2009.02.27 - Lee's Deposition

[dax]

I think it doesn't matter if JB already knew or not. What matters is that he now knows other people know...that's the difference. JB is not required to follow anything potentially damning to his client, so him previously knowing doesn't really matter...i.e. he's not going to tell the LE hey - look at this!

An attorney CANNOT perpetrate a fraud on the court. If it can be proved that he was conspiring to do just that he would be in SERIOUS trouble!

fingers and toes crossed.....

 

[Valhall]

An attorney CANNOT perpetrate a fraud on the court. If it can be proved that he was conspiring to do just that he would be in SERIOUS trouble!

fingers and toes crossed.....

Yep, I agree. But what I'm saying is if JB had knowledge of the zenaida myspace, and he had any fear looking into it would be a negative impact on his client...he has no obligation to pursue it. Nor does he have an obligation to share a "potential negative" with LE. It's to his benefit to plan for the potential and hope it doesn't surface.

 

[dax]

Did anyone notice Lee saying "cell phone calls from jail" when he was talking about contact with his sister?

I played it over 3 times to make sure that is what he said and it is accurate.

I didn't think Casey was allowed to make cell calls from jail. The only way she could do that is if JB is with her and allows it. I thought that was a no-no.

I apologize if this was discussed. I searched for it but didn't find anything.

 

[littlemisslegal]

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[littlemisslegal]

Call me gullible, because I rushed right into that one... :rolling:

I can tell you one thing, it aint no picnic there!! being a fl resident . local, it is not disney either but it is rated high in the system . after all -- its much more comfy than she deserves.

 

[scrabble]

I can tell you one thing, it aint no picnic there!! being a fl resident . local, it is not disney either but it is rated high in the system . after all -- its much more comfy than she deserves.

You are talking about her jail cell?

 

[Jay D]

Didn't George threaten the kidnapper via the media? He said, "We know who you are and we're watching you."

Good catch Jon!
This would be a very good point for Morgan to follow up on with George if he is deposed. Who was George watching? The real ZFG? If not "A ZFG", any ZFG, then why are they now saying KC is to be believed?

 

[littlemisslegal]

VAL --thanks for taking time to post your info, i look forward to being able to take time and read your hubbys site.

 

[littlemisslegal]

You are talking about her jail cell?

my post was that i had posted info on blanchard and the jail too. yes, 33rd is not a picnic in the park. its freezing cold inside, when in I am sure she can not order lobster-- I mean how much cheetos can you eat??lol

 

[Valhall]

VAL --thanks for taking time to post your info, i look forward to being able to take time and read your hubbys site.

I just want to make sure no one thinks I posted that to take traffic from Websleuths. With my hubby having a site, I understand the no-no's of that. I just put that up to give a timetag on the work.

Anything I posted there can be reposted here if the mods decide they want it that way. There are some interesting things in the investigation of ZG22. For instance, you have to answer the question of why KC would bother showing up for the citation and paying the fine on the invalid driver's license citation. It's there. Florida state law requires that the citing officer must take a fingerprint at the time of the citation.

So KC (if she was ZG22) had been fingerprinted on May 24th...she needed to make sure the case didn't go criminal. She needed to take care of it and make it go away.

 

[Jay D]

Question 12 page 57-58:

12. Q Did you ask Casey why does Zenaida Gonzalez want our baby?

17.-22 A (Lee) Casey's explanation on why Caylee would have been taken was to the extent of that Zenaida didn't think that Caylee should have been with Casey, for whatever reason, and that she was ...that she was taking Caylee from her for a period of time to teach her a lesson. (LEE:I do remember that for sure)

As I read this in the transcript, I was reminded about the hundreds of times that it has been repeated in these forums that "there is some truth mixed in with the lies".

The truth I saw here from Lee's lie was Cindy threatening to go to court to take Caylee away from KC.

 

[reeseeva]

Exactly, and not only will they be able to determine the IP of the log-ins of caseyomarie's myspace, but of the premeditated "zenaida" myspace set up on June 16th, just prior to KC "kicking off" the whole "Zanny stole my baby" story.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=389838213

And they will be able to tell if she accessed this zenaida myspace account from JB's office during the countless days she spent her full day at his office. And they will be able to tell that it is not merely a coincidence that 1.) the zenaida myspace was created on the same day Caylee was last seen, and 2. the zenaida myspace was last accessed on the last free day - when KC went to jail for good.

They will be able to see what IP coincidentally chose a "Dora the Explorer" dancing doll as their myspace picture when at the same time Caylee had a Dora the Explorer backpack (and most likely a Dora pony, as referenced as a "toy horse" found with the remains).

They will be able to see what IP...so coincidentally...chose a birthday on the zenaida myspace that is February 19th - where KC's is March 19th.

Age 23 on 02/18/09:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Valhall/zenaidamyspace021809.jpg

Age 24 on 02/19/09:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Valhall/zenaidamyspace021909.jpg

Apparently this myspace "zenaida" doesn't drive, because the Florida DMV shows no one with the first name zenaida having a birthday of 02/19/85 in their database.

And hopefully they will be able to obtain what, if any content, was posted on that account and subsequently removed prior to 10/14....the last date of entry. And they will be able to tell what IP...so coincidentally...chose "Miami" as the location when we have seen KC keep centering back on Miami as a possible place for "Zanny".

They will most likely be able to tell us exactly what time on 06/16/08 that account was set up. And since the forensics from KC's laptop show NO user activity for the entire day of the 16th, and the forensics for the Anthony desktop show only activity for a brief time in the morning and then again just prior to GA going to work, and no activity after he left work....if the IP matches the Anthony IP, that time of creation will NECESSARILY preface the disappearance of Caylee. Pointing to premeditation of the whole scenario and a "plan" as KC walked Caylee out of that house.

They, of course, already know that this myspace wouldn't show up on the computer forensic search for "zenaida" because there is no "zenaida" in the URL for this myspace. But they also now know what to perform a forensic search on to see if the Anthony desktop accessed this myspace.

Then, maybe, they will be able to tell us why the 22 year old Zenaida Gonzalez who got two traffic tickets in Orlando by an OCSO officer in May 2008 - one for not yielding at an intersection, the other for not have a valid driver's license was able to completely satisfy the ticket for not yielding, but was unable to produce a valid license at the June 11th arraignment for not possessing the license. And maybe they will explain why the payments on the fine for not having a license were kept up until KC went back to jail for good and then this "Zenaida Gonzalez" fell off the face of the earth. Maybe they will explain why, on February 19th, 2009, "Zenaida" didn't show up for her last chance to keep her license and they subsequently issued a court-ordered suspension of that license. Maybe they will explain why in the Florida database this Zenaida Gonzalez has never been able to have her social security number verified in the system...was it because this "Zenaida" is an illegal? or is it because she is somebody else who already has a valid license that has the social security number verified? (like KC). Is it a coincidence that this ZG has an address to a home that is owned by two people whose permanent address is in New York and appears to be a winter home for them, while KC insinuated a possible New York connection?

Maybe LE will also be able to explain why on 09/11/08 a previous traffic citation KC received on 08/04/03 for not possessing a valid driver's license, and which was marked as satisfied and dismissed on 08/12/03 when she did produce her driver's license, was changed from a "dismissed" status to "prosecutorial". Did they find that on 8/12/03 she had two driver's licenses, one with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez"? Possessing two driver's licenses in Florida is a felony offense.

Did KC run with people who had two driver's licenses? Yes...Lauren Coppel was stopped on 10/14/04 for DUI and subsequently also received a citation for "possessing more than one valid Florida driver's license"...she had to lawyer up to get out of that one.

It appears KC is ZG...it appears she created the myspace "zenaida" page before she left the Anthony residence on the 16th. It appears she planned something that required a "zenaida" and with the "timer55" backing out to June 15th, it appears she started this plan on that evening, probably right after CA almost choked the crap out of her. The LE can explain what that "zenaida-requiring" plan was and why we have the odd coincidence of Caylee turning up missing and then dead and it tying to a kidnapping "Zenaida"...they can explain all these coincidences to us some day. They'll probably also explain to us the bizarre coincidence that will follow this post when coincident to a JB visit to KC in the jail, the "zenaida" myspace will mysteriously, after months of no access, be accessed. Because I fear that, to be quite honest...I think JB has some one watching this site and that's why I haven't said anything about the myspace page here before now. But maybe just outright stating that we know what's up JB!!! will make him think twice about that one. But, of course, he can just pass username and password to good ol' Lee on the backside...Lee the formatter, Lee the expunger....Lee the "blue screen of death".

KC isn't lying...the last person she saw Caylee with was Zenaida Gonzalez.

See bold by me.

Valhall, Interesting theory & great work.

Thought you would like to see JamesBondJames, re: ZFG & JWG's work on the computer forensics, Posts # 81, & 94, which shows the HP desktop activity goes way up between 2-3pm on 6/16

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3033912#post3033912

 

[debbie0604]

It doesn't surprise me at all that LA believes everything his sister has told him. I find his dress "too casual" and his laughter totally inappropriate while answering questions. This comes across to me as a lack of concern and respect for ZFG.

His body language spells out deception - he often looks up, down, or around (a true sign of deception - one who is truthful will lock eyes with you when talking). While he is very polite when testifying, some parts of his testimony sounds as if he has committed it to memory from notes, while some of the other questions are more difficult for him, and he hesitates and stumbles over his answers and sounds as if he is trying to make up his answers as he goes along. Just my opinion and observation.

 

[marla]

I actually posted my theory along with evidence on January 29th over on my hubby's website

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread432443/pg1'

just to see if some one could shoot holes in it or bring more to the table. But I was very fearful of posting here because I really do believe the defense is watching WebSleuths. I don't think the defense is even smart enough to be googling casey returns, so I didn't feel like they would find it over there...although, with it being a conspiracy website, they would have not put much credit into anyway.

I wanted to allow time for LE to do what they needed to do. I also was watching for the birthdate. I think it's been ample time for LE to have requested any info from myspace at this point. But in addition, I felt I was running the risk of the Anthony team finding the site without it being brought to light, and destroying anything that might be valuable there (i.e. Lee and his account deleting tendencies).

I just didn't want it to go away before it's properly been investigated...and hopefully if LE hasn't done so yet, they will now.

This is fascinating!
Thank you for the link .. :seeya:

 

[Searchfortruth]

It doesn't surprise me at all that LA believes everything his sister has told him. I find his dress "too casual" and his laughter totally inappropriate while answering questions. This comes across to me as a lack of concern and respect for ZFG.

His body language spells out deception - he often looks up, down, or around (a true sign of deception - one who is truthful will lock eyes with you when talking). While he is very polite when testifying, some parts of his testimony sounds as if he has committed it to memory from notes, while some of the other questions are more difficult for him, and he hesitates and stumbles over his answers and sounds as if he is trying to make up his answers as he goes along. Just my opinion and observation.

If you believe what they say about deception and eye gaze, left vs. right, Lee is definitely looking to his left during many parts in the deposition. This would mean that he is searching the creative portion of his brain as opposed to actual truthful memory, which would be connected to a right gaze. Ofcourse, these indicators are just pieces in assessing deception and not used alone.

 

[AnnaMouse]

Vallhall, thanks for taking the time to put together the scenario. Most of it makes sense to me. I did want to add a little insight on the choice of Dora. We all know that Caylee had a Dora backpack but there may be a little more to the story of Dora.

Dora is one of the most popular characters at Universal Studios. I would say that Dora ties with the Simpsons as the most popular characters in the park. But the Simpsons weren't there yet at the parks when KC worked there. At the time when KC worked there, Dora was by far the favorite character. Part of the job of the Kodak crew (where KC worked) is to take pictures of the characters posing with the guests. Then the guest can purchase these pictures. I am sure that KC spent a lot of time with Dora and may even know the team members who portray Dora in the park.

In the Nick store at Universal Studios is a huge room devoted to just Dora products. Every Dora and Diego toy, clothing, backpack, and collectible known to man is sold there. Team members get a large discount so she may have even purchased a few items during her pregnancy. The store is not 100 feet from the Kodak store. Even if she didn't purchase them there, she would at least know what a huge hit that Dora toys are.

 

[Doodlelover]

I actually posted my theory along with evidence on January 29th over on my hubby's website

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread432443/pg1'

just to see if some one could shoot holes in it or bring more to the table. But I was very fearful of posting here because I really do believe the defense is watching WebSleuths. I don't think the defense is even smart enough to be googling casey returns, so I didn't feel like they would find it over there...although, with it being a conspiracy website, they would have not put much credit into anyway.

I wanted to allow time for LE to do what they needed to do. I also was watching for the birthdate. I think it's been ample time for LE to have requested any info from myspace at this point. But in addition, I felt I was running the risk of the Anthony team finding the site without it being brought to light, and destroying anything that might be valuable there (i.e. Lee and his account deleting tendencies).

I just didn't want it to go away before it's properly been investigated...and hopefully if LE hasn't done so yet, they will now.

I read your theory on that site a few weeks ago and did some looking into it and it sure is chock full of "coincidences" isn't it? Too many for sure. You did a great job putting it all together.

I think there is a story here for sure and we may not know the IP that the Zanaida myspace was set up from on June 16th but you can bet LE does. KC did spend a fair amount of time on the Anthony PC the afternoon of the 16th after GA went to work and she came back to the house. Maybe this is what she was doing. Maybe Caylee was already gone and she started her cover up story or she did this myspace and killed Caylee that very afternoon. Either way it's damning evidence. This coupled with all the physical evidence and forensics makes LE very confident. I think its great and JB has got his work cut out for him if he doesn't get in big trouble first.

Thanks for posting this here, I did see it as I said but did not bookmark it and had no way to go back to it.

The vehicle tickets with Annie and ZG on the same day is very important. I have always said that Annie is going to be the prosecutions star witness. I think she is the one that is going to put all this ZG story out there for us to see. She is the one who is going to show that KC used ZG as an alias and that there is NO real nanny. JMHO

 

[Nana46]

I hope and pray with all that is in me that LE does look at this and not brush it off....how can they not see some relevance here? Please let them pour over this as long as it takes and get to the bottom of this.

Wonderful work Valhall

 

[Valhall]

KC did spend a fair amount of time on the Anthony PC the afternoon of the 16th after GA went to work and she came back to the house. Maybe this is what she was doing. Maybe Caylee was already gone and she started her cover up story or she did this myspace and killed Caylee that very afternoon. Either way it's damning evidence. This coupled with all the physical evidence and forensics makes LE very confident. I think its great and JB has got his work cut out for him if he doesn't get in big trouble first.

Just to make a correction here...there is NO activity on the Anthony desktop between 3-11 p.m. on the 16th. George went to work at 3. There is NO indication KC returned to the Anthony house and used the computer.

That's even more damning...because that reduces her times to create this zenaida page (if she did) to before she left the house. Premeditation.

 

[CBTampa]

I just want to make sure no one thinks I posted that to take traffic from Websleuths. With my hubby having a site, I understand the no-no's of that. I just put that up to give a timetag on the work.

Anything I posted there can be reposted here if the mods decide they want it that way. There are some interesting things in the investigation of ZG22. For instance, you have to answer the question of why KC would bother showing up for the citation and paying the fine on the invalid driver's license citation. It's there. Florida state law requires that the citing officer must take a fingerprint at the time of the citation.

So KC (if she was ZG22) had been fingerprinted on May 24th...she needed to make sure the case didn't go criminal. She needed to take care of it and make it go away.

Are you citing in the case of no valid drivers license, they are required to take a fingerprint?

I just found the answer. The state of Florida does require it.