2008.09.22 Tim Miller Coming Back & Leonard Padilla Talks RE: Cindy/Casey Fight!

[Torrie]

For a person who has such a vast amount of love for a child, why was this child left in the care of a person like Casey to begin with?! If my daughter's actions were proving to be less than what Casey's were at that point...there is no way I would have let her be around my grandchild. How unfair of me to protect my grandchild from my irresponsible, lying, thieving daughter. Sorry...but it is the way I see it.

This statement is unfair, IMO. My stepdaughter was in the military, and when she got out, she came home, moved out to a "party house" with friends, ended up pregnant, her friends gave her the boot, and she moved home. She lived with us until the baby was 5 weeks old, at which time she moved in with her sister. Within a week's time, she was staying with new friends. Noone could find her. I finally found her at an apartment, one bedroom, seven people living there, 3 of which were children. Drugs were being used. My grandchild had not been bathed in weeks. I yanked my daughter out of there and back to our home. She lived with us for the next 5 months at which time she got an apartment in the projects. One week to the DAY that she moved out, she was pregnant again. Without going into a ton of detail for lack of space, she's left them alone, they've been neglected, abused, you name it. Children's services has been called 3 times by me, twice by her best friend and several times by other family members. Well guess what....she now has THREE children, and still has custody of every one of them, and is still neglecting them. So, my point is, my heart has been wrenched from my chest, stomped on and crushed, when it comes to these babies, and my hands are TIED. Just because you LOVE your grandchild, doesn't mean you can do whatever you want to protect them. And another thing, sometimes, you don't rock the boat with said evil daughter, because then you won't get to see grandchildren at all, and then who will be watching out for them?! You don't know what it's like to be afraid for your grandchildren, and that any day, you just might get that call that one of them is badly injured, shaken, dead. Get the point?

Sorry, I'm not completely sticking up for Cindy, but come on, what was she supposed to do, lock Casey in a room, just so she could keep Caylee there, and safe? The system doesn't work that way, and grandparents have absolutely no rights, whatsoever. I've watched this case with horror, knowing that this could be me. Knowing that the missing/deceased baby could be MY precious granddaughter. Only difference between Cindy and I, is that I would definitely have resorted to physical violence to get the answers out of my daughter.(and I'm not a violent person) And she wouldn't be living in my house. The similarities between my daughter and Casey are down right scary.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

It seemed bizarre to me when the news first broke that the first thing the family did was jump on Myspace to search for this baby. I would have collected all Casey's friends names and paid a personal visit. But I also, upon learning of the string of lies to deputies, had the deputies give me some alone time with her before her arrest. I would have known within minutes where my grandchild/neice was. They still have that option now. But the Myspace thing set off alarms for me immediately.

I have never in my life seen a person with so many personal pages on so many different social networking sites. If I knew my daughter spent that much time online and I knew that she lied as much as Casey does and was stonewalliing me on the truth about where my granddaughter was, I wouldn't believe a thing she was saying and would go online to all these sites to try to connect with her friends. Although I have said all along, even as an extremely non violent person, I would have beat the truth out of her.

 

[softsoul]

But then what about the 911 call and the dead body in the darn car? I just can't wrap my head around that. She was losing it! I still don't think the GPs were involved in any coverup at least not before that call...I just can't say what they're up to now aside from total and complete self delusion.:waitasec:

I agree. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but I believe if the GP's had been involved from the beginning they would have come up with a better story. Since the friends all say Casey told them at point or another that Caylee was with the GP's then why would they deny seeing her after the 16th....that just makes Casey seem more cold-hearted and guilty.

 

[TxLady2]

For a person who has such a vast amount of love for a child, why was this child left in the care of a person like Casey to begin with?! If my daughter's actions were proving to be less than what Casey's were at that point...there is no way I would have let her be around my grandchild. How unfair of me to protect my grandchild from my irresponsible, lying, thieving daughter. Sorry...but it is the way I see it.

Legally, there was not much she could do. Casey was the child's mother. You cannot take a child away from their mother unless you go through the proper channels. Besides, they wanted Casey to take responsibility and I am certain that they didn't dream that she would ever harm the child. Blaming Cindy for what Casey did is wrong, IMO. Casey is an adult, she wasn't 15.

 

[TxLady2]

Could it have been slowing dawning on her during the course of the three calls what was really going on? She was very close to an "AHA!" moment when she let slip about the decomp smell in the car. IMO.

I think when Cindy found Casey at Tony's apt. and realized Caylee was not with her.. she started suspecting something was wrong. Then the more she talked to Casey, and couldn't get her to say where Caylee was, she just lost it. I don't think for one minute that Cindy or George had anything to do with what happened to Caylee... or disposing of her body. Their love for that child is so obvious. I don't know if they still believe the kidnapping story or if they know deep down that she is gone... but they can't admit it publicly because that would hurt Casey's defense when it goes to trial. Everything they've said or done since Casey was first arrested has been towards her defense, and I am sure that Baez and now Nejame tells them to support Casey, no matter what. She is their daughter and they know they have lost Caylee, so they are terrified of losing her too. JMO.

 

[ZooMomology]

Legally, there was not much she could do. Casey was the child's mother. You cannot take a child away from their mother unless you go through the proper channels. Besides, they wanted Casey to take responsibility and I am certain that they didn't dream that she would ever harm the child. Blaming Cindy for what Casey did is wrong, IMO. Casey is an adult, she wasn't 15.

Wow, I actually agree with you.

Now, they should continue that line of thought to now, and let her dig herself out of her OWN mess.

 

[ZooMomology]

I think when Cindy found Casey at Tony's apt. and realized Caylee was not with her.. she started suspecting something was wrong. Then the more she talked to Casey, and couldn't get her to say where Caylee was, she just lost it. I don't think for one minute that Cindy or George had anything to do with what happened to Caylee... or disposing of her body. Their love for that child is so obvious. I don't know if they still believe the kidnapping story or if they know deep down that she is gone... but they can't admit it publicly because that would hurt Casey's defense when it goes to trial. Everything they've said or done since Casey was first arrested has been towards her defense, and I am sure that Baez and now Nejame tells them to support Casey, no matter what. She is their daughter and they know they have lost Caylee, so they are terrified of losing her too. JMO.

There is not one person on this earth that could tell me to support my child who is alleged to have murdered my grand-baby. Yes, I would love said child, but support, NO!!!

I would tell NeJames and Baez to kiss my HINEY.

 

[TxLady2]

And the As didn't contact friends to find out where they were for the month IMO(according to Dante, he was never contacted...but the As knew to call him after Casey was found?).

They might not have known ALL of Casey's friends. And remember, Cindy said they did talk to her almost daily... they had no reason to suspect anything was amiss, so Cindy says, until they were notified that the car had been towed. Also... weren't they away somewhere for a couple weeks in that time?

 

[Starr58]

I have never thought Caylee left that house alive, personally. I think she was first buried in the backyard then moved on the 24th.

IMO...ditto

 

[ZooMomology]

And I am sorry, but say she is guilty of murder, do they want a murderer in their house? I wouldn't, even if it was my daughter. Do you think The Dahmer's wanted Jeffrey to come home to live with them knowing what he is capable of? He murdered strangers too, not their grandbabies.

 

[TxLady2]

I'm in agreement. Cindy called Casey a "sociopath". Who in their right minds leaves their granddaughter in the care of a sociopath??? If Cindy did force Casey to have the baby, why didn't Cindy go for immediate custody of Caylee as soon as she was born?????

Not all sociopaths end up murdering someone. I don't think Cindy or George ever thought that would happen.
As for going for custody as soon as she was born... that couldn't happen unless Casey agreed to it. They don't take babies away from their natural mother unless there is a reason to. Basically, their hands were tied.

 

[tehcloser]

I don't think their hands were tied. Both Cindy and Casey used Caylee in their little game with each other. Neither one wanted the full responsibility of a child, but they loved to hang it over each others head. Just like Cindy refering to herself as "mommie" in front of Casey, she did that only to pizz Casey off. And then you have Casey taking Caylee God knows where, to pizz Cindy off. The little angel was a pawn. So very sad.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi SS, The cleaning fluid was actually an empty bottle of Arm and hammer laundry detergent. Cleaning fluid sounds cooler and creates more drama so Nancy Grace used that term about 50 times after the story broke. All who watch Nancy think it was some kind of specialty cleaning fluid instead of laundry detergent.

The terminology of "cleaning fluid" was actually used first by GA in one of his earlier interviews on camera. We had speculated it was the A and H laundry detergent...but it may not have been.

 

[magic-cat]

I'm in agreement. Cindy called Casey a "sociopath". Who in their right minds leaves their granddaughter in the care of a sociopath??? If Cindy did force Casey to have the baby, why didn't Cindy go for immediate custody of Caylee as soon as she was born?????

Unfortunately, as grandparents, they would have had NO authority to take Caylee away from Casey. If they had and Casey would have called the police, then the police would have made them give Caylee back. It is all well and good to think, Oh I would have done something differently, I would have taken her away from her, etc., BUT, there was no legal grounds for it at all-they could not PROVE she was a "sociopath" or it would have been very hard, and even then, I am not so sure that BEING a sociopath is a legal reason to have your child taken away by the grandparents. Cindy and George had NO power to do anything, short of restraining Casey and locking her up in her room and keeping her prisoner-there was not REALLY anything that they could do in that moment when Casey said, I am leaving and my daughter is going with me. A court hearing would have been weeks if not months in the making to work out a custody hearing, which they would have LOST in all likelihood, and it was just a bad situation all the way around.

As for why they did not try for immediate custody-it is NO easy task to take a child away from her parent-it is actually a near impossibility unless the parent agrees to it...Even when the parent is a criminal, a drug user, a molester even, the courts do EVERYTHING to try to keep the child with the parent. Sadly, this is the state of REALITY and not what we WISH were so.

 

[TxLady2]

Makes sense. You're granddaughter has been missing a month and you call to have your daughter arrested for stealing a car you lent her? And then, Oh btw, my granddaughter's missing? Obviously she smelled the car before she made that call. Something is so wrong here.

Maybe she threatened Casey that she would have her arrested, thinking Casey would tell her where Caylee was. She did not realize that Casey had not seen Caylee in a month until Casey told Lee. Maybe in her anger at Casey and fear about Caylee she just didn't put two and two together until later.
I just can't believe that Cindy had anything to do with hurting Caylee or that Casey told her at that time. A situation like this would make anyone go a little crazy and not react like a normal person.

 

[cheko1]

Maybe it is because I grew up without computers, internet and Myspace. But, I just don't understand going to Myspace first. Your Granddaughter is missing try to find her not go play on the computer. And apparently they are still searching the internet for this little girl and not searching in the real world. Seriously how do they really think they can find this Baby by not ever leaving the house?

The way the A's are acting they expect someone to call & say whoops we made a mistake here Caylee is.....:bang:

 

[cheko1]

The terminology of "cleaning fluid" was actually used first by GA in one of his earlier interviews on camera. We had speculated it was the A and H laundry detergent...but it may not have been.

Yes George did use "cleaning fluid" first. He was a homicide cop & knew better.

 

[TxLady2]

This statement is unfair, IMO.
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Sorry, I'm not completely sticking up for Cindy, but come on, what was she supposed to do, lock Casey in a room, just so she could keep Caylee there, and safe? The system doesn't work that way, and grandparents have absolutely no rights, whatsoever. I've watched this case with horror, knowing that this could be me. Knowing that the missing/deceased baby could be MY precious granddaughter. Only difference between Cindy and I, is that I would definitely have resorted to physical violence to get the answers out of my daughter.(and I'm not a violent person) And she wouldn't be living in my house. The similarities between my daughter and Casey are down right scary.

You are so right! I worked for a woman once whose son and DIL lost their first child, a girl 2 y.o., from drowning in the bathtub, while the mom was talking on the phone. Several years later they had a son. My boss raised that child, he lived at her house. He was the same age as my oldest boy and we were also neighbors. He would go to his parents on the weekend, but he stayed with his Nanna all week. The boy's dad ran an illegal gambling joint, and the mom served drinks at night. Eventually, the parents got a divorce, and then a couple years later, the dad died of a heart attack. The mom remarried, and took the boy to live with her and new hubby, got preganant again, and had another little girl. In the meantime, the g/ma tried to get custody of the boy, but that failed, so she sued for visitation rights and won, but that boy started getting in trouble by the age 12, and ended up in juvie hall for something. The g/ma grieved that she ended up dying by the time he was almost grown. She had spent thousands of dollars going to court but it didn't work. Some judges will leave the kids with the mothers regardless of how bad it is.

 

[Leve]

Didn't CA say at one point, why would KC abandon the car on a main road where she (CA) would drive by it twice a day?

Didn't Kasey tell someone her Dad was buying her a new car? (somewhere in the 400 pages)

I always wonder if George and Cindy have a lot more to do with this - and they are throwing Kasey under the bus starting with CA's 911 call. I believe that Caylee never left the house on the 15th and was buried in the backyard then moved on the 24th.

 

[TxLady2]

There is not one person on this earth that could tell me to support my child who is alleged to have murdered my grand-baby. Yes, I would love said child, but support, NO!!!

I would tell NeJames and Baez to kiss my HINEY.

Me either, but try to consider that they don't believe Casey killed Caylee... they still think she was kidnapped and she will be found alive. I would think it would be very difficult for a mother to believe their child did harm to their grandchild. That's why so many people say that the A's are in total denial. No matter how much money she stole, or how many lies she's told.. they say that doesn't make her a murderer.
If I suspected that my daughter hurt my grandbaby, I would STILL have to have proof before I totally believed it... sorry, that's just the way I am. I don't accept things as fact until there is absolute proof or they tell me themselves that it is fact.
And... we really don't KNOW what we would do until we are faced with it.