2009.02.18 ~ Father Reportedly Had a Fight Day Before Haleigh Disappeared.

[Crosby87]

Perhaps Ron was out in the afternoon digging a grave and he went back to this site after he dropped HaLeigh off at home. Could extensive use of a shovel cause the wounds seen on Ron's hands. Are they possibly defense wounds?

 

[dodie20]

I can't even picture rc cutting trees. My research told me that Aunt Katrina also had a window tinting business. Now that is something I see him doing. If you are doing tree work, you wear VERY thick heavy gloves. I see them out here and they are dressed and protected. I can't think of anyone NOT wearing substantial gloves who use saws and heavy equipment.

Those cuts on his hands were not from any tree cutting. He likes to punch things.

well, he, himself, told the cops that he punched a door, so the tree theory, is kind of pointless...but since he also said that there was no fight, & then much later changed that story, it's only logical to presume that the injuries came from that fight. That's what happens when someone lies...it creates the need to tell more & more lies. I think, if LE is on the ball here, they'll reconfront Ron with that fight. & then reconfront him with that door. They need to find out if Ron really did punch that door, & why, because his earlier stories aren't holding much water. so...if Ronald had hurt his hands, while trimming trees, why not just say so, from the beginning? Why blame it on emotional distress that he took out on the door? Why lie about a fight, over a gun, or anything else? Nope. Ron needs to be interrogated.

 

[dodie20]

Perhaps Ron was out in the afternoon digging a grave and he went back to this site after he dropped HaLeigh off at home. Could extensive use of a shovel cause the wounds seen on Ron's hands. Are they possibly defense wounds?

I've done some shovel work, & yes it does damage the hands-but it's more blistery & raw, not cut & scratched. & honestly, I can't really see his injuries as defensive wounds, or the result of punching a door...but, maybe some kind of offensive wounds. Somebody mentioned brass knuckles, & that's a maybe, but I was thinking more on the line of rings, & the cuts maybe coming from the stones. If someone throws punches, while wearing rings, I'd think that the rings might twist & turn, & therefore, the stones, might cut the wearer's hands.

 

[Emeralgem]

well, he, himself, told the cops that he punched a door, so the tree theory, is kind of pointless...but since he also said that there was no fight, & then much later changed that story, it's only logical to presume that the injuries came from that fight. That's what happens when someone lies...it creates the need to tell more & more lies. I think, if LE is on the ball here, they'll reconfront Ron with that fight. & then reconfront him with that door. They need to find out if Ron really did punch that door, & why, because his earlier stories aren't holding much water. so...if Ronald had hurt his hands, while trimming trees, why not just say so, from the beginning? Why blame it on emotional distress that he took out on the door? Why lie about a fight, over a gun, or anything else? Nope. Ron needs to be interrogated.

BBM..
And according to a local who used to post here.. Ron C told him...

Check out post #540

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[dodie20]

BBM..
And according to a local who used to post here.. Ron C told him...

Check out post #540

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

& I wonder which of his versions, is true-if any.

 

[4Jacy]

Very possible. But most workers I've seen who trim trees, or work with landscaping always wear gloves to at least protect their hands and forearms.
jmo

Yes, and isn't it convenient he was working for his aunt. When will the BS stop.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

well, he, himself, told the cops that he punched a door, so the tree theory, is kind of pointless...but since he also said that there was no fight, & then much later changed that story, it's only logical to presume that the injuries came from that fight. That's what happens when someone lies...it creates the need to tell more & more lies. I think, if LE is on the ball here, they'll reconfront Ron with that fight. & then reconfront him with that door. They need to find out if Ron really did punch that door, & why, because his earlier stories aren't holding much water. so...if Ronald had hurt his hands, while trimming trees, why not just say so, from the beginning? Why blame it on emotional distress that he took out on the door? Why lie about a fight, over a gun, or anything else? Nope. Ron needs to be interrogated.

Drugs and Guns, two things that Ronalds has "DENIED OVER AND OVER"
IMO, what ever happen to Haleigh had to do with drugs and guns.

The guns and drugs have been discussed for months and now that Misty and Tommy are blaming Joe for killing Haleigh over a gun TN says they are lying. Just as Ronald said there was no fight over no gun and he had no enemies.

I find it very odd that TN jumped into the media limelight to discredit Misty and Tommy's gun allegations and I question why? Why would she not be devastated to hear the allegations? Instead she was non shall-ant and just said Misty was a liar and that she should not be believe. Neves said she thinks Misty is lying.

" Neves said, "I don't believe anything Misty says until somebody can prove it. ,"Whatever it is, it needs to be proven." :waitasec:

Why is it that when it comes to drugs, abuse, or guns Ronald and TN "DENI DENI DENI". Yet, here is Ronald in jail for drugs and now we have Misty making claims that Haleigh died because Joe got mad because he could not find Ronalds' prize gun.

:waitasec: I do wonder why the gun/riffle was not given to LE that night in Feb 2009?
Misty said the gun she slept with was not under her pillow either, but when Ron got home he had the gun. The Barrett I assume, that is what was on the police report. But Ron's prize gun did not get turned over to LE Feb 2009. The one he threated to kill Misty with, the one he put in his mouth in front of Jr. I wonder if LE ever got that riffle and where was it on Feb 9, 2009?

Ron also told Cobra he was the one that hid the guns and retrieved them and cleaned them. Why would Ron need to hide the gun and clean it? Why did Misty and Chelsea lie about finding it? :waitasec:

Posted: Monday, 23 August 2010 11:17AM

Reporter's Notes: Haleigh Cummings and the "Gun Story"

TJ Hart
"snip" http://www.thesky973.com/pages/7970706.php

The issue raised recently by lawyers representing Misty Croslin and Tommy Croslin where each stated a dispute over a machine precipitated the abduction of Haleigh Cummings by Misty and Tommy's cousin Joe Overstreet from Tennessee.
In a televised press conference from firstcoastnews.com held by Ronald and Teresa Neves, 9 days after Haleigh disappeared, Ronald plays down any notion that and argument took place about a gun.

MUCH MORE AT ARTICLE LINK!

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Ron Cummings Agrees to Plea Deal

Aired August 20, 2010

"Snip" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/20/ijvm.01.html


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I understand -- speaking of guns, Art Harris -- you have some new information about Misty and a gun?

HARRIS: That`s right. Misty had slept with a gun under her pillow that Ron gave her to protect herself from just such intruders but it was not under the pillow that night. She told that to Flo Hollars. She told that to her attorney who I interviewed. And what happened to those guns? Ron took them out of the house. The guns are at the heart of their alibi. And that is that --


HARRIS: The machine gun that he kept in the closet that he showed to Tommy and Joe a week earlier they were drinking beer and he really loved his guns, had a gun fetish. A lot of his ex-wives said he would put a gun in his mouth and play Ronald Roulette. But here he wanted that gun. Joe wanted to steal that gun and it wasn`t there.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: FLO HOLLARS, Did you know that Misty, your granddaughter, slept with a gun under her pillow?

HOLLARS: Yes, ma`am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell me about that. Why?

HOLLARS: I really can`t say why. All I know is she said she had to sleep with a gun under her head every night in case anybody came in to shoot them.


PICAZIO: The only thing I could figure would be if he heard information from Misty or from Tommy, someone in the family after the fact.

Also, law enforcement has forensic evidence from the trailer or from the crime scene; witnesses in the community that people who are working on the case and who were inside in the case working for one of the parents.

We did come to know some of those things. Ron has to have known about those things and Ron was not telling the entire truth when he said that he was at work the whole time and things of that nature.

So there`s a lot of things that Ron will say --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, wait you`re saying he did leave work that night before he came home, that there`s some mystery story we don`t know about?

PICAZIO: Well, there are some reports that have been substantiated or not by law enforcement about the time that he did get to work and prior nights where he had left work. And we also had confirmation from a security guard at his employer`s that on two occasions Ron had the children, Haleigh and her little brother, Junior sleeping in the car, while he was at work and came to check out on them.

So that might go to the phone calls that he was trying to get in touch with Misty because that would happen when Misty leave the trailer. Misty had left the trailer before on many evenings. We had eyewitness accounts by the neighbors that we had personally spoken to.

Report: Misty Croslin is lying about abduction, grandma TN says
Orlando Sentinel August 18, 2010
"Snip" http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...slin-haleigh-grandma-20100818,0,7785996.story

Teresa Neves says she doesn't believe what Misty Croslin has told investigators about the night Haleigh vanished in February 2009.

Teresa Neves, said Croslin's allegation that her cousin Joe , put Haleigh screaming in a bag and took her away, sounds like a lie.

"How could a 5-yr-old scream like that and neighbors not hear? It just doesn't add up," Neves said.


To read the full story on news4jax.com, click here. http://www.news4jax.com/news/24674646/detail.html

 

[Kimster]

Thank you so much for bumping up this pertinent thread! :dance:

 

[doobiedoo52]

I have never had any doubts that the gun story was true. My only doubt was WHEN it actually happened. According to the Cobra tapes which I've listened to over and over, RC says 'the second day he was here he stole my piece'. This is probably shortly after the initial family get together on Joe's arrival when they sat around drinking beer and RC showed his guns off. The thing we don't know here, is WHEN RC discovered the handgun missing.(not the machine gun) It could have been a week or more if he didn't use it for much--who knows? At that point he went ballistic and knowing that Joe was staying at Tommy's, had the girls go snoop around. I don't think they were lying about looking for the gun. And we don't know how long they looked from just the story they told. They could have been looking for hours for all we know. They are giving up and they walk up the driveway and Misty mentions the culvert. He tells her to look there. She finds the gun. It gets returned to RC and he cleans it because it's been laying outside in the elements for a week. He knows the hiding place, now he just needs to see who goes there.

He's pretty sure it's Joe so he tells Hank and Hank starts laying into him and makes him move to him & Lisa's house. Ron gets hotter and hotter trying to get a confession out of Joe. He probably lays into Misty since it's her relative--maybe that's when he booted her out of the house. She goes on her 3 day binge, Hank has a car accident probably with Timmy since it was Tim's car and he is slightly injured too. Joe is relocated to Tim & Chelsea's when Hank ends up in the hospital. Sometime on the day after Haleigh disappears, Joe's ride shows up. I believe he went to the hospital in the morning to see Hank before he left and Hank was still on his case there. When the ride shows, that's when Ron sees the girlfriend looking in the culvert. Now he knows for sure. I don't think that RC thought the gun had anything to do with Haleigh, but he did turn it over to LE. If the whole gun story was spread out like this over a week and a half period, then the story about the fight the day before Haleigh disappeared could still be the same theft from when Joe first arrived. A timeline on when all these things happened would be very helpful. Maybe that is part of the timeline RC is working on. JMO

 

[kant]

Thank you so much for bumping up this pertinent thread! :dance:

I second that.

Some of this is new to me and verrrry in-ter-rrrresting.(...in my best Arte Johnson voice)

(did I Just date myself?)

 

[justus4all]

Repectfully snipped for space...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: FLO HOLLARS, Did you know that Misty, your granddaughter, slept with a gun under her pillow?

HOLLARS: Yes, ma`am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell me about that. Why?

HOLLARS: I really can`t say why. All I know is she said she had to sleep with a gun under her head every night in case anybody came in to shoot them.

bolded by me....I just simply can't believe that Misty slept with a gun..under her head/pillow..with 2 small children ....in the bed..WITH HER.....How dangerous in that???...It seems Haleigh and Junior slept in the same room with Misty and Ron...and it seems in the same bed with Misty quite often...AND NOW WE LEARN SHE HAS A WEAPON UNDER HER HEAD/PILLOW..???...KIDS IN THE SAME ROOM!!!!!..kids would SURELY see it/find it/know it.........YIKES!!!!!..Really unbelieveable to me....

 

[kant]

Repectfully snipped for space...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: FLO HOLLARS, Did you know that Misty, your granddaughter, slept with a gun under her pillow?

HOLLARS: Yes, ma`am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell me about that. Why?

HOLLARS: I really can`t say why. All I know is she said she had to sleep with a gun under her head every night in case anybody came in to shoot them.

bolded by me....I just simply can't believe that Misty slept with a gun..under her head/pillow..with 2 small children ....in the bed..WITH HER.....How dangerous in that???...It seems Haleigh and Junior slept in the same room with Misty and Ron...and it seems in the same bed with Misty quite often...AND NOW WE LEARN SHE HAS A WEAPON UNDER HER HEAD/PILLOW..???...KIDS IN THE SAME ROOM!!!!!..kids would SURELY see it/find it/know it.........YIKES!!!!!..Really unbelieveable to me....

Hinky isnt it? Either Flo is mistaken. Misty lied to her grandma. OR good Lord, she really did have a weapon under the pillow, and if it was loaded - in which case yikes. And if so, why wasnt it there on the one night she supposedly needed it?

Actually yikes and grain of salt all the way around.

moo

 

[Justin Tyme]

If there was a fight that occurred on the 9th the day before they staged the MH to look like an abduction so they could report her missing...
LE taking their clothes doesn't mean a thing... They had time to change clothes and discard any clothes they were wearing on the 9th that could have provided LE with clues as to what may have happened..Wonder IF that garbage bag they saw Misty with in the Shell Harbor contained the clothes they were wearing on the 9th of February?JMO

Oh, my my. I had forgotten about this. Good thing I was back tracking to refresh my memory. Wasn't it said that MC was seen carrying a black garbage bag and then now we're reading that ToC said that JO placed Haleigh in a black bag? So, if this is true then in places a black bag in two peoples hands. Jo's and MC's.

 

[Justin Tyme]

doobiedoo52 - RC told Cobra that he found the gun in the culvert and cleaned it. I don't think JO ever took that gun and I don't think that it was in the culvert. I think that RC had this gun all along and he cleaned it before turning it over to LE so that they wouldn't question as to why it was recently shot. You know the story of him telling that JO took the gun and RC threatened to smash JO's hand for stealing. But I find it strange that it was RC who had a smashed up hand. I know, he said that he hit the inside of his trailer door with his fist after finding out that Haleigh was missing, but I think that this was to cover the fact that his hand was already damaged. Who knows? Maybe he accidentally shot Haleigh while messing with his guns then beat his hand because he blamed his hand or he mashed his hand to be able say later that he couldn't have been the one to pull the trigger because of his damaged hand. Along with this I think that there was a fight...perhaps that's when a gun was pulled and Haleigh accidentally got shot. Was it between RC and JO. I don't know. But from reading and learning how RC operates he does everything to cover up anything that he's done illegally.
1. Cleans the gun to cover a crime
2. Denies a fight
3. Smashes his hand on door to cover that it was already damaged.
4. marries and underage girl to keep from being charged with SR or to be frowned upon by the public eye
5. hides behind TN & GMS
I'm sure others can add more to this list...
I really think that he was involved and I do believe that a gun was used. These are my strongest feelings.
Again, I think that they say that the gun was in a culvert to appear to have a legit reason for having cleaned it prior to handing it over to LE. These are my opinions.

If MC was seen carrying a black garbage bag and ToC says JO, insert any name here was seen with HC in a black bag then they're included in the disposal and cover-up of this beautiful child.

GOD BLESS LITTLE HALEIGH

 

[mysticrose]

I am glad to see this thread bumped again. I believe this fight occured and I believe there is alot of signifigance and or relevance in part of why Haliegh is no longer with us .... jmo and all that

 

[dsntslp]

When asked about the fight and when Geraldo asked about drugs RC reaction is much the same. With this in mind it might be interesting to go back through video and watch for that same terse, set jaw reaction to other questions/answers he has given. IMO

 

[suspicious1]

I have to admit, I totally forgot about that alleged "fight" right before Haleigh disappeared.

This is one of the reasons that I thought there was a fight or commotion going around 2am.

On one of those shows, (forget which one) I remember Jo's attorney saying something about they've already told LE about that incident. I think he was asked about the fight over the gun, I'm not 100% sure, does anyone else remember this?

I think there may be some truth to it. JMO

 

[dsntslp]

IIRC, he also seems to lean forward slightly at times like that, fwiw. Working strictly from memory here (fallible) and will have to check it out again tonight if I have time.

Like...in your face, I will MAKE you believe me, kwim?

 

[lonetraveler]

Here is one thing that stands out to me about the story of Ron's fight with Joe, Ron's hands are all cut and bruised. However, Joe doesn't appear to have a mark on him the very day that Haleigh is reported missing. Are there any videos or photos available with Timmy and Tommy in them? I don't really remember seeing them until much later. I really believe that if Ron got his cuts and bruises from beating on Joe, there would be plenty of evidence that Joe was the one who was beaten up. Very perplexing!:waitasec: Could Ron have hurt his hands by going through dense brush and woods and maybe hand digging a grave?:waitasec:

 

[lonetraveler]

FWIW, I've always thought that Ron hid the Automatic Rifle in the space under the bathtub and that is why LE had a section of the drywall removed from the bathroom, maybe to check for fingerprints.