2009.02.09 - The cousin that visited....

  • #381
I remember her dad saying it, mystic, and it's quite possible that he has some frightening friends that people should be afraid of. But my point is that she pointed fingers at him anyway, early on, and now she did it again. If the cuz or his friends are going to beat her up they might do it now because she's already got him in trouble, so why lie? Why not go all the way and tell all she knows?
 
  • #382
ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Aired February 20, 2009 - 19:00:00 ET


Stunning new developments coming in fast and furious in the search for missing Florida girl Haleigh Cummings: now the story has crossed state borders. Police today questioned Misty Croslin`s cousin, now referred to as Joe, hundreds of miles away in Tennessee. Reports suggest that it was this cousin who got into a fight with father, Ron Cummings hours before little Haleigh disappeared and that he had taken off to Tennessee afterwards.

All this made more compelling by a tip that a girl matching Haleigh`s description was seen in a Knoxville, Tennessee Carrabba`s Restaurant in a red Toyota RAV-4 with Florida license plates and that her face was shielded by a man.

Haleigh`s family held a news conference today and answered the many questions about this mysterious cousin, Joe, who Misty says she doesn`t trust.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I bet you don`t trust him?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S AUNT: We don`t either.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why don`t you trust him?

NEVES: Well, from the newspaper clips that we have and what we`ve heard, he might not be a very good person for Haleigh to be with. We`re just hoping that if he does know something that he tells someone so we can bring her home safely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you feel comfortable with this man who you consider potentially a pedophile in a home with Haleigh? He was in the home at one point.

TERESA NEVES, HALEY`S GRANDMOTHER: You know, you trust your friends and your family to bring in people that you can trust. He did not carry a sign that says "I`m a sexual offender and I`m going to steal your child." He carried nothing like that.

As far as the cousin, I mean, Ronald wants Haleigh home and he doesn`t care who has her, how they got her. He wants her home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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T.J., what is the very latest, particularly as regards this Joe person?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM: This Joe person has become a person of interest. We`ve been hearing lots about a man who may be a relative up until late yesterday who lives in Tennessee and who may have been here during the time frame when young Haleigh disappeared.

Now he has a name. He goes by Joe. At least that`s how he`s being identified today. Misty Croslin was on morning television today, and she spoke a bit about this character Joe, this cousin, and she said she doesn`t trust him, she doesn`t trust him at all. She doesn`t think he`s a good person.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is there any confirmation that he indeed has some kind of record as a pedophile because that`s what the family was referring to in the news conference.

HART: That`s the suggestion that`s being made, and that`s the lead that we`ve been following for a couple of days now. One, who is this cousin? What is this person`s full name? What is his age? And I`ve been looking through the sexual predator registries on just what I have. And of course, you`re not going to get much with what I`ve told you already.

But in the press conference yesterday at 3:00, with Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy, he said I`m not going to answer that question. So he just declined to answer; very tight-lipped about the situation and the status of this cousin.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, this is such scary information. And then you dovetail it with this tip about a child that looks like Haleigh being spotted at a restaurant with a white male and, according to some reports, a mystery woman as well.

And my thought is why didn`t we know about this a long time ago? I mean, if this guy had had a fight with the father of this missing child, wouldn`t that be the very first person they would go to find since he would have some kind of motive?

LISA BLOOM, ANCHOR OF "IN SESSION": Jane, you are putting your finger on the most important development in the case over the past couple of weeks, and that is Misty, 17 years old, having the presence of mind to say on television, you know what, I don`t trust this guy. I don`t trust my cousin.

And you would expect her to say, well, he`s my family member, I`m sure everything`s fine. She doesn`t say that. And we know that when a child is missing it`s about a 95 percent chance that somebody in the family or somebody she knew is the one who abducted her. It`s the stranger abduction that gets all of the attention, but usually it`s a family member or somebody who knows her.
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New reports suggest that it was Misty`s cousin Joe who was fighting with Haleigh`s dad, Ron, the night before she disappeared. But when asked about that fight yesterday, here`s what Ron had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: There was no fight with no cousin over a gun. I don`t know where people are getting information from. But you know, people say -- people say a lot of things, and they don`t know what they`re talking about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t have an altercation with anybody verbally, physically at all before --

CUMMINGS: I don`t have any enemies.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: T.J. Hart, was this cousin at the trailer hours before little Haleigh disappeared? Because I remember a week ago hearing that there was an air-conditioning repairman there. He had been questioned and cleared. And there was also a report at the same time, I can`t remember the source, that Misty`s cousin had stopped by the trailer earlier with some of her nephews.

Is this the same person, this Joe because that would explain everything? I mean, it could account for how this door was mysteriously opened that was supposed to be locked. If somebody`s in a trailer, they can unlock the door when nobody`s looking.

HART: Well, Jane, this right now is having this person of interest, Joe as he`s being referred to, being in this area, this tight little area, during the time of the disappearance. But no one has said anything about cousins, and no one has said anything about nephews, rather, at the time.

This is something I`ve not been able to confirm at this point. But it is something that my other reporters are working on

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ijvm.01.html

Snipped by me from link above
 
  • #383
Mystic.........what's up with the old story from JVM show?
 
  • #384
Misty accused Joe of molesting her and it has been speculated that cousin Joe did get in a fight with Ron the day before Haleigh went missing and the gun was found. Misty now claims that she is the one that got the gun. So, is that what Misty was doing that morning of Feb9th? She was gone for the weekend with Greg, Nay Nay, and Amber.
RAW VIDEO Feb. 20, 2009 Misty Croslin Talks To WFTV http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18757783/index.html
It was reported as a different story back in Feb. "One family member said a fight had taken place between Ron and Joe-the cousin, where Ron says, 'No, that didn't take place,'. "Evidently a gun disappeared from the house and it was found in a ditch later."Police Follow Tips In Day 12 Of Haleigh Investigation: Video
http://www.wesh.com/video/18768145/index.html

Article: http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html


I though Another cousin was convicted of abusing/molesting Misty in 2005 by the name of JM as well?

Misty mentions a red truck and that her brother sold a red truck around the time Haleigh went missing. TN also has a red truck. A tip came in from Tennessee about a red Rav4 as well. I would assume that LE ran the license plate and know who the Rav4 belongs to. Anyone recall any other red trucks?
Witnesses report that a man with the girl shielded her face. They are said to have left in a red Toyota Rav4 with a Florida license plate. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/b...31791&catid=17
 
  • #385
RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: There was no fight with no cousin over a gun. I don`t know where people are getting information from. But you know, people say -- people say a lot of things, and they don`t know what they`re talking about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t have an altercation with anybody verbally, physically at all before --

CUMMINGS: I don`t have any enemies.

Ron didn't appear to want to point to cousin Joe, for some reason. He also insisted Joe wasn't at the trailer that night, after his mom said he was, didn't he?
 
  • #386
Ron didn't appear to want to point to cousin Joe, for some reason. He also insisted Joe wasn't at the trailer that night, after his mom said he was, didn't he?

Yes, yes he did. And yes, yes she did say that.
 
  • #387
Mystic.........what's up with the old story from JVM show?

I don't know...lol. Just put up for a refresher while I was looking for another link which I still have not found..:waitasec:
 
  • #388
Ron didn't appear to want to point to cousin Joe, for some reason. He also insisted Joe wasn't at the trailer that night, after his mom said he was, didn't he?

I am glad you brought that up because in the back of my mind I thought that it was said that Joe was at the home as well that night, but could not find a link for that video report way back. Why is it that Ron wants to keep Joe's name out of this? Why would Ron lie about Joe? What all does Joe have on Ron?
If anyone can find the article link that would be great! Please and Thank you in advance. :blowkiss:
 
  • #389
I don't know...lol. Just put up for a refresher while I was looking for another link which I still have not found..:waitasec:

Works for me. Carry on!
 
  • #390
Maybe RC does not want to accuse Joe or let Joe think that he is on LE's radar so that nothing will happen to Haleigh. (IF RC thinks Joe has her or stashed her somewhere)
 
  • #391
...so why lie? Why not go all the way and tell all she knows?

I have found a few more speech reversals since my last post, and according to her Reverse Speech she is not lying, and she appears to be telling all she knows. The problem seems to be no one is listening. Her reversals are showing in more detail why she thinks it is "cousin Joe". The review of the audio is going a bit slower than expected, but I still hope to have everything together by the end of the day.
 
  • #392
IIRC during a press conference LE was asked if the cousin was there that night and the answer was yes. "There" meaning the MH.

IIRC LE didn't want to say a peep about Cuz, not even his name so as to not subject the family to the media/public.
 
  • #393
...IIRC LE didn't want to say a peep about Cuz, not even his name so as to not subject the family to the media/public.
Isn't that interesting? Seems it is OK for them to drag the 17 year old girl through the ringer who has been molested by this guy, as they still insist she knows more.

In another recent case in the news, the life of the step father for Jacee Dugard had been ruined because he was suspected by investigators to be involved in her disappearance. 18 years later she is found along with the vehicle he described that was used to abduct her.
 
  • #394
I have been trying to figure out what all is going on with this cousin and why Ron would not want to reveal what all happen that night that Joe was at the house. The only logical explanation I can come up with is that maybe Ron is saying different to the public than what he is saying to LE to protect Haleigh in some way. It would make sense. I looked into Joe a while back and some of his friends on his my space and it was pretty scary to me, so maybe there is a lot more about this cousin and LE is just keeping it hush hush as well as Ron. As for Misty, well I am still puzzled at all the inconsistencies. She has claimed her cousin may be at fault for what ever happen to Haleigh as well as other family members pointed the finger at this cousin. Misty also has shifted her story once again pointing the finger at her brother. So, why Ron is sticking by Misty side, well only explanation would be that he feels in his gut Misty knows more and to keep her close would help him find the truth? It is possible. I don't trust anyone at this point, I just hope that for what ever reason Ron is standing by Misty's side it's to help LE in some way.

I have my own opinion though and will just wait and see what happens because it is to hard to really tell what all is going on when LE will not come out and say what path they are going down, with the exception that Misty is the key to what happen to Haleigh and to me that sounds as if they feel she knows what happen and may of taken part, but that there is someone else to blame.
 
  • #395
In the interview released on 8-28-09 with TJ Ward and his Layered Voice Analysis computer program, he asks her to tell him more about Tommy and Joe.
She says: Joe is psycho. He has problems. Really bad problems. He molested me when I was a little girl too. He has molested my little cousin at 5 yrs. old.

I'm in the middle of reviewing this interview for Reverse Speech, which in short is messages form our unconscious mind embedded backward into speech which can be heard by reversing audio. There is a speech reversal during her statement where she says "Was awful. so I don't need to tell it." This cousin Joe needs to be looked at a lot more closely. Not only for the disappearance of Haleigh, But also the molestation of Misty, and the cousin she is referencing.

Link to the full interview:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=144034

I hope to have my reverse Speech findings from this, and a couple of other interviews posted to my website by the end of 9-2-09. I'll post updates to the thread:Backward State - Reverse Speeech Analysis of Ron and Misty - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

In a way I feel so bad for MC. I personally think that she knows more than she's telling but I don't think she had any involvement in what happened to Haleigh. This cousin just doesn't sit well with me. Why was he in such a rush to leave Florida when news broke of Haleigh being missing? If Misty knew he was not a good person and had molested her and another family member, why would she allow him around Haleigh? Why did Misty make a point of saying that the cousin had molested another family member the same age as Haleigh?
 
  • #396
In a way I feel so bad for MC. I personally think that she knows more than she's telling but I don't think she had any involvement in what happened to Haleigh. This cousin just doesn't sit well with me. Why was he in such a rush to leave Florida when news broke of Haleigh being missing? If Misty knew he was not a good person and had molested her and another family member, why would she allow him around Haleigh? Why did Misty make a point of saying that the cousin had molested another family member the same age as Haleigh?

you feel bad for a liar who may know what happened to a little girl.

wow.
 
  • #397
I would like to see Cousin Joe take all these tests and then see his results.
 
  • #398
you feel bad for a liar who may know what happened to a little girl.

wow.

Yeah I feel bad for her because I feel like she's covering for someone else and cannot tell the truth about what happened.
 
  • #399
Unfortunately if cousin Joe has sexually molested another 5-year old girl and Misty and was caught in a bitter power struggle with Ron and Misty, he may very well be involved in HaLeigh's disappearance. Misty has made some damaging statements against Joe and Misty alleges Ron and Joe had been fighting and quarreling over a gun, altho Ron has consistently denied this ever happened. Cousin Joe was in Satsuma County about 3 weeks prior to HaLeigh's disappearance which means Joe met Haleigh and during those meetings, he may have formed an illicit desire for her. At age 20, Joe is single as far as I know and he came alone to Satsuma. Joe was staying with Timmy and Chelsea who live in Crescent City (13 miles from Satsuma) Feb 9th-10th and I cannot confirm whether Joe stayed at Timmy's the entire 3 weeks. Misty is closer to Timmy then Tommy, the brother she presently has a RO against. Allegedly Tim looked in Joe's room the evening of the 9th of Feb and Joe wasn't there. We all know about the van being moved, scratched and parked in a different location that evening without Chelsea and Timmys knowledge. Does Cousin Joe own a vehicle and has LE tested his car for evidence?
My question is...If Joe has his own vehlcle, what reason would he have for taking the van Monday night? Misty has raised suspicions about a red truck that Tommy owned and sold immediately after HaLeigh disappeared and that one is presently being sought by LE.
 
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