2008.12 Stay at the Ritz

[Ms.Heather]

The problem is, the police are accusing their mother of the year daughter of murder. So, in CA's mind they are the enemy!

The defense team (spin doctors) and Media (money source) will cater to the A's and let them listen to what they want to hear (Ica's still innocent).
I'm sure they had a pow-wow of what the story will be for the press.
And we can't forget, the A's already had a clue that their grand-daughter was dead. Perhaps the dinner was a kind of sick deluded celebration that the charade they'd been portraying can finally come to an end!

It's stressful to lie..can't sleep, eat, or even think! Just ask Cindy!

BBM: I think this has been the problem with the A's from "Day Two" they started to look at the people who had Caylee's best interest in mind as the people who were "out to get them". They all talked about wanting to find Caylee... but they treated the very people who could help them the most... the worse. They really do baffle me... but again, I've never been in such situation.

I thought that they knew of the discovery of the body before they boarded the plane... This case has so many stories, that the stories have stories of their own! Its so hard to keep track of everything!

 

[LolaMoon08]

It is extremely hard to keep up with this case... because there is just so much. I try and review old discovery... and I am a lot more calm when reading it the second time... and I understand it a little bit more. It really is amazing the amount of information we have on this case. I love the Sunshine Laws.

As for Cindy and George having a nice dinner at the Ritz... I don't care how they got there. I don't care how it was paid for. What I don't understand is how they could show their faces in public... eating crab puffs at the Ritz while LE was on their hands and knees searching for every possible bone they could find of Caylee.

I am not saying that they should have starved themselves in agony... but roomservice would have delivered the meals to their room. They should have been with family and close friends in private. They should have been praying together... mourning together. Not trying to put on a public display.

But would we really have expected anything less from them?

 

[Kentjbkent]

When did we, the public learn of DC's search at the remains site? Was it after this above mentioned "strategy meeting"?

Why am I recalling that Kathy Belich broke the story to the public? Wasn't her first report just about the video she had viewed, but later broadcasts it was played for viewers?

 

[LolaMoon08]

Why am I recalling that Kathy Belich broke the story to the public? Wasn't her first report just about the video she had viewed, but later broadcasts it was played for viewers?

Good memory!! Now that you mention it, I think you are 100% correct.

 

[Sparky]

Bingo! I always suspected that they were going to find Caylee's remains THEIR way. It was TOTALLY setup like that - mom and pop out of the state, Lee very visible at a court hearing - that can't be a coincidence, all them with an alibi for some reason. I guess so they could feign surprise about it, make a big dramatic production out of it when the remains were found by DC, I would guess.

And I bet anything ABC was going to get the interview of a lifetime - the reaction of the A's after Caylee's body was found. It was going to be epic. I don't think ABC was in on it, but I do think the A's were going to use ABC to further their agenda of trying to control the case and control Caylee after death. I believe they promised ABC the interview of a lifetime and ABC fell for it. And after all, Caylee was their possession, and they wanted to keep it that way. No way was LE going to get their hands on something that belonged to the A's, or at the very least, no way was LE going to find her first and be able to put Casey away for good, not if the A's had something to say and do about it.

I think this is why they wanted Caylee's remains found - to alter the crime scene, and then use her body being a found as profitable platform for themselves. I bet everything associated with their house or Casey was going to be removed. It would just be bones, a death without a specific method, more easily blamable on someone else. They felt they couldn't lose. They were sure that DC was going to find that body and alter the scene of the crime, then make an anonymous call to get LE out there to find her second. I also believe they knew nothing about the duct tape on Caylee's face.

The fact that they didn't know about the duct tape comes into play with them eating crab puffs at the Ritz. I believe that it proves they didn't know about the duct tape. Who would do that, knowing the duct tape was there? They obviously felt they could still salvage this somehow, that the setback of not getting to Caylee first was not going to stop them. They probably dined on those crab puffs thinking that they could still make money off of this, that things weren't as bad as they seemed to be. I mean hey, ABC was paying for a swank room and dinner. They didn't know about the duct tape. They didn't know how sunk their daughter was at that moment, or they wouldn't have been eating crab puffs.

This is also why they distanced themselves from DC, and why he was never paid. They had to get as far away from him as possible when everything fell apart. The defense realized what a clusteryouknowhat it was too and that is also why they distanced themselves from DC. He's the only one that can put everything together. I believe his deposition is being saved for when the A's are arrested and charged with obstruction of justice. December 2008 changed everything for the A's, and for the defense. It was month both probably still wish had never happened thanks to Roy Kronk.

Thankfully, Kronk found her first and totally shut the A's down. I will thank him forever for that. That was the moment the gravy train was OVER for them. After that is when some of their shenanigans came out, DC, Hoover, etc. It all came crumbling down. I wonder if Cindy looks back at that and wishes so hard that they had done it their way, finding Caylee first and becoming the most sympathized with grandparents ever with plenty of money to spare for once in their lives.

Kronk is the sole reason that Justice for Caylee will be as big and successful as it will be. If Casey gets the death penalty, we can all thank Kronk for that. No wonder the A's and the defense went after him so hard and so fast. I bet Cindy hates him most of all, for ruining what could have made her and George media darlings and wealthy to boot, from speaking tours, books, you name it.

Thank you God for giving Caylee an angel named Roy Kronk. I always felt a divine hand in him finding Caylee. It was a true miracle that he did so before the A's could do their devilry to free their evil, murderous daughter. God watched out for Caylee and true justice for her that fateful day in December when the Casey's doom was sealed, and the A's fell down hard and never recovered. It was the turning point of the entire case, I believe.

The A's eating crab puffs later just confirmed all of the above for me.

I believe if "They" didn't already know where Caylee was, "They" wouldn't be sitting at the Ritz eating crab puffs and taking advantage of the situation. The whole crew knew.

I also agree with you Aedrys, I too, believe it was setup that way. I have always thought "They" knew where she was and would bring her home AFTER "They" milked it for all it was worth. IMO when the A's and crew found out that Caylee was actually gone, it then turned into a "HUGE" money making deal for them.

I tend to believe, if they really, really didn't know where Caylee was then they wouldn't have been at the Ritz. Seriously...they wouldn't have been there if they hadn't known. But, since we have seen the interview with CA and GA and she is so out of it, I feel they knew then. In order to keep up with the Money Making Deal, they had to play along because all they could see now were the $ signs.

Yes, there was a plan and it backfired big time.

 

[Intermezzo]

Bingo! I always suspected that they were going to find Caylee's remains THEIR way. It was TOTALLY setup like that - mom and pop out of the state, Lee very visible at a court hearing - that can't be a coincidence, all them with an alibi for some reason. I guess so they could feign surprise about it, make a big dramatic production out of it when the remains were found by DC, I would guess.

And I bet anything ABC was going to get the interview of a lifetime - the reaction of the A's after Caylee's body was found. It was going to be epic. I don't think ABC was in on it, but I do think the A's were going to use ABC to further their agenda of trying to control the case and control Caylee after death. I believe they promised ABC the interview of a lifetime and ABC fell for it. And after all, Caylee was their possession, and they wanted to keep it that way. No way was LE going to get their hands on something that belonged to the A's, or at the very least, no way was LE going to find her first and be able to put Casey away for good, not if the A's had something to say and do about it.

I think this is why they wanted Caylee's remains found - to alter the crime scene, and then use her body being a found as profitable platform for themselves. I bet everything associated with their house or Casey was going to be removed. It would just be bones, a death without a specific method, more easily blamable on someone else. They felt they couldn't lose. They were sure that DC was going to find that body and alter the scene of the crime, then make an anonymous call to get LE out there to find her second. I also believe they knew nothing about the duct tape on Caylee's face.

The fact that they didn't know about the duct tape comes into play with them eating crab puffs at the Ritz. I believe that it proves they didn't know about the duct tape. Who would do that, knowing the duct tape was there? They obviously felt they could still salvage this somehow, that the setback of not getting to Caylee first was not going to stop them. They probably dined on those crab puffs thinking that they could still make money off of this, that things weren't as bad as they seemed to be. I mean hey, ABC was paying for a swank room and dinner. They didn't know about the duct tape. They didn't know how sunk their daughter was at that moment, or they wouldn't have been eating crab puffs.

This is also why they distanced themselves from DC, and why he was never paid. They had to get as far away from him as possible when everything fell apart. The defense realized what a clusteryouknowhat it was too and that is also why they distanced themselves from DC. He's the only one that can put everything together. I believe his deposition is being saved for when the A's are arrested and charged with obstruction of justice. December 2008 changed everything for the A's, and for the defense. It was month both probably still wish had never happened thanks to Roy Kronk.

Thankfully, Kronk found her first and totally shut the A's down. I will thank him forever for that. That was the moment the gravy train was OVER for them. After that is when some of their shenanigans came out, DC, Hoover, etc. It all came crumbling down. I wonder if Cindy looks back at that and wishes so hard that they had done it their way, finding Caylee first and becoming the most sympathized with grandparents ever with plenty of money to spare for once in their lives.

Kronk is the sole reason that Justice for Caylee will be as big and successful as it will be. If Casey gets the death penalty, we can all thank Kronk for that. No wonder the A's and the defense went after him so hard and so fast. I bet Cindy hates him most of all, for ruining what could have made her and George media darlings and wealthy to boot, from speaking tours, books, you name it.

Thank you God for giving Caylee an angel named Roy Kronk. I always felt a divine hand in him finding Caylee. It was a true miracle that he did so before the A's could do their devilry to free their evil, murderous daughter. God watched out for Caylee and true justice for her that fateful day in December when the Casey's doom was sealed, and the A's fell down hard and never recovered. It was the turning point of the entire case, I believe.

The A's eating crab puffs later just confirmed all of the above for me.

bbm1
I agree ABC was trying to secure an exclusive interview..
The A's were on LKL on Dec 10...on Dec 11& 12 we have LKL show announcing the A's will do an exclusive interview on Dec. 12...the word put out on Dec 12 was that the A's were "advised" not to do the interview and it was canceled.
I am glad they heeded the advice and did not appear on LKL..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76259&page=3

bbm 2
I agree..

 

[doogiesgirl]

Caylee's remains were found, and upon arriving home from Los Angeles, GA and CA immediately went to the Ritz hotel and a few hours later had a dinner party that included Lee, Mallory, Baez, Bart, Hoover, DC, and production people from ABC.

I suspect that ABC may have booked the rooms upon learning that Caylee's remains were found and that the Anthony home was subject to a search warrant. ABC probably hoped to get an exclusive interview.

There was no statement to the press from any of the Anthonys expressing their shock and grief at the news. It was business as usual. The Anthonys acted as if the news was no surprise. Their secret was now out of the bag, and they carried on as usual although they no longer could promote that Caylee was missing.

One thing I remember well is that in the immediate aftermath of Caylee's remains being found, instead of showing any genuine grief for Caylee, Cindy and George seemed angry that Caylee was found. On December 20, 2008 detective Yuri Malich served another search warrant on the Anthonys. George became very angry at the presence of Yuri and other LE in his home, yelling at them. Interestingly, present at the Anthony home at the time Yuri Malich served the search warrant was the Milsteads, DC, James Hoover, and others. A strategy meeting perhaps?

Oh yeah, I remember that now. Didn't JA say that GA yelled at him to leave his house and take his f*****g flunkies with him? Am I remembering that correctly? What in the world would make a family with nothing to hide act that way toward LE just days after or actually, as they were still in the process of sifting through the dirt to find every tiny bone of their precious grand daughter? Shameful....

Their behavior was repulsive and telling to most of us then, seems like an example that confirms one should trust their gut/instincts.

MOO

 

[Intermezzo]

Why am I recalling that Kathy Belich broke the story to the public? Wasn't her first report just about the video she had viewed, but later broadcasts it was played for viewers?

I thought the video was shown on Geraldo first on January 10 2009
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hpzqLrY2g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hpzqLrY2g[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85blM88eT44"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85blM88eT44[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrNTTSPwOeM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrNTTSPwOeM[/ame]



What I remember Kathi Belich reporting first to the public was that the house DC was searching was located (not that she was the one to find the house, she did not know where it was until she was lead to it and then reported it)
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77931"]Lets find the house that PI was digging and filming - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] Post 534 concerning KB and the house.

 

[Intermezzo]

Oh yeah, I remember that now. Didn't JA say that GA yelled at him to leave his house and take his f*****g flunkies with him? Am I remembering that correctly? What in the world would make a family with nothing to hide act that way toward LE just days after or actually, as they were still in the process of sifting through the dirt to find every tiny bone of their precious grand daughter? Shameful....

Their behavior was repulsive and telling to most of us then, seems like an example that confirms one should trust their gut/instincts.

MOO

Yes, George did yell at them when the went to serve the Search warrant on Dec 20...these are the same LE officers who helped whisk the A's off the plane and away from prying eyes at the airport...LE did not have to do that

IMO,They weren't concerned about those individuals who were on their hands and knees trying to recover the tiniest of bones...Remember it was raining on Dec 11..

It was also reported the A's were upset that LE left the house a mess after the Dec11/12 search warrant... IMO LE probably left their house as tidy as they could compared to the homes of other people

 

[Leila]

Why am I recalling that Kathy Belich broke the story to the public? Wasn't her first report just about the video she had viewed, but later broadcasts it was played for viewers?

Kathy Belich DID cover this story, and IIRC there were several reports about the video before we actually got to see the video.

After seeing the video, our members here did some sleuthing and located the house where DC was filmed digging around the foundation. One of our members here, who lives in Orlando, drove by the house to verify it was the right house, and then drove down the street to the remains site. Kathy Belich was doing a report from the site. When she was finished, our member talked to Kathy, telling her that the house has been located. Kathy Belich and her camera crew followed our member to the house and did a report from there which appeared on the evening news.

 

[Leila]

Oh yeah, I remember that now. Didn't JA say that GA yelled at him to leave his house and take his f*****g flunkies with him? Am I remembering that correctly? What in the world would make a family with nothing to hide act that way toward LE just days after or actually, as they were still in the process of sifting through the dirt to find every tiny bone of their precious grand daughter? Shameful....

Their behavior was repulsive and telling to most of us then, seems like an example that confirms one should trust their gut/instincts.

MOO

Yes...............that's exactly what George yelled! A big change from a few months earlier when George was being interviewed by the detectives and tried to make himself just one of the guys, a fellow police officer who asked them to give him the courtesy of advance notice if anything was found.

 

[Leila]

I thought the video was shown on Geraldo first on January 10 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukRARXX0Cnw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hpzqLrY2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85blM88eT44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrNTTSPwOeM



What I remember Kathi Belich reporting first to the public was that the house DC was searching was located (not that she was the one to find the house, she did not know where it was until she was lead to it and then reported it)
Lets find the house that PI was digging and filming - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community Post 534 concerning KB and the house.

Geraldo was the first to show the video, but leading up to actually seeing the video, there was a lot of discussion about it. Kathy Belich first reported on the existence of the video and had viewed it, telling viewers what she saw.

When Geraldo played the video the first time, he stated that there were a lot of legal wranglings about it.........that the person who took the video (James Hoover) wanted to be paid for it. I think that's what held the video up from being publicly shown for about a week after we knew of it's existence.

 

[MissJames]

Funny how rehashing all these events makes my blood pressure rise dramatically,as though I'm hearing it for the first time. I don't think the jury will hear all of this info,but it sure paints part of the picture about the true nature of this family.