this whole investigation would have gone much smoother and been less of a media show if she had just trusted in LE.

 

[OneLostGrl]

She probably does have traumatic stress, most people would whose grandchild was missing and had to face the fact that their own daughter may have been the reason.. Ya'll need to cut her some slack, put herself in her shoes for a minute... She didnt kill her gd, yes she has appeared irrationally on the media, with a daughter like casey most people would..

I cut her slack for longer than most. I simply cannot continue to do that.