2008.11.05 Nancy Grace

[Short_Stuff]

On the relese of the new defense paper;
I'm trying to remain calm, but I am fed up with the Anthonys lies saying Caylee was being searched alive, and I'm fed up with the defense trying to get the public to pity Casey on her mentality.
She is not mentally ill or depressed. People who are depressed are not out partying!.
She researched Choloroform online. She knew darn well what it could do to little Caylee.
Now I'm sick of this. Caylee was a human being. Where are her rights?
I hope to God TES finds her, and I hope to God justice is done for little Caylee.
But sorry I will not pity Casey.
I will pity little Caylee.

 

[Pondering Mind]

We still have yet to see Casey shed a tear for Caylee, for herself YES, but not one single tear for her daughter. People who accidently kill their children don't act like that.

No they don't. IF (Big If) it was an accident and she was afraid to tell Cindy, call 911 for whatever reason, I CAN NOT see how she could appear so happy in every pic and according to every interview of her friends. She would have been beside herself.

 

[Janis396]

And why are they bringing this crap up NOW? We've already been told to toss out any thoughts that she was depressed, that she gave something lethal to Caylee, and that she's nothing other than the perfect mother!

Because the search is looming....once they find Caylee, all bets are off, no negotiating or pleading charges down. They're desperate to get the DP off the table before TES finds Caylee this weekend.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Or as another poster mentioned, chloroform causes vomiting and headaches as it wears off. Can you imagine this baby being left alone in the dark, hot trunk and coming to, sick and vomiting, while her "mother" (and I use that term loosely) is God only knows where, partying her azz off. All unwittingly of course. :furious: Absolutely heartbreaking!

This is what nightmares are made of. My kids were scared of the "Boogeyman".
Caylee's Boogeyman was her Mother. I despise KC.

 

[Capri]

ok, somebody please explain to me how they can throw that out there, without admitting they know that's what she did? I mean legally, how is this a possible request?

 

[Pondering Mind]

I hate to even post this but does anyone think Caylee was in the trunk dying or dead when KC and AL were in Blockbuster's ?

Another thing, I didn't read this entire thread yet but, do you think the A's were told to stay away from visiting KC so maybe the attorneys could find out something in order to set up a defense case?

I don't know how the defense usually handles cases like this so just call me dumb.

Sadly, I think that could be a possibility. Either that or in the backyard of the A's.

 

[Janis396]

I hate to even post this but does anyone think Caylee was in the trunk dying or dead when KC and AL were in Blockbuster's ?

Another thing, I didn't read this entire thread yet but, do you think the A's were told to stay away from visiting KC so maybe the attorneys could find out something in order to set up a defense case?

I don't know how the defense usually handles cases like this so just call me dumb.

Bolded by me. They probably don't want any videotapes of Casey's visits with CA and GA where she acts perfectly normal. It would blow their "mental illness" attempt right out of the water.

 

[kiki the parrot]

ABA Death Penalty Guidelines

As upset as everyone is getting about this document, we should all be happy to see it as it shows she is receiving competent defense, which she has a right to. The defense in a capital case is required to do certain things to make sure every avenue that would keep their defendent alive has been pursued, including investigating avenues that the client may not agree with. Mental health has to be explored, family history, all mitigating circumstances have to be submitted as to why the client should not be executed (including age if relevant). Today's filing is simply a list of scenarios, most listed on this very website, as possiblities of what could have happened to Caylee that would not warrant the DP. They are not admitting anything. Plea deals have to be explored as well and if they are not it is a possible appeal basis for the client.

(bold mine)

ITA TY Red, a voice of reason. You're exactly right they're dotting their "I's" and crossing their "T's." I need to take a deep breath. JMO GO TES

 

[Pondering Mind]

This is what nightmares are made of. My kids were scared of the "Boogeyman".
Caylee's Boogeyman was her Mother. I despise KC.

I know, when I REALLY start thinking about poor Caylee in the trunk, I truly get sick to my stomach. And Casey didn't even have the decency to put her baby "mama" in there with her. Absolutely as cold hearted as a person can be IMO. I despise her too and I don't like myself for feeling that way about anyone, but I can't help it.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Or she just didn't give a chit and decided to take advantage of it. Looking at the pictures of her at Fusion, or even wrapped up at BlockBuster with TonE, doesn't look like pain, anguish or grief to me, I don't care how differently people grieve, that ain't it, in any shape form or fashion!

Both of my parents have died, My father-in-law, several Aunts and my husbands grandmother have all died, and I loved them all, dearly and imeasurably. I grieved for all of them, at different ages and times in my life but never, not one time did I go out and party my azz off.

 

[minazoe]

you know that one shot they always show on NG of Casey with JB ? the one where she has on a white bouse and she is wiping away faux tears? does anyone see even a hint of redness in her eyes? I don't even see a tear...i have watched it again and again, over and over...it's like S-Peterson's tears in his fireside interview.

no, she's a narcissistic sociopath and cannot imagine why everyone is so hysterical over some little snot nose.

 

[mandif3]

I think putting Caylee in the trunk of her car is just as horrible and giving her Xanax and/or chloroform. How do you put your baby in the trunk of your car....at NIGHT....out in a PARKING LOT....in the heat of the SUMMER....and leave her, walk away and go sleep peacefully in a nice comfy bed? HOW? :furious:

I agree with you 100%. I have a daughter who is 2 and a half and she wakes up at night sometimes still. Most toddlers do, needing comfort. I tear up thinking of the terror that Caylee must have endured. Just the thought of her waking up terrified and scared is heartbreaking. KC is a rotten monster of an animal. If it was such an accident then why didn't she confess along time ago? Why plead innocent and show a complete lack of emotion? Because its all about KC. I know it is awful to say but I feel tremendous hate for this woman!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[yosande]

:clap::clap: ITA. Unless you are giving the child exactly what the Dr said to give the child, I have no compassion. A parent is responsible for the child.
And I don't know of any doc that would tell a parent it's okay to give a kid xanax or chloroform. Casey is a HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT, she would have NO CLUE about a "safe" amt to give a child. Hellsbells, they even tell ya now not to use the OTC kid cold meds.

KC is not stupid. You make it sound like she couldn't read. lol
I do hope she was stupid enough to put her in a container that kept the animals away, so evidence is preserved, and the truth of what she did to her daughter is revealed. Caylee deserves justice. jmo

 

[Chilly Willy]

We really don't know that Casey chloroformed Caylee and then put her in the trunk. That's just ONE theory.

 

[Pondering Mind]

ok, somebody please explain to me how they can throw that out there, without admitting they know that's what she did? I mean legally, how is this a possible request?

Your guess is as good as mine. It was said that the defense leaked this on purpose. If that's the case, I have no idea what they hoped to accomplish.

 

[trafficsUP66]

I just signed on and this is the first Caylee thread I have read, I haven't read the about it. And I have always kind of thought that perhaps it was overdose, that she was using drugs as a babysitter. But with the defense throwing this out, in a way of throwing out some scenarios and see what will stick- more than anything it is making me wonder if the truth isn't worse. I do believe though that it is a sign that the defense is about to crack.

If this was an accidental OD, they could have taken it to trial and told a heart rending story, and most likely the jurors would have seen the little girl (KC) sitting there crying, talking about her pain and confusion and she never would have gotten the DP for a story of the accidental OD. So throwing this out there, I think is a sign that it is worse. And they don't want the full story told. I also think that they really fear the TES search. Which means the place is right.

But never in my life did I suspect that it would come to this. I never thought there would be any admissions at all from the defense.

Hi Everyone!
sorry if I'm too far behind on the thread--But
Been lurking since begnning of this case and like all here, highly affected by this little baby's demise.

And, I tend to believe also that it is much worse than mere over-dose--I have an awful feeling Caylee may have fought her mother upon entering that trunk & possibly why there is such a saturation of the chloroform--having spilled it during the struggle.

I keep thinking about the "accident" the invisible nanny had--with the broken arm, laceration and supposed concussion.
The "truth" in Casey's lies?

 

[whittymom4]

Because she wasn't discovered by Casey till many hour later in the trunk of her car-how do you explain that to EMS. Also, this is really gross-suppose she woke up and tried to get out and couldn't. Suppose she fought as hard as her little body could to get out of a locked trunk-how do you explain that to EMS?:furious:Burn Casey Burn:furious:

That poor baby, it breaks my heart to think of her there alone and crying, she probably cried out for hours. So where was the car? I cannot believe someone walking by wouldn't hear her.

She would be confused and scared, the sedatives could make her sick and possibly halucinate. I still think she left the pizza for Caylee to eat in case she was hungry while mom was gone and she was locked in the trunk.

The state should do to KC exactly what she did to Caylee. But not kill her, I want her to sit in jail for the rest of her pathetic life and think about what she did! And if she did it for TL what a joke...she probably thought he was going to become some famous rich DJ Rapper whatever and she would be hanging out with stars... Sorry for rambling, this just makes me so upset. :curses:

Does anyone else get tears while typing? I have went through many boxes of tissues the last few months. It is just too sad...:cry:

 

[impatientredhead]

Your guess is as good as mine. It was said that the defense leaked this on purpose. If that's the case, I have no idea what they hoped to accomplish.

The demand for info in this case is so high, I would guess that it was more likely leaked by someone who had access to it while it was being processed. I don't see what the benefit to the defense to leak it would be, don't think it would be beneficial to the prosecution either. Seems more opportunistic than strategic?

 

[Janis396]

I agree with you 100%. I have a daughter who is 2 and a half and she wakes up at night sometimes still. Most toddlers do, needing comfort. I tear up thinking of the terror that Caylee must have endured. Just the thought of her waking up terrified and scared is heartbreaking. KC is a rotten monster of an animal. If it was such an accident then why didn't she confess along time ago? Why plead innocent and show a complete lack of emotion? Because its all about KC. I know it is awful to say but I feel tremendous hate for this woman!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Don't feel bad for feeling that way, you are so not alone in it!! I feel the exact same way. She has done the worst thing a human being can do (IMO) and that is cruelly murder an innocent child, a child that trusted and loved her. And she did it in a way that guaranteed Caylee a painful, terrifying death, and she left her to die all ALONE. And they say what she did doesn't meet the standards for the DP??? Omg, it's beyond evil.

 

[minazoe]

dark...very dark indeed...yes I can see that...I can visualize that.