2009.02.09 - The cousin that visited....

[debs]

Joe was hanging pictures with Misty the next day. She never removed his pictures from her MS pages where she and cousin are "all f*** up." None of the Croslin's demanded he be hauled back here while people were pointing at them as suspects.

I'm here to tell you right now, there is no one in my family that I would stand in front of while the bus was being driven toward me to cover a crime they committed. With as conveniently as the Croslin's find someone else in their family to point a finger at, name for some other criminal activity, call a liar, or otherwise implicate in having knowledge of Haleigh's disappearance, it's a wonder they have a family at all.

As to why Joe and Tommy never come out and denounce Misty's statements that they "messed with" her, it appears to me to be their typical way of handling things in that family: If no one addresses it, it will just go away. Otherwise, it will cause conflict, and dysfunctional families don't like any chaos and conflict they themselves haven't created.

Misty has a habit of accusing men/boys of "messing with" her, and as we've seen in at least one case, with a very powerful outcome. But it's interesting that she never removes herself from these messers. And it's more interesting that (at least in Tommy's case) he continues to keep her around him, to once again be pointed at. Doesn't appear that distance has made it any harder to point at Joe, either.

What's that saying? If you point at one person, there are 4 fingers pointing back at yourself? If I were Chelsea, I'd not want to be Misty's confidante.

 

[LFlorida]

Joe was hanging pictures with Misty the next day. She never removed his pictures from her MS pages where she and cousin are "all f*** up." None of the Croslin's demanded he be hauled back here while people were pointing at them as suspects.

I'm here to tell you right now, there is no one in my family that I would stand in front of while the bus was being driven toward me to cover a crime they committed. With as conveniently as the Croslin's find someone else in their family to point a finger at, name for some other criminal activity, call a liar, or otherwise implicate in having knowledge of Haleigh's disappearance, it's a wonder they have a family at all.

As to why Joe and Tommy never come out and denounce Misty's statements that they "messed with" her, it appears to me to be their typical way of handling things in that family: If no one addresses it, it will just go away. Otherwise, it will cause conflict, and dysfunctional families don't like any chaos and conflict they themselves haven't created.

Misty has a habit of accusing men/boys of "messing with" her, and as we've seen in at least one case, with a very powerful outcome. But it's interesting that she never removes herself from these messers. And it's more interesting that (at least in Tommy's case) he continues to keep her around him, to once again be pointed at. Doesn't appear that distance has made it any harder to point at Joe, either.

What's that saying? If you point at one person, there are 4 fingers pointing back at yourself? If I were Chelsea, I'd not want to be Misty's confidante.

Could you elaborate or link to the part BBM? tia

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FWIW

Teresa was pointing at JO back on 2/20/2009 per the Gainesville Sun.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090221/ARTICLES/902211010/0/NEWS04?p=2&tc=pg

This article references WJXT as having reported it first, but a search of their archives doesn't show it, at least not when I try to search, but y'all know all about my computer problems. I did go back and watch a boatload of vids of that site, but didn't see the O part except for PCSO pressers saying that he's not a suspect and that he had been questioned.

jmo - red herrings

 

[LFlorida]

I was under the impression Hank was already in the hospital when Misty returned from her wild three days binge..JMO

Me, too. IIRC, that's the reason he checked out of the hospital early against doctor's orders - because Haleigh was missing.

carp... in this case, heaven only knows. So much bulls hit been thrown against the wall. Who knows if the stuff that stuck is edible or not?

 

[LFlorida]

Wonder how come she didn't tell this story when LE paid her and Timmy a visit in Mass a few months back. If she just heard this rumor, it must have come out since the drug bust - wonder who relayed this to her. One sure has to wonder about those redactions in the jailhouse tapes...

ETA - guess I should have read the article - it does state Chelsea said she just heard this right after the drug busts. JMO - but since we know Misty told about Tommy stealing from the neighbor, it is also possible Misty gave this tidbit to LE along with the tattling on Tommy. Most likely source of this I think. Question is did Misty say this in a phone call, how did this information come to Chelsea ? Odd it just now comes out, when Misty is actually facing jail time. Just sayin... windys and deflectons have worked this long for Misty, why not another shot at it.

I just read that article before I logged in. I swear I thought the article stated that Chelsea heard this from an investigator within the past month.

Dang - I need to just go back to bed, I reckon.

eta - no Chelsea told the investigators per Art. I wuz wrong.

 

[LFlorida]

Yeah for a long time, JM was sixteen yrs. old and misty testified against him. He was tried as an adult and sent to State Prison for 9 yrs.....
..
..Just imagine how long RC would have received if he were held accountable!!?? That should have been enough to keep RC in line.

I really want to see a link for this, whips. How certain of this info are you?

 

[Capri]

I really want to see a link for this, whips. How certain of this info are you?

I don't think you'll find too much on it, as MC was a minor. IIRC, JM is still incarcerated, so you could look some of the circumstances up that way.

 

[woodville]

It was reported that when Misty returned from her wild weekend, and NayNay dropped her off, that RC and her father and brother, stopped NayNay from leaving as they wanted to ask her where WBG lived. The assumption being that they wanted to go over and rough him up.

So .... you think it's even remotely possible that if JO was seen with Haleigh that night, that they would not have hunted him down like a dog!! That they would have not been telling everyone who would listen for a year, that it was him - he was seen with her - he did it, and must be brought to justice!

No wonder this case has everyone banging their heads against the wall. :banghead:

I remember it being RC, his father Jack Lester Cummings and I think one of Misty's brothers in a red truck. It was when Ron was threatening WBG with his 11" gun.
This info may be on Art Harris' site when he interviewed WBG mom.

 

[LFlorida]

Joe was hanging pictures with Misty the next day. She never removed his pictures from her MS pages where she and cousin are "all f*** up." None of the Croslin's demanded he be hauled back here while people were pointing at them as suspects.

I'm here to tell you right now, there is no one in my family that I would stand in front of while the bus was being driven toward me to cover a crime they committed. With as conveniently as the Croslin's find someone else in their family to point a finger at, name for some other criminal activity, call a liar, or otherwise implicate in having knowledge of Haleigh's disappearance, it's a wonder they have a family at all.

As to why Joe and Tommy never come out and denounce Misty's statements that they "messed with" her, it appears to me to be their typical way of handling things in that family: If no one addresses it, it will just go away. Otherwise, it will cause conflict, and dysfunctional families don't like any chaos and conflict they themselves haven't created.

Misty has a habit of accusing men/boys of "messing with" her, and as we've seen in at least one case, with a very powerful outcome. But it's interesting that she never removes herself from these messers. And it's more interesting that (at least in Tommy's case) he continues to keep her around him, to once again be pointed at. Doesn't appear that distance has made it any harder to point at Joe, either.

What's that saying? If you point at one person, there are 4 fingers pointing back at yourself? If I were Chelsea, I'd not want to be Misty's confidante.

I don't think you'll find too much on it, as MC was a minor. IIRC, JM is still incarcerated, so you could look some of the circumstances up that way.

They don't sentence 16 year olds to 9 years in prison for statutory rape on 13 year olds, AFAIK.

Is this not what is implied by debs' post - that it was consensual?

Or perhaps it's a false allegation? That's quite a sentence to impose based on the word of a 13 year old ex-girlfriend, imo.

Surely there is a newspaper article about it. [The only ones I can find show Jeremy Miller on the UF track team in 2007, red-shirted, btw.]

 

[Maven2379]

I don't think you'll find too much on it, as MC was a minor. IIRC, JM is still incarcerated, so you could look some of the circumstances up that way.

Yep, according to the Florida Dept of Corrections he is scheduled to be released in 2014.

 

[LFlorida]

Yep, according to the Florida Dept of Corrections he is scheduled to be released in 2014.

Link please? thank you

 

[Maven2379]

Link please? thank you

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=763859261

http://news.google.com/archivesearc...sugg=d&as_ldate=2004&as_hdate=2005&lnav=hist7

ETA: They talk about JM in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIcq_LYxz3o&feature=player_embedded#

 

[Gracenote]

Wonder how come she didn't tell this story when LE paid her and Timmy a visit in Mass a few months back. If she just heard this rumor, it must have come out since the drug bust - wonder who relayed this to her. One sure has to wonder about those redactions in the jailhouse tapes...

ETA - guess I should have read the article - it does state Chelsea said she just heard this right after the drug busts. JMO - but since we know Misty told about Tommy stealing from the neighbor, it is also possible Misty gave this tidbit to LE along with the tattling on Tommy. Most likely source of this I think. Question is did Misty say this in a phone call, how did this information come to Chelsea ? Odd it just now comes out, when Misty is actually facing jail time. Just sayin... windys and deflectons have worked this long for Misty, why not another shot at it.

Since I heard Chelsea on the phone calls I give no credence to anything she says anymore.

 

[Quiche]

I don't think you'll find too much on it, as MC was a minor. IIRC, JM is still incarcerated, so you could look some of the circumstances up that way.

But Misty wasn't on trial, her offender was-- wouldn't there be some public record of his if he were tried as an adult? Isn't that what that means? Heck, this factoid has always left me befuddled. The fact that this person is behind bars does not convince me that he perpetrated a crime against MistyC.

Too much mystery surrounding something that should be public record. imo

 

[Tinsel]

One thing I've noticed with this ilk of people is that they are as addicted to drama and gossip as much as they are to -- drugs.

 

[impatientredhead]

They don't sentence 16 year olds to 9 years in prison for statutory rape on 13 year olds, AFAIK.

Is this not what is implied by debs' post - that it was consensual?

Or perhaps it's a false allegation? That's quite a sentence to impose based on the word of a 13 year old ex-girlfriend, imo.

Surely there is a newspaper article about it. [The only ones I can find show Jeremy Miller on the UF track team in 2007, red-shirted, btw.]

Misty was living with JM so it was "consensual" as in he didn't snatch her off the street, they were a "couple". I believe the allegations were originally that he physically abused her and was basically pimping her out. I believe the sentence and the charges he is convicted of were a plea deal, so he is not in jail purely for being 16 with a 13 year old.

The lack of records is because the victim was a minor and there wasn't a trial if I recall correctly.

 

[ladonna]

But Misty wasn't on trial, her offender was-- wouldn't there be some public record of his if he were tried as an adult? Isn't that what that means? Heck, this factoid has always left me befuddled. The fact that this person is behind bars does not convince me that he perpetrated a crime against MistyC.

Too much mystery surrounding something that should be public record. imo

I indulged in all the earlier findings of JM and his case. There were once hundreds of posts/links about his case. It is my understanding that it was Lisa Croslin who pressed charges against JM. There's a slew of stuff out there if you search. Personally, I think Misty and JM were having a fling, Misty got caught by Lisa, Misty told yet another one of her fibs, and then the story grew.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=763859261

http://news.google.com/archivesearc...sugg=d&as_ldate=2004&as_hdate=2005&lnav=hist7

ETA: They talk about JM in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIcq_LYxz3o&feature=player_embedded#

Now that is really something.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

The Cuz--Joe

Fingers have been pointed at him since the start and by both sides--TN said there was a fight and Ron said there wasnt...If RC had any inclination towards Joe O being the individual that harmed Haleigh...I don't think Joe O would be breathing as we have all heard the threats he has made to kill whoever is responsible....Joe's name seems to come out at convenient times...

also OT but not really--the culvert gun was a Baretta I believe and Ron mentions on the uc tapes that he always carries a glock...so does LE have the 9MM and have they examined it does anyone know....TIA

 

[Whisperer]

I would be interesting to follow mc's escapades from March 2006 to Sept 2008. It was barely two and half years later after her "horrific" ordeal (according to misty) that misty was involved with rc meeting him when she was 16. Prior to that, she was staying with one of the brothers.... apparently in 2007, misty ran away to NJ...we have not been told for how long.

So mc was 14 and JM was 16. He was not a stranger to her but a boyfriend (so we've been told). It would be interesting to interview him. He is twenty yrs old and has spent 4 years so far, in a State Prison....OMG! A sixteen yr old in a state prison is almost unheard of..

ON a nother note: I wonder when mc was told of Hank's accident; surprise there are no reports on it. Shouldn't it be at the courthouse? Didn't Chelsea try to get in touch with her that weekend? Wasn't Chelsea also in trouble because she was involved in battering Amber's mom along with misty? I don't trust what Chelsea has to say. For all we know, she could have been the one driving the van that night. She and mc looked pretty chummy to me on the video we've seen regarding Haleigh's disappearance.

 

[Pastalover]

Isn't his birth date Sept. 17, 1988? That would make him 21 now and 17 or 18 at the time of the "incident", depending on when it happened.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=763859261