2008.11.13 - 11.14 LP J Blanchard Park Search #2

  • #741
Well, I have to beg to differ with "M" on this....I was listening to his live feed as this cowboy dude was doing his "thing", and M definitely made a comment about how it looked like the guy seemed like he'd had a "few" that day already.
Don't shoot the messenger :)

I am just posting what 'M' said @5:07 pm my time, 8:07 pm Florida time on his CAM. I have many windows open and when he says something to clear up something I make note of it.
 
  • #742
Don't shoot the messenger :)

I am just posting what 'M' said @5:07 pm my time, 8:07 pm Florida time on his CAM. I have many windows open and when he says something to clear up something I make note of it.

Oh, I'm definitely not shooting the messenger! :) I just was surprised by your post, because I clearly remember during the live feed hearing M's comment, as it made me really pay attention to the "cowboy" to see if I saw any type of drunk behavior from him at all. Maybe M's brain is just as fried as everyone else's lately with this case. BTW, I like M a lot, he seems like one of the really good guys in the midst of all this insanity.
 
  • #743
Oh, I'm definitely not shooting the messenger! :) I just was surprised by your post, because I clearly remember during the live feed hearing M's comment, as it made me really pay attention to the "cowboy" to see if I saw any type of drunk behavior from him at all. Maybe M's brain is just as fried as everyone else's lately with this case. BTW, I like M a lot, he seems like one of the really good guys in the midst of all this insanity.
You just have to take some things said, or seen on the CAM in stride, I do :D
 
  • #744
Ummm I wish i didnt watch that video:( Seeing TM sitting with the A's attorney made me sick to my stomach:( TM needs to stay clear of all of them period.Their not doing him or TES any favors! The A's are taking the focus off of them and applying it to LP. Next week it could be TM yet again.

It looks like TM is sick to his stomach! He's sitting there with MN and on the other side is the cowboy who started a ruckus at BP. After hearing TM sounding as if he was sobbing on NG Fri. night, makes me wonder if he realizes he's been played by the Anthony's and that whole hinky:eek:crew that supports them. Poor Tim! He's probably worried TES's reputation is ruined.
 
  • #745
"Tim Miller's divers out here, news cameras out here ... think how much money we could make, Tim".

Could this not also mean how much money could be made to help TES. Wasn't LP raising money for TES. If LP stated, "we", possibly he meant the two of them working together to raise funds for TES.

I'm not getting where anyone thinks LP is making any money on this. He has hotel rooms, food, fuel, plane tickets to pay for. At best I think he would be happy to recoup his expenses for helping search for Caylee. Doesn't TES basically recoup their expenses for searches from donations???

Maybe I'm naive, but that's exactly what I took away from him saying that.
 
  • #746
  • #747
It looks like TM is sick to his stomach! He's sitting there with MN and on the other side is the cowboy who started a ruckus at BP. After hearing TM sounding as if he was sobbing on NG Fri. night, makes me wonder if he realizes he's been played by the Anthony's and that whole hinky:eek:crew that supports them. Poor Tim! He's probably worried TES's reputation is ruined.

I feel this is probably what's happened.
 
  • #748
True, we don't know the exact words, however someone relating what was said directly to them is not considered hearsay. Regardless, if LP had implied that the money would be raised for TES, Tim wouldn't be upset about and never would have spoken out.

What makes you think that TM didn't conveniently leave part of LP's statement out? Also, regardless who the money was being raised for, remember TM was upset at LP and to cause problems, may have conveniently forgotten to mention the funds were for TES.
 
  • #749
Well, I have to beg to differ with "M" on this....I was listening to his live feed as this cowboy dude was doing his "thing", and M definitely made a comment about how it looked like the guy seemed like he'd had a "few" that day already.

Exactly, M made a statement something about the cowboy must have been in the 'hooch'. I was also watch the live feed at the time.
 
  • #750
If one has a good impression of LP, they could choose to believe that he meant something altruistic with that comment. I believe that LP's motivation for getting involved in this case was, from the very start, to gain fame and to pad his own pockets. What kind of caring person hopes to 'make money' by holding up a dead child's skull for the media cameras? Tim would never do something so totally cold and heartless, no matter how much it might generate in donations. Would the donations actually pour in at the end of a successful search when they were no longer needed to find that particular child, or would the money be made from media appearances, magazine spreads, books, etc.

LP did not say, "Think of the money TES would raise," or "Think of the money we could raise for TES." He said, "Think of the money we could make."

We have no way of knowing what, if any, expenses LP has paid out of his own pocket. He's done so many interviews for so many news agencies, many of which pay for travel, lodging, and expenses if not for the interview itself.

LP's bounty hunter show was canceled. He's run for mayor of Sacramento a number of times and received very few votes. He's shopping for a new reality series. If it costs him a few dollars to reach his personal goals, I'm sure he feels it's money well spent.


We have no way of knowing what Tim said is true or not.
 
  • #751
Many service stations provide large trash cans specifically for patrons to use. Let's not get carried away on irrelevant tangents like what happened yesterday with the cat.

And can we please think outside the box now and then? I'm sorry to sound impatient. . .

How about this? This park and the river was flooded during some of the hurricanes, and that was just a bag of garbage that floated in there from the surrounding area? And that's why the police labeled the stuff as "found objects" instead of evidence?

And a bone in a bag could be anything, and not necessarily a bone from a pet, right? It could just be garbage from a pork picnic for all we know.

Now, did anyone find anything in Blanchard Park yesterday, as in the name of this thread?
 
  • #752
I was watching the cam that day also. The cowboy guy was acting like he had had a few too many until something was brought up at of the river and then he was alert and and on his phone walking and moving just fine. When he had been in LP face early in the day he was waving his arms and acting just like the drunk does at your local bar when he wants to start a fight. I would have to go back and re read the thread but I think I even made a comment on his behavior at the time. I just don't remember if I posted that thought or told my hubby about it when he got home from work. It struck me odd then how this guy was acting like he was just a bothersome old fool until something looked like it was happening and then he acted alert and with it.
He was also talking to murt for a good long time and Murt had his sound on mute so you could not hear their conversation. He had my smells fishy nose twitching from the time he started to give LP a hard time.
I just looked at the clip with all of them lined up like ducks in a row. Something is not right with this picture and it is not the camera angle that is the problem.
 
  • #753
The public has been given so much non-specific, vague information by the news reports, etc. that we spend most of our time discussing interpretations of the data without really knowing what it is.

IMO

Firstly, I find it futile that he continued searching so intently that area of the river without any more information than the 4 points we already know:

that Casey spoke repeatedly of Blanchard Park, she had posted that song, Caylee had been at Blanchard Park several times and the crafted cross. If LP has inside information we are not privy to that would fixate him to that spot, then emphasize that fact, above all others--that he knows much more that he can't tell the public. Otherwise, I don't see this stuff as any more relevant than what websleuths has come up with.

Secondly, the media needs to have captions or descriptions that explain EXACTLY what was in that bag and how it was configured.
 
  • #754
We do not know exactly what LP said we ONLY know what TM said LP said......heresay.
You meant hearsay.

Bottom line, the statement TM quoted LP as saying is ambiguous. TM apparently took it a way which would indicate LP was trying to profit by looking for Caylee. The quote was later embellished with the skull comment. LP could have been trying to encourage TM to stay. "We" could have meant a cooperative action by LP and TM for the benefit of TES; like searching together. LP's follow-up actions, which help put things in context, were to give TES the portion of the money LP received on his website AND to refund the money to the donors. LP is wealthy in his own right. He doesn't need money. Everyone has had moments when their statements have been misinterpreted. We know LP states his theories and thinks out loud on the NG show, but people characterize it as changing his mind or insisting. He doesn't know. He's thinking out loud. But, if a poster doesn't like his character style they couch his comments as negative. He's a little rough around the edges. He doesn't have the polish that other characters do. But still, there are smoother talkers in this saga that don't have a good reputation for honesty. Okay.
 
  • #755
I am so on your page, ThoughFox. Any combination of events could have coincided to produce that bag of stuff--and I agree with the flooding. Where I live is prone to flooding and the public discusses all of the time, the weird cache of discarded stuff (in ocean terms: flotsam and jetsam).
 
  • #756
The fact is, some human beings are pigs - and I mean that in the nicest possible way ;) Where there are people, there is trash...in our parks, in our rivers, along the roadsides, etc. Chances are that none of it is connected to Caylee.
 
  • #757
You are so right, Chilly Willy. And I wouldn't put it beyond someone of that mindset to arbitrarily throw toys, food bones, and bricks in a garbage bag.
 
  • #758
mitzi
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[Quote:
Originally Posted by TotallyObsessed
Miller said during the weekend search, Padilla had begged Miller to use his own divers to search the river. Miller recounted the conversation, saying Padilla said to him, "Tim Miller's divers out here, news cameras out here ... think how much money we could make, Tim."

Oh, but its OK for TM to go on NG and WHINE about not having money and how expensive the searches are, etc. etc. Hmpffffff, at least LP is direct and to the point


At least LP said it in private to TM...but TM has to say his in front of the camera...I'm just sickened.


Totally Obsessed's words in blue, yours in red.


You compared Tim's asking for donations to TEQ (which is more than Tim's wallet, btw) to Leonard's telling Tim that they could PERSONALLY make a lot of money.

You don't have to say "profit" to mean "profit."[/QUOTE]



Sorry kgeaux, but I don't see at all how you interpreted my comment of "At least LP said it in private to TM...but TM has to say his in front of the camera" as having anything to do with comparing "what" was said, my comment was to compare "how/or in what manner" it was said...you seem to be trying to put words in my mouth.:confused:
 
  • #759
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bolded by me..........How do you know that LP meant PERSONALLY and not for search efforts? Seems to me that LP did not want TM pull out because of lack of funds.


Because Tim said that Leonard "Think of all the money WE could make, Tim!" while talking about Tim holding up Caylee's skull. He didn't say, money for equasearch, money for the search effort, he said "WE." And how anyone can still respect this man after he puts Caylee's skull and money into the same sentence is beyond me.

I believe Tim when he says Leonard said it. I have read extensively about the past histories of both of these men, and not one thing I've read would make me believe Tim would lie about this. I also believe that Tim would still be searching EXCEPT that to protect the reputation of TEQ, he had to disassociate from Leonard Padilla.
 
  • #760
Sorry kgeaux, but I don't see at all how you interpreted my comment of "At least LP said it in private to TM...but TM has to say his in front of the camera" as having anything to do with comparing "what" was said, my comment was to compare "how/or in what manner" it was said...you seem to be trying to put words in my mouth.:confused:

If Leonard asked Tim to hold Caylee's skull up before cameras "privately" that doesn't make it ok to me. I can well imagine that Leonard would know that to say such a thing publically would ruin him for the rest of his life. It doesn't make it wrong for Tim to "out" him, either, not privately, OR publically. I can actually understand WHY he would need to "tell on" Leonard publically, since the public were the ones who were (in Tim's experienced eye) being duped by Leonard. I am THANKFUL Tim explained why he pulled out of the search, I am THANKFUL he exposed Leonard's motives.

If I misunderstood your comments about Leonard and Tim, I apologize.
 

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