2009.02.18 ~ Father Reportedly Had a Fight Day Before Haleigh Disappeared.

[BetteDavisEyes]

Great post debs. Especially your ideas of what could cause injuries between the fingers. I think barb-wire fences, as in climbing over them, would cause scratches or injuries between the fingers, too.

However, IMO, if Ron is the source for the explaination of what caused the injuries to his hand, well..for obvious reasons, I doubt he's told the entire story.

BBM. Was the PDM worksite surrounded by barbed-wire? If RC left work the evening that HaLeigh went missing and didn't want to be seen on surveillance cameras, perhaps scaling a barbed-wire fence was a means by which Ron could leave and/or return without anyone knowing that he had left. jmo

 

[Snowbunny]

I'm not at my computer where all of my images are stored, so I'm going to refer to a post I made a month or so ago where I blew the hand up 400%:

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IMO, the only way THOSE marks came from a fight with a door was if he used a "karate kid" or "kung fu" style open hand attack. IIRC, from the Cobra tapes, Mr Cummings is more of a "tire iron" type guy as opposed to the martial arts.

There's only 1 or 2 marks on his knuckles. The most major damage is between his fingers.

Papa, what about the pixs you blew up that were taken during the interview with the media and RC threw himself on the ground and the camera guy focused in on his hands when his cell phone started ringing? In that post of yours you pointed out also a cut on his forehead and if I remember correctly there were also cuts around the finger tips not just the knuckes or in between. How would one cut his finger tips open punching a door when you make a fist your fingers are curled up. I've often thought it was quite possible that Haleigh may have run in front of Misty just as RC was about to punch Misty and Haleigh ended up taking the fatal blow.

 

[Flow]

I'm not at my computer where all of my images are stored, so I'm going to refer to a post I made a month or so ago where I blew the hand up 400%:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Suspicious behavior of Haleigh Cummings father


IMO, the only way THOSE marks came from a fight with a door was if he used a "karate kid" or "kung fu" style open hand attack. IIRC, from the Cobra tapes, Mr Cummings is more of a "tire iron" type guy as opposed to the martial arts.

There's only 1 or 2 marks on his knuckles. The most major damage is between his fingers.

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[GER]

Wasn't it established already that RC did tree work, the weekend before HaLeigh disappeared? If that is the case, it is highly likely, IMO, that those cuts on his forearm and inbetween his fingers on his knuckles, etc...are the result of working~laboring. Same thing with any scratches or cuts on face/neck, etc. You're doing that kind of work, you're bound to come away with more than just a scratch or two, IMHO.

 

[azwriter]

Wasn't it established already that RC did tree work, the weekend before HaLeigh disappeared? If that is the case, it is highly likely, IMO, that those cuts on his forearm and inbetween his fingers on his knuckles, etc...are the result of working~laboring. Same thing with any scratches or cuts on face/neck, etc. You're doing that kind of work, you're bound to come away with more than just a scratch or two, IMHO.

Very possible. But most workers I've seen who trim trees, or work with landscaping always wear gloves to at least protect their hands and forearms.
jmo

 

[GER]

Very possible. But most workers I've seen who trim trees, or work with landscaping always wear gloves to at least protect their hands and forearms.
jmo

While I agree with you on the 'norm' of things... this would be the most sensible method to do tree work...but I have to step back and ask myself, what is sensible about any of the players in this particular case. Then I have to ask myself, why with all the gloves I have available to use at my disposal, do I not USE them? lol I don't and I have a worker's/laborers hands to show for it! The ONLY time I wear gloves is when I'm raking the yard and then IF I remember...or blisters start...*blush* Then of course, when I'm working on a koi pond with the coquina rock... I'm just thinking outloud here, that if it was a side job, not with a company with regulations on that sort of thing, it is quite possible, even probable in my opinion that this is how he acquired all those markings, y'all were discussing...

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Wasn't it established already that RC did tree work, the weekend before HaLeigh disappeared? If that is the case, it is highly likely, IMO, that those cuts on his forearm and in-between his fingers on his knuckles, etc...are the result of working~laboring. Same thing with any scratches or cuts on face/neck, etc. You're doing that kind of work, you're bound to come away with more than just a scratch or two, IMHO.

I also think it was established early on GER. If I am not mistaken wasn't it said that Ronald was working the day of Haleigh's disappearance as well at the tree service? Or was that just a theory? Anyone remember? I thought one of the players claimed that Ron was working earlier that afternoon at the tree service? Kind of like he was working at the tree service that afternoon when he got busted for drugs.

It could also explain why there is a picture of Ronald holding Haleigh and he also had busted up hands. I agree about the gloves as well, just because they are there or your told to used them doesn't mean we do. When I was in the medical field I used gloves, but now I refuse to use them for yard/house/other work because they just don't feel right. I still feel though that Ron has been a fighter for a long time and that could also explain busted up hands. So it could be either - or, or both IMO.

 

[Whisperer]

Wasn't it established already that RC did tree work, the weekend before HaLeigh disappeared? If that is the case, it is highly likely, IMO, that those cuts on his forearm and inbetween his fingers on his knuckles, etc...are the result of working~laboring. Same thing with any scratches or cuts on face/neck, etc. You're doing that kind of work, you're bound to come away with more than just a scratch or two, IMHO.

I can't even picture rc cutting trees. My research told me that Aunt Katrina also had a window tinting business. Now that is something I see him doing. If you are doing tree work, you wear VERY thick heavy gloves. I see them out here and they are dressed and protected. I can't think of anyone NOT wearing substantial gloves who use saws and heavy equipment.

Those cuts on his hands were not from any tree cutting. He likes to punch things.

 

[elle1919]

There is a excellent photobucket site that that has been linked here many times that has great pictures of RC and all involved in this case. If you look through all of the images you will see many many photo's of RC with Haleigh and Junior( and a few other family members) and in them he always seems to have numerous scratches and cuts on his hands. I mean a lot. To me these scratches and cuts on his hands started years ago and if there was a fight over a gun, those scratches were not due to that, but due to whatever has been scratching and cutting him up for years. JMO

 

[Chablis]

There is a excellent photobucket site that that has been linked here many times that has great pictures of RC and all involved in this case. If you look through all of the images you will see many many photo's of RC with Haleigh and Junior( and a few other family members) and in them he always seems to have numerous scratches and cuts on his hands. I mean a lot. To me these scratches and cuts on his hands started years ago and if there was a fight over a gun, those scratches were not due to that, but due to whatever has been scratching and cutting him up for years. JMO

Right, but at the time his child went missing, that was not the explanation for the cuts on his hands, it was that he hit a door, right? Why not say, oh his hands always looked like that if that was the case?

 

[GER]

I also think it was established early on GER. If I am not mistaken wasn't it said that Ronald was working the day of Haleigh's disappearance as well at the tree service? Or was that just a theory? Anyone remember? I thought one of the players claimed that Ron was working earlier that afternoon at the tree service? Kind of like he was working at the tree service that afternoon when he got busted for drugs.

It could also explain why there is a picture of Ronald holding Haleigh and he also had busted up hands. I agree about the gloves as well, just because they are there or your told to used them doesn't mean we do. When I was in the medical field I used gloves, but now I refuse to use them for yard/house/other work because they just don't feel right. I still feel though that Ron has been a fighter for a long time and that could also explain busted up hands. So it could be either - or, or both IMO.

Hi, MADJGNLAW! I don't know that I personally believe that RC worked the afternoon that HaLeigh disappeared... I mean, he had to sleep SOMETIME, as he was scheduled to work the evening shift. So to me, I find it very doubtful that RC had that much ambition to work a tree service job for his Aunt AND then turn around and work his regular shift at his relatively new job...I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. I have nothing to back this up, other than my personal knowledge and observation of local operations and of course, this is all my personal opinion....*smile*

 

[GER]

I can't even picture rc cutting trees. My research told me that Aunt Katrina also had a window tinting business. Now that is something I see him doing. If you are doing tree work, you wear VERY thick heavy gloves. I see them out here and they are dressed and protected. I can't think of anyone NOT wearing substantial gloves who use saws and heavy equipment.

Those cuts on his hands were not from any tree cutting. He likes to punch things.

How can I explain this... In this county, people do whatever it takes to make a buck or two... Many times, it is under the table work, which is cash on the spot work... I'm not referring to illegal work, just not through an established company.
An example I shall give you; A couple of years ago, I needed a couple of low hanging branches cut back. A tree company on contract with the electrical company was in the area working on the powerline right of ways, trimming...this is a large company. However, when I talked to a couple of the guys, (who by the way were NOT wearing gloves while pruning and feeding the chipper) they agreed to come by the following weekend to cut them down for me, for half the cost that it was going to be if I hired an actual tree service to do the same. It was a side job for them to make extra money and often times it is much less expensive for the home owner to go this route...
THIS is the kind of work that is normally done...we also use the bartering system quite a lot in this area....it is most common, especially now that money is at a premium and the economy is so bad in this county.

 

[SoSueMe]

Well, I do remember a statement by someone (very early in the case) that RC worked earlier in the day on February 9th. I can't remember if it was RC, TN or just who said it, but I do remember it. Of course it went by the wayside and the story changed once Misty firmed up her events of the day saying, they just laid around until RC picked Haleigh up from the bus stop and then went to work.

If I need a link, let me know and I'll remove the post. I'm just recalling this from memory. Can I get by with OMO?

OMO

 

[GER]

Right, but at the time his child went missing, that was not the explanation for the cuts on his hands, it was that he hit a door, right? Why not say, oh his hands always looked like that if that was the case?

I can't explain the many varied explanations that have been given in this case...however, in my opinion, RC has been in scraps with others before and I wouldn't put it above suspicion that some of his cuts/abrasions are from altercations with others...for whatever reason.
Let me give this a shot...why wouldn't he say, I got it from tree work? Some people are excellent liars and think fast on their feet. I don't believe these individuals are that good. I think that he likely had a few more scrapes on his hands that were questionable about a fight and instead of coming clean with the truth, it was easier to misdirect suspicion from any possible wrong doing on his behalf (such as a recent fist fight) by stating that he punched a wall or a door. There was, in my opinion, a push to place RC in a more positive light in the news media...and fighting wouldn't be one of those images that one would like to be known for, in this particular case...

 

[GER]

Well, I do remember a statement by someone (very early in the case) that RC worked earlier in the day on February 9th. I can't remember if it was RC, TN or just who said it, but I do remember it. Of course it went by the wayside and the story changed once Misty firmed up her events of the day saying, they just laid around until RC picked Haleigh up from the bus stop and then went to work.

If I need a link, let me know and I'll remove the post. I'm just recalling this from memory. Can I get by with OMO?

OMO

I don't disbelieve you and what you recall. But I ask, how many times have you gotten your days mixed up and events that happened? I personally, am guilty of doing just that. I think that perhaps that could be the case in this situation, is all...

 

[SoSueMe]

I can't explain the many varied explanations that have been given in this case...however, in my opinion, RC has been in scraps with others before and I wouldn't put it above suspicion that some of his cuts/abrasions are from altercations with others...for whatever reason.
Let me give this a shot...why wouldn't he say, I got it from tree work? Some people are excellent liars and think fast on their feet. I don't believe these individuals are that good. I think that he likely had a few more scrapes on his hands that were questionable about a fight and instead of coming clean with the truth, it was easier to misdirect suspicion from any possible wrong doing on his behalf (such as a recent fist fight) by stating that he punched a wall or a door. There was, in my opinion, a push to place RC in a more positive light in the news media...and fighting wouldn't be one of those images that one would like to be known for, in this particular case...

[BBM]

True and to put RC in an even better light, why not say the injuries were from working a second job (the tree cutting business) to make ends meet?

To be honest, the injuries DO look like they might have come from working the tree cutting service, but he didn't offer that explanation. It's strange IMO.

 

[Donjeta]

Right, but at the time his child went missing, that was not the explanation for the cuts on his hands, it was that he hit a door, right? Why not say, oh his hands always looked like that if that was the case?

Because he had a handprint on the backdoor to explain. (whatever does it mean? Is it a handprint like a fingerprint or did he leave a hand shaped dent in it?)

 

[GER]

[BBM]

True and to put RC in an even better light, why not say the injuries were from working a second job (the tree cutting business) to make ends meet?

To be honest, the injuries DO look like they might have come from working the tree cutting service, but he didn't offer that explanation. It's strange IMO.

Yep...why indeed? It makes no sense to me either... But nothing in this case makes sense!!!

 

[hopingicanhelp]

I've looked at the photo of his hand and I can definitely see where those injuries could come from either tree work or a fight or both.

I know it isn't always cool to bring personal experiences into our discussions, but I personally have horrible problems with my hands, especially if there's already an injury to one of my knuckles. It seems like all I have to do is barely tap or bump my hand on something and an existing cut will split further or the thin skin around my knuckles will "surface bleed", like a bleeding abrasion or something.

So if he already had injuries to his hands from work or fighting or all of the above, even a hard slap (rather than closed fist punch) could cause some of those healing cuts/abrasions to re-open.

 

[SoSueMe]

Because he had a handprint on the backdoor to explain. (whatever does it mean? Is it a handprint like a fingerprint or did he leave a hand shaped dent in it?)

IMO, it should have looked nothing like a handprint, but perhaps a whole where a fist went through it or at least a dent, if that's truly what happened. I mean what, he slapped the door? Come on now. LOL