2008.12.25 Is it a Book in the Woods?

[SeriouslySearching]

Just to clarify because I have gotten a pm.
The original title of the thread was that a news station reported that LE had confirmed that the book was the same one.
But there is no record of LE confirming that so that leaves us to discuss all the possibilities of that picture in the photo.

Aha! Thanks for clearing that up for me, JBean! :blowkiss:

 

[SuziQ]

Someone that owned this book posted the page in question. Does anyone remember that and know where to find it to post it here?

 

[Mysticj]

I don't see birds.

MO. looks like a bird or (in that family) to me. This must be a series of books about animals. They do look like the same type of book.

 

[maur33]

I've posted this before in another format on the "Crime Scene Photos" thread, but I think it belongs here too.

Is the book Caylee was reading on the video the same book we see on the crime scene photos? You decide. I wish the pixellation on the crime scene photograph was better.... enlarging it made it very blurry

I would say that I am certain that it is the same book. Both books are bright yellow and both books have a cat on the page, the logical conclusion to me is that it is the same book.

The top photo of the book found in the woods clearly has a picture of a cat on it, it may be a different page than the one's identified in the video but the similarties in size and color are such that they really must be the same book.

I doubt inmate casey left the book with her for comfort but I imagine Caylee's spirit was happy to have something familiar tossed away with her.

 

[NonnaB]

The description of Caylee's book, "Suppertime for Frieda Fuzzypaws", in the Library of Congress online catalogue, states that there are 14 pages in this book. Mohabi kindly posted pictures from the video of Caylee reading her book, but the little one appears to have skipped a few, as there are only 10 pages appearing during the video. I think I have located a copy of this book in a nearby town's library; am running out now to try to check all the pages and make copies. Hopefully the book will be on the shelf and we will find a match with the book found in the woods.

 

[cook78]

I do not see anything in those closeups that make me feel like this is the same book.

Unless there are leaves, mold or other debris on the pages completely disrupting the pattern (which in 6 months I guess could definitely happen) the yellow color and size are the only similarities. There are probably a lot of books that are yellow and even more that are of that size.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

School Library Journal : ea. vol: illus. by author. unpaged. Golden. Sept. 1985. BD $4.95. PreS-Gr 1 Four short, simple board books with illustrations of soft, familiar animals. In Good Night, Sammy, a small fox is too restless to sleep. The text is weighed down by nonsensical alliteration, such as Sammy's blanket going ``kickety-kick'' and his paw going ``twitchety-twitch,'' and it is the weakest of the four. Hide-and-Seek Duck searches for his hidden friend Little Rabbitwho is seen on every page watching Duckand meets other animals going about their everyday business. Nothing-to-do Puppy is bored but tries his father's suggestion to ask his friends Pussycat, Turtle and Mouse to join a Nothing-to-Do Club. All of his friends are preoccupied, so Puppy predictably joins them in their activities of reading, mud-pie making and dancing. Frieda, in Suppertime for Frieda Fuzzypaws, is a kitten who tries to trick her parents into letting her eat cookies instead of her dinner. In all four books, the illustrations, in vibrant watercolors, show detailed, fluffy, cuddly animals, displaying human-like qualities in life styles, clothes and homes. Good purchases for toddler collections. Connie M. Hornyak, Lake County Public Library, Merrillville, Ind.

http://www.youseemore.com/BristolPL...65122429&Author=Robert+Morgan&Title=Gap+Creek

I bet this was Casey's as it was one of my dd's fav books.

 

[DesSands]

I want to nail her to the tree worse than many...but this book find is only circumstancial...chain of custody can't be proven...just like the fluids in the car...BUT...combined with all other info....this is another nail in the coffin...now if they have something of KC's at the scene...glasses, etc..thats better...and if they have shoe prints, or matching soil on her shoes from her home, even better...if they have any items on a receipt from JCP etc bought after June 15 that were in the bag, thats even better yet..finally, if they have her hair, saliva, blood, sweat, etc...done deal.

Hi Valrico, IMO they have the boots or shoes KC was wearing, that's why they ran over and took them in the last search. I think they are going to match up the treads on thr bottom, as they did in OJ case with the Bruno shoes. CA fought them over the JCP receipts, but I'm sure they have all the records of what was replaced.
Worse than the above is that CA is a neat freak. I think and she surely knows what Caylee had and what was missing. So she has known all along and the obstruction chgs. would be well warranted.

 

[kgeaux]

Can someone find a link to the police saying this is the book? This could be poor journalism.

I'm glad this question was asked early on. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly something becomes "fact."

SS, I didn't mean to make you concede, not at all! I myself don't think it's the same book. I'm trying to compare "patterns" between the crime scene book and Caylee's book and I'm sorry to say, I just cant find a pattern at all.

I don't think it's the same book either. The colors are similar, the patterns are not. If the crime scene photos are of a book which has been exposed to the elements for six months, part of the time spent underwater, I'm not sure there ARE any patterns to see at the crime scene. Surely any book left out in similar circumstances would have faded, degraded, become stained by decomposing leaves, etc. I honestly can't believe that the perfect 90 angle we're seeing as the edge of the cover/page of a book would be anywhere NEAR perfect after such exposure!

ok, the book on the 15th is about kittens or cats..The other has birds not cats. Can't be the same book.

Totally agree about the cats; can't say I see any birds! Of course, my eyes on are the "downside" of the hill!

I would say that I am certain that it is the same book. Both books are bright yellow and both books have a cat on the page, the logical conclusion to me is that it is the same book.

The top photo of the book found in the woods clearly has a picture of a cat on it, it may be a different page than the one's identified in the video but the similarties in size and color are such that they really must be the same book.

I doubt inmate casey left the book with her for comfort but I imagine Caylee's spirit was happy to have something familiar tossed away with her.

Well, now. Mystic sees birds, Maur clearly sees a cat! I'll admit that when I look at the dark spot, I see nothing more than a dark spot!: the picture is so indistinct that I can't say more than that.

SeriouslySearching has given us an idea. Although the link is confusing to me (what does Gap Creek by Robert Morgan have to do with books written by Cyndy Szekeres?)
The link shows the book to be one of a series. It can't be the series discussed on the link, because those are small board books, but what if the book (IF it's a book!) in the woods is one of a series that Caylee owns? IOW, not the same book, but a companion?

 

[babycat]

I don't know if this has been mentioned or if it helps at all, but I think the book could have survived standing water. During Hurricane Katrina everything here was under water, specifically the office I worked at, and we had patient files that were stuck in standing water for a long time- we were still finding files when low lying areas started evaporating. They were just plain paper folders and paper files, yet you could still even read the ink on many of the pages..and they were just printed with a regular printer/copier. And these papers has been tossed around like mad during the storm-from inside of our office in their cozy little shelves, to the very end of our property, back in the woods...

just my quick two cents

 

[BeanE]

You can search here: http://www.worldcat.org/

and see what libraries the book is at near you for anyone interested.

Go to the Book search tab. Search for the book title. It will bring up more than one book. Click the 'Suppertime for Frieda Fuzzypaws' link. Scroll down to the Libraries section.

 

[kgeaux]

I don't know if this has been mentioned or if it helps at all, but I think the book could have survived standing water. During Hurricane Katrina everything here was under water, specifically the office I worked at, and we had patient files that were stuck in standing water for a long time- we were still finding files when low lying areas started evaporating. They were just plain paper folders and paper files, yet you could still even read the ink on many of the pages..and they were just printed with a regular printer/copier. And these papers has been tossed around like mad during the storm-from inside of our office in their cozy little shelves, to the very end of our property, back in the woods...

just my quick two cents

None of the items you've listed survived in perfect condition, right? The photo of the book in the woods shows the edges of the cover/page to be close to perfect. There's no bubbling, swelling, tearing, wearing away, etc. So, IMO, while it is possible for the book to survive, even PROBABLE that it would survive in some form, it is improbable that it would survive in a clearly recognizable, almost undamaged condition.

Maybe I'm the only one thinking this, but IF (and that is a HUGE IF in my mind!) this is one of Caylee's books, maybe LE got all excited BECAUSE it was in too good of condition? Perhaps they think the condition is such that would suggest it was dropped off near the body at a LATER DATE.

Now THAT is something I can see causing LE to swiftly return to the Anthony home for another search: If the book were seen IN the home during the first searches and NOW is in the woods.........well, LE needs to know if the book in the woods is a (coincidental or not) duplicate or if the book from the home somehow made it to the site where the body was found.

Just shows you how my mind works!

 

[Mohabi]

The description of Caylee's book, "Suppertime for Frieda Fuzzypaws", in the Library of Congress online catalogue, states that there are 14 pages in this book. Mohabi kindly posted pictures from the video of Caylee reading her book, but the little one appears to have skipped a few, as there are only 10 pages appearing during the video. I think I have located a copy of this book in a nearby town's library; am running out now to try to check all the pages and make copies. Hopefully the book will be on the shelf and we will find a match with the book found in the woods.

I can't wait to see the missing pages!!! I hope you find the book, Nonna!

 

[Kimmer]

O.k. guys my father retired from the printing industry and here is what I have found out about how children storybooks are printed.

1. Just the inside pages are laminated and the outer edge of the thick page are not sealed, with this form the page itself will only bubble if the book is subjected to large amounts of water it will cause the water to seep into the crack and that is what will bubble the page (large amounts of water would be required to do this).

2. The whole page is laminated edges and all when printed this way it makes no diference how much water it is subjected to or for how long it is subjected to the water it will never harm the pages, but the book would not float away.

Now keep in mind the 2nd way is more expensive and for that reason the front flap and back flap of the book is normally not laminated this would be the first part of the book to break apart when water is put on it like any normal hardbound book.

Dirt-On a laminated page that is just subjected to a dry dirty enviroment the laminated pages will get dirty and would need to be wiped down, but if there is any water in that enviroment it will cause the dirt and debrise to roll right off of the pages that are laminated and therefore you would not see any dirt on the pages.

I hope I have explained this well enough to understand any questions just ask and I will get the pro involved

hope this helps explain how it could have survived

 

[beckaroozie]

I think the set up for the zanny took her was when KC told LE that Caylee called her on July 15th and was reading that book. Yuri didn't buy it and said something like: your daughter was kidnapped, hadn't seen you in a month, and when she finally gets to talk to you, she's not upset, she doesn't say she misses you, she doesn't ask any questions; she just casually says she's reading her favorite book! BTW, there was no record of that phone call.

EXACTLY - if LE can prove the TOD was prior to July 15, then they can use all of her extraneous details about that phone call to PROVE she had knowledge of what would be found with the body, and was trying to cover it up...the devil is in the details KC and you're gonna get skewered with the pitchfork. That would be blessed irony. Just IMO.

 

[Mohabi]

Maybe I'm the only one thinking this, but IF (and that is a HUGE IF in my mind!) this is one of Caylee's books, maybe LE got all excited BECAUSE it was in too good of condition? Perhaps they think the condition is such that would suggest it was dropped off near the body at a LATER DATE.

Now THAT is something I can see causing LE to swiftly return to the Anthony home for another search: If the book were seen IN the home during the first searches and NOW is in the woods.........well, LE needs to know if the book in the woods is a (coincidental or not) duplicate or if the book from the home somehow made it to the site where the body was found.

Just shows you how my mind works!

I like the way your mind works. I too think that there is no way this book survived 6 months in the woods, in almost pristine condition. I know that these laminated cardboard books do get damaged by moisture, specially when the edge of a page gets wet. The moisture seeps into the cardboard and when it swells it makes the page bubble up underneath the lamination. After 4 kids and hundreds of laminated books, and hundreds more spills, I should know. Spills don't "always" end up exactly on the page, where they can be wiped up.

6 months in the woods, surviving rain and flood, and looking like that?
Nahh..... The same goes for the photographs found. Just take a photograph, let it soak in water over night, and then let it air dry in the sun. See what happens. If it doesn't curl up enough yet, soak it for another few nights

 

[Bobbisangel]

I don't see birds.

I don't either. It looks like the same kittens to me and the book is the same color. I can see Casey grabbing the book and putting it into the bag with Caylee if Caylee had the book with her when she was murdered.

 

[Mysticj]

I like the way your mind works. I too think that there is no way this book survived 6 months in the woods, in almost pristine condition. I know that these laminated cardboard books do get damaged by moisture, specially when the edge of a page gets wet. The moisture seeps into the cardboard and when it swells it makes the page bubble up underneath the lamination. After 4 kids and hundreds of laminated books, and hundreds more spills, I should know. Spills don't "always" end up exactly on the page, where they can be wiped up.

6 months in the woods, surviving rain and flood, and looking like that?
Nahh..... The same goes for the photographs found. Just take a photograph, let it soak in water over night, and then let it air dry in the sun. See what happens. If it doesn't curl up enough yet, soak it for another few nights

If the items were in the (double Bag of plastic) then they were not in the elements. Right?

 

[Bobbisangel]

I'm sure they're holding onto pertinent photos. We haven't seen any pics of the actual remains either.

I sincerely hope that they have the decency to NEVER put pictures of the remains on the internet or anywhere else but at the trial. I don't know why we would need to see that poor little baby's remains.

 

[sometimer]

The book could have been in the backpack most of the time. The backpack may have never been underwater. We know the are was flooded at some point, but we also know there was a slope and maybe it was discarded a little bit higher. We don't know if the other item we see is a backpack. Maybe the backpack is a little more water resistant than we think. I think it is possible for a book such as that to survive.
It doesn't appear to be the same book she was reading, but I think it may be the same type of book. It is definantly a childs book, and a book she might have.
If the family refuses to admit this was one of her books and they find evidence it was they will surely charge them with obstructing justice.
There are many pictures of Caylee I wonder if the book may be in the background of any of them?