2008.11.20 The Significance of Cindy's "Silent Interview"--Did Cindy "Know"?

[Mom4life]

Interesting that around 1:15 the question asked to GA is who has given you any useful advice? His response is KFN, MB and each other. The camera pans out and after a pause GA says 'That's how I would like to sorta answer that'. He also adds Dominic while slightly glancing towards CA..If you look at CA bodily response just to hearing his name she takes a deep breath and tenses her mouth and body. Almost as if to compose herself because it upset her. I find it curious that his name gave her this reaction.

 

[Just Jayla]

~snipped from Just Jayla~....ETA-Pure speculation, but maybe CA was upset that she had to (in her mind) leave her grand daughter down the block so that KC would not be in any more trouble-That would disturb and twist anyone's mind.

I think you nailed it!!! Wow!!!! How awful for CA, what a spot to be in in......Why she did not speak up .........................

Inappropriate guilt. Guilt makes people do things they otherwise would never do in a healthy state of mind. It makes people stay with their abusers, it makes people excuse horrific actions. Inappropriate because she is not responsible for the murder, though she probably feels that she could be, and we know that CA is desperate to have some sense of control in her life-as sick as it sounds, CA may have even wanted to have control over this whole thing. KWIM? If she could save KC's life, she could be the one to rectify it all, she would be the driver.
Without any kind of counseling, it is hard to say where a mind can take a person in a situation like this.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Interesting that around 1:15 the question asked to GA is who has given you any useful advice? His response is KFN, MB and each other. The camera pans out and after a pause GA says 'That's how I would like to sorta answer that'. He also adds Dominic while slightly glancing towards CA..If you look at CA bodily response just to hearing his name she takes a deep breath and tenses her mouth and body. Almost as if to compose herself because it upset her. I find it curious that his name gave her this reaction.

I noticed that also Mom4life - the mere mention of his (DC's) name by George certainly evoked some uncomfortable feelings; uncomfortable to the point that it appeared Cindy was attempting to remain (or regain) composed - or should I say comitose...:crazy:
AMOO~

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

Im thinking just knowing your daughter is accused of killing your grand-daughter is enough to make CA feel as it seems she is feeling.

Maybe she heard GA had a mistress to top it all off?


Or maybe she knew Caylee was dead.

That is definately NOT the CA we have come to know.

However that behavior seems appropriate.

DC staring at her from across the room is kinda creepy though !

---> When did LA get a lawyer and stop talking?

IMO, Dominic looks traumatized. Forgive me if I've overlooked this but was this particular vigil held after DC had searched in the woods for Caylee? TIA~

 

[suepitzl]

How would DC have verified/identified what he was sent to the woods to find was Caylee, 6 months later?

 

[Capri]

I don't think there were usual events like this, it's one of a kind. It was called the National Vigil for Hope and was started by Michelle Bart in 2008 because of Caylee. I find it very creepy how Dominic is sitting all by himself on the edge just looking at everyone.

See, that's why it's so good to have many opinions here. IMHO, just looking at that pic, Dominik looks protective. You got creepy, I got protective. You never know with all the craziness in these players!

 

[affinity]

There is knowing, and then there is letting yourself KNOW. Having been in LE himself, no-one will EVER convince me that GA did not know exactly what that smell in the trunk meant the minute he smelled it. PERIOD. He can backpedal all he wants but there is no mistaking a rotten pizza smell and the smell of death. Decomp has a very distinct, bad, rotten fruit, but funkier, nastier smell. Old nasty pizza smells completely different. I think he knew, but didn't want to and kept his opinion to himself because what it meant was too damn horrific to process.

As for CA, she may have strongly suspected, but I think that day of the interview was the first time she had allowed herself to KNOW KNOW. That is why we see a numbed, silent, defeated CA. What we saw, was the pause in between, while switching gears from the still hoping gramma, desperately searching for her precious Caylee to the damage controlling, venom spewing, true color showing person we see after this point in time. Once she let herself KNOW KNOW, there was no more reason to put up the supportive mom, worried gramma, nice lady, please help me find my babygirl front.

I so completely agree with the KNOW KNOW thing. All the time I can think of things from this case that remind me of things from my own life. I was married for a very long time to a great guy. He truly was an exceptional person and I felt like I won the jackpot with him. HOWEVER, much of my idolization and hero worship was based in hope and trust...and "manufactured" fantasies of my own. If anyone would have told me that he was cheating on me I would NEVER have believed it. NEVER! I can remember someone sort of trying to "go there" in a discussion with me and I recall distinctly "sticking up" for my then husband by explaining that he is a friendly guy and what seems like flirtation is only friendliness. WELL. You have already guessed. He indeed had cheated on me during those years when I could not have possibly have "gone there. I was a Cindy type----unable to KNOW KNOW when it came to someone so important in my life.

CA and I must have something in our own upbringing that makes us so willing to forsake common sense in favor of blind "devotion" to our important person. CA likely needs a psychiatrist to sort through what has happened to her. She has to accept defeat here. To her--admitting to anyone that KC is capable of harming Caylee would mean accepting some of the responsibility herself.

 

[Capri]

(BBM)


IMO, Dominic looks traumatized. Forgive me if I've overlooked this but was this particular vigil held after DC had searched in the woods for Caylee? TIA~

yes, the vigil for hope was on Nov. 20. DC was supposedly in the woods 3 days in a row, Nov. 15, 16, & 17.

 

[ynotdivein]

How would DC have verified/identified what he was sent to the woods to find was Caylee, 6 months later?

I'm thinking of Hoover's 11/15 or 16 film of DC picking up that blanket on a stick near the eventual discovery site, at the very least. Who knows what else they came across.

 

[magic-cat]

(BBM)


IMO, Dominic looks traumatized. Forgive me if I've overlooked this but was this particular vigil held after DC had searched in the woods for Caylee? TIA~

November 20th I believe...

 

[Searchfortruth]

I have wondered that also. And I began wondering that after hearing CA speak this sentence in the civil deposition: "Well he didn't find Caylee that day.......................................................". WTH?? To me if he (DC) had never found her then CA should have said, "Well he never found Caylee so......". But she says, "Well, he never found Caylee THAT DAY......". I got a weird feeling the first time I heard that and I still have that feeling, like she slipped up there, almost catastrophically, but Mr. M unknowingly helped her recover by saying "He never found Caylee". "That day" implies one day, DC went out there 3 times, so CA saying "that day", combined with the video of her looking absolutely out of it within days of DC going there, MN quitting....... I don't think it unreasonable to have suspicions about Caylee's body being located by DC mid Nov.

It is Cindy's depo video #15 on youtube around the 8:00 minute mark (in case this video link is embeded)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWfvYaSB1i0&feature=related


:cow:

Great find Doogiesgirl ! He didn't find her THAT day, wow ! Also, kudos to Affinity for finding Cindy's statement, in the same deposition, that they did work with a psychic who until November thought Caylee was alive. This at the 8:44 mark in the video.

All of this coupled with the pictures at the vigil, video of interview on the 21st (where Cindy is not responsive), plus all of the other events leaves no doubt in my mind that they knew by November (if not before that).

 

[TorisMom003]

Slightly OT but it does have to do with Cindy, George and D Casey knowing that Caylee was in the woods. This would also explain why the defense team was so adament about wanting to go in those woods when those remains were found BEFORE it was proven that it was Caylee. I don't remember the defense doing this the other time before when some remains were found. That tells me that the defense knew for a fact that it was Caylee. Now, did they know from Casey (who also clearly knew) or did they know from D Casey, Cindy, George, etc?

 

[magic-cat]

Interesting to me is the fact that Mr. Hoover went to EquaSearch and reported a "tip" on November 8th. This was a FULL WEEK before the first search occurred in those woods...that WE know of. So sometime, WAY before Caylee was found SOMEBODY got some information about those woods, and I think the fact that Cindy states "he didn't dfind her THAT day" means he did find her on another day. Who knows WHAT he removed from the scene? BUT it is EVIDENT from Cindy's silent interview that she had received some kind of PROOF positive that Caylee was indeed dead and she was unable to cope with being faced with that fact.

I think they all need to just come clean...MUCH cleaner than the FAKE baptism left them!

 

[logicalgirl]

OMG. Cindy Anthony looks exactly like I would expect someone to look like after being told her beloved granddaughter was dead.

Either that or she is drugged up.

To me, the silence on this tape speaks volumes.

Tricia

ETA: the comments on YouTube make me so angry. No matter how you feel about the Anthony's there is no need to be cruel.

Both don't you think Tricia? A dead beloved granddaughter and drugged up just to stay alive.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

ITA, we never heard 1 thing from Ga during the 911.
He was upset over the smell of the car, but NEVER called LE, yet he was LE once!
IMO, I always thought thhat GA helped KC cover up some things.
CA knew the smell, but denied everything like she did KC pregnancy til
she had PROOF...........
IMO, CA got her PROOF.
Then after the 30th went back into 'FIND CAYLEE' mode.
IIRC, they were in CAL when they got news about Caylee and calmly
returned on the plane to a hotel and dinner with a group in Fla.
That whole thing was awful, they knew before they went to CA.
Not upset that day.

I've read only up to this post so far so I'm sorry if the following point has been brought up (but it's not a popular one).

I have felt all along that MAYBE one of KC's parents has known all along what happened to Caylee or that maybe an accident even happen to Caylee while under the care of one of them.

During this interview, CA's head is down through the 2:40 min. mark - the camera pans in on GA and stays there until about 4:20 when he is being reminded that he may have to testify against his daughter to a grand jury. Now, the camera pans out and CA is looking (deeply looking as if to pierce him in his face) while GA replies that he'd rather not go in that direction at the moment. He says something like 'one never knows' and 'should have been cooperation from day one' and 'never was, never was' and he looks down (shame) and then he looks up as if to control his facial expression. Throughout the rest of the interview he holds his head pretty steady and just yaks on and on while CA looks beaten.

Whatever, whoever found out what that day, it affected CA and the Lawyer. MN stated he would not defend KC, so it's safe to assume he discovered that one of the A's was already defending her. Add this to the discovery that was released yesterday that includes the testimony from TM and staff. It is very confusing as their testimony uncovers how KC's parents flipflop regarding their support regarding the search for Caylee. GA greets the team by stating 'who are these clowns?'. CA goes "ballistic" and throws the team out when she decides they are looking for a deceased Caylee. GA, they say, acts as if KC knows where Caylee can be found. But on this video of Nov. 20, 1008, GA has taken a total about face and is insisting that the search is still for an alive Caylee - in a few short weeks the world will know that Caylee is dead.

What is with their ever changing stances? Today, we know, they both maintain that somebody else took Caylee.

Also, it has always struck me odd that when GA came home the night the 911 calls were made by CA he can be heard saying in the background 'you already called'. As passionflower points out above - is that a normal reaction when we consider the whole scenario; pool ladder talk, missing for 31 days, car abandonment and SMELL, reporting to work that day versus alerting LE pronto. Come on, come on.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I suppose it could be that there was something going on with DC and CA, and that's how she found out something GA didn't know. It does appear those two are on the same wave length at the vigil, but CA body posture looks almost self protective huddled into herself. What kind of hope Caylee's alive is this?

Cindy's shoulders are down, slumped in a no hope posture, in both the video and the pics from the Hope vigil. In the video, she is so folded into herself, she should've worn a better bra. Whatever it was that got to Cindy seemed to knock all the air out of her, and it was something conclusive pointing to KC actually killing Caylee, IMHO.

P.S. Just one more thought, could it be that's when CA found out KC had hired JB on June 17th? That would say alot to someone even in deep denial.

BBM - Really? KC hired JB on June 17, 2008? Do you mean July 17, 2008? If not, I've never heard this before. Is this common knowledge?

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

BBM - Really? KC hired JB on June 17, 2008? Do you mean July 17, 2008? If not, I've never heard this before. Is this common knowledge?

Only since Jose B said it on the witness stand last week, under oath.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM. GA is doing a good job of lying er covering. He's a con artist. He knew the first time he smelled that smell. Remember him saying a prayer that the girls weren't in the trunk before opening it at the junkyard? And yet instead of doing what most of us would have done by freaking out and screaming for 911, he drives the car home and hides it in his garage. Tells CA don't worry, go back to work. This is the same thing he's doing in that video. The only time I've seen the guy crack over this is when he threw up at recalling the smell.

ETA: I stand corrected. GA goes back to work.

They both go back to work. The interviews with the Gentiva folks confirm that CA returned to work and talked about bailing out the smelly car. Her coworkers advised her to call the police and she said she was hoping to get KC's side of the story or something like that first. :waitasec:

Also GA claims that CA (his other mommy) advised him to go to his 'new' job. GA frequently reports to work at odd times in order to gain a fresh perspective on things. It seems he does this out of CA's advisement. I've never known someone who has so many 'new' jobs.

 

[Paintr]

I've read only up to this post so far so I'm sorry if the following point has been brought up (but it's not a popular one).

I have felt all along that MAYBE one of KC's parents has known all along what happened to Caylee or that maybe an accident even happen to Caylee while under the care of one of them.

During this interview, CA's head is down through the 2:40 min. mark - the camera pans in on GA and stays there until about 4:20 when he is being reminded that he may have to testify against his daughter to a grand jury. Now, the camera pans out and CA is looking (deeply looking as if to pierce him in his face) while GA replies that he'd rather not go in that direction at the moment. He says something like 'one never knows' and 'should have been cooperation from day one' and 'never was, never was' and he looks down (shame) and then he looks up as if to control his facial expression. Throughout the rest of the interview he holds his head pretty steady and just yaks on and on while CA looks beaten.

Whatever, whoever found out what that day, it affected CA and the Lawyer. MN stated he would not defend KC, so it's safe to assume he discovered that one of the A's was already defending her. Add this to the discovery that was released yesterday that includes the testimony from TM and staff. It is very confusing as their testimony uncovers how KC's parents flipflop regarding their support regarding the search for Caylee. GA greets the team by stating 'who are these clowns?'. CA goes "ballistic" and throws the team out when she decides they are looking for a deceased Caylee. GA, they say, acts as if KC knows where Caylee can be found. But on this video of Nov. 20, 1008, GA has taken a total about face and is insisting that the search is still for an alive Caylee - in a few short weeks the world will know that Caylee is dead.

What is with their ever changing stances? Today, we know, they both maintain that somebody else took Caylee.

Also, it has always struck me odd that when GA came home the night the 911 calls were made by CA he can be heard saying in the background 'you already called'. As passionflower points out above - is that a normal reaction when we consider the whole scenario; pool ladder talk, missing for 31 days, car abandonment and SMELL, reporting to work that day versus alerting LE pronto. Come on, come on.

BBM

I mentioned this comment by GA the other day. It sounds as if he was upset that Cindy had called authorities. If George had arrived home a few minutes sooner, would the now famous 911 call ever have been made?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

GA told LE that he let CA go on about it being pizza because he did not have the heart to disagree with her. "It's pizza, right George?"
"....I would ask you to let me know so I can prepare my wife, because this is going to kill her."

Did GA ever start/try to prepare CA? It will be two year on June 16 or July 15, however you want to look at it since Caylee's been 'away'.

I guess they have no alternative than to accept her death but they can't accept that KC could have caused Caylee's death. In the beginning, GA seemed to accept that (was that his act, his script, his plan - why?). How can GA reconcile his early interviews to his claims today - that someone outside the family is to blame for Caylee's death. Explain how an outside person gained access to KC's car and why KC never showed an alive Caylee to them after June 16, 2008. Furthermore, explain why this was acceptable to you, the grandparents, when you knew something was amiss. GA told LE that he chased KC in his car, that he asked her on the 24th to explain where Caylee was (he doesn't include this part in all of his interviews), that he was 'missing his little person that he saw everyday' and therefore :waitasec: came to his mind - GA says things like that to LE. He complains to them that CA was accusatory towards him when she found the pool ladder up and gate open while, in the meantime, his granddaughter is 'missing'. Explain these conflicts GA. Why did you and CA ignore these 'red flags' especially beyond the July 4th timeframe? Any other 'normal' family would have issued a red alert at that time.

I, along with many other people, are short on compassion only due to the above. The conflict and the lies get in the way of our having compassion. Yet we remain compassionate for Caylee, the girl stuck in the middle of selfishness, conflict and divided interests. The little girl who, people claim to adore, but could not hear anyone's cries other than their own. Little Caylee was lost in the shuffle of denial and you're still at it - either denial or lies. Put an 'X' on the map George and tell the truth for once in your conniving life.