2009.03.12 Casey Anthony Motion Hearing

[Searchfortruth]

I suppose if they are coming from Cindy that would explain why nothing seems to fit properly, Casey has gained a few pounds.
But that purple shell under the too small white sweater was awful,it looked faded and stretched out.

Also, LKB is not the type of woman that a FL jury will embrace.
She is bossy, loudmouthed and just plain unlikeable.

I agree, LKB is not exactly the type of female to win over a group of southerners, women especially !

 

[MaryAnn]

Did he say Lee found 17 hairs??? I mean that is quite a bit, I'm shocked honestly.

I agree that they are showing their hand at what's to come. I wonder who processed the 17 hairs Lee found..did I miss that somewhere?

They didn't say where they found the 17 hairs. It could be all over the interior of the car. JB also did not say who the hair belonged too. Maybe all Caylee's?? :furious:

 

[SeekingJana]

Right....a messy-haired blonde bull LOL

Ohh, I hope the trial is televised. The defense " characters" are as bad as I have ever seen.

And not to be catty, well, maybe a little, but all I could think of with this Badan woman was "Linda Tripp".

Am I right that she's married to Michael Baden?

 

[azwriter]

What we have to remember about an expert like Dr. Lee is that although he is brought in by the defense to study the evidence, he may never be called to testify. Especially if what he finds would not benefit the accused.
If you recall, he was also part of the defense in the Scott Peterson case. But, he never took the stand.
I believe today's hearing was a way for the defense to put the information out there that Dr. Lee found additional hairs during his inspection of the car. (Although you will notice nothing specific was given about the type of hairs or where they were discovered within the car).
Biaz and company is mainly pointing out the prosecution did not do a thorough job in its investigation. This is the beginning of a plan for the defense to attack the evidence. That will be the only hope the defense has to help Casey be found not guilty. It won't be the Nanny Did It defense.
The sanctions was just a smoke screen in order to have Dr. Lee's findings in the record. This needed to be done, (and here comes my opinion) because when it comes right down to it; Dr. Lee is not going to be testifying in this case.
jmo

 

[Searchfortruth]

Ohh, I hope the trial is televised. The defense " characters" are as bad as I have ever seen.

And not to be catty, well, maybe a little, but all I could think of with this Badan woman was "Linda Tripp".

Am I right that she's married to Michael Baden?

Yes she is married to Michael Baden, in the Spector trial (she was the Defense Atty) her husband testified for the defense, Linda was absent in court that day. I guess the move was made to avoid any appearance of "conflict of interest", which it most assuredly did not.

 

[Hot Dogs]

They didn't say where they found the 17 hairs. It could be all over the interior of the car. JB also did not say who the hair belonged too. Maybe all Caylee's?? :furious:

The doc dump tells us where Lee found the hairs. They were all taken into evidence and given inventory numbers. This is potentially important because any of those hairs could have significance. We've been told that possibly only one hair from Caylee showed signed of decomposition (from a dead body). Lee could have found more hairs showing that characteristic. The point is that those 17 hairs were not previously collected by OCSO.

 

[JustJax]

This huge issue about Lee finding additional hairs is much ado about nothing IMO....When a crime scene is gone over by CSI they ALL leave some traces of thier own selves in said scene. That's why thier fingerprints, shoe prints, yadda yadda are documented and compared to identify and eliminate unidetnified trace evidence at the scene.

 

[SeekingJana]

Defense has nothing to run with. She did it; she's guilty; she should cop a plea. Maybe, maybe, get out while she's still only about 60 years old.

The evidence is insurmountable. No jury will find her NG, and I doubt any juror will have any "unreasonable doubt". Stick a fork in her. She's done.

HOWEVER, everyone needs to make the bucks off Caylee, write books, etc.

It occurred to me today that perhaps her own ( pathetic) defense team did the crippled dog and pony show act in an attempt to get Casey to plea out.

If so, it might be a very effective psychological move, considered how unnerved Casey seemed to be at any mention of specifics related to evidence of the murder. This is the first time she has had to face any specifics, or see a forensic lab prosessor testify.. Before now, it's all been cut and dried legalese procedures related to arrest and charges.

JMO, but since she tends to reject most peoples' overt suggestions, I think what happened today+ one more similar hearing coming up might push her to call it quits before trial day.

Do ya think there's a chance she might plea after a few more procedural hearings and more of Baez acting like a clown on speed?

 

[Roze]

It occurred to me today that perhaps her own ( pathetic) defense team did the crippled dog and pony show act in an attempt to get Casey to plea out.

If so, it might be a very effective psychological move, considered how unnerved Casey seemed to be at any mention of specifics related to evidence of the murder. This is the first time she has had to face any specifics, or see a forensic lab prosessor testify.. Before now, it's all been cut and dried legalese procedures related to arrest and charges.

JMO, but since she tends to reject most peoples' overt suggestions, I think what happened today+ one more similar hearing coming up might push her to call it quits before trial day.

Do ya think there's a chance she might plea after a few more procedural hearings and more of Baez acting like a clown on speed?

As someone else on WS once said, "She hasn't run out of hall yet." This a women that led LE to the end of a hall, to her "office" that didn't exist. Sure, she was a little uncomfortable today, but she's back hiding in her jail cell and all is well with the world. She's erased today from her memory. JMO.

 

[ThoughtElf]

OCSO was watching Lee when he found the hairs.

Still doesn't conclusively mean that the hairs weren't shed by others in the course of investigation between the initial evidence gathering and Lee's evidence gathering.

Which isn't a perfect scenario either, as it could speak to contamination. But nothing seen to date shows without a doubt that the State missed those 17 hairs.

quid pro quo

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

IIRC....HL supposedly found ONE hair...the rest were found by OCSO - don't know with or without HL. I need to go back and look because I remember it was purposely specified in the report that he found one hair. Also, he said on NG about finding the hair and gave it to OCSO - since it wasn't a fingernail....LOL
He was also talking about "ham and cheese and food" that were in the trunk that could account for the "dead body smell" on the same show. It was also reported that he found some ketchup packets, but "spit" them out.....sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

ETA : But, I'll find it tomorrow...sorry, I can't bring myself to go back to look for it now.

 

[Zelda]

LKB is so abrasive IMO. Perhaps she is grandstanding for the SA and Judge but get that woman in front of a jury and they will rip her to shreds. I read somewhere on here that JB would be smart to seat as many middle age men on the jury as possible, but they will be totally turned off by LKB.

Help! I assume LKB refers to Lisa Baden. And she's on the prosecution side?
Is she employed by the state?

Sorry to be dense but I can't get any video, particularly sound.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Hot Dog: Before you jump to the conclusion that the CSI tech missed the hairs, consider this: Lee, JB and another person examined the vehicle, went to lunch came back and examined it again (that is what I understood from court today). do we know if Dr. Lee, JB and the other person were 'suited up' like the techs were when they looked over the car? If they weren't suited up, there is a good possibility those hairs came from them! There is also the possibility the hairs came from other people who perhaps looked at the car AFTER the tech examined it for evidence. If you google the subject, you will find lots of articles about how much we humans 'shed' every day, hair and skin, etc. If I were the State, I would ask for a control sample of hair from Dr. Lee and JB and spend the money to have these compared to the hairs Dr. Lee found. Just the way JB harped on the '17' hairs during the hearing - even after he was told to get back on track - it is obvious he is trying to do exactly what you just did - question the capability of the CSI people. Now, I may be completely wrong, but do consider there might be another explanation then the "CSI People screwed up"

Heartily agree. My first question remains, "Whose hair was found?" That's the jumping off point for me.

If it was Caylee's, Casey's, GA's, CA's etc., then JB will have some foundation for arguing expertise. If not, then we're very curious as to whose it was.

 

[ibyoungr]

Yes, but what kind of hairs? Lions, Tigers and Bears, Oh My. Or human hairs?

Ummm, Squirrel hairs???? LOL .. couldn't resist!!!

 

[ThoughtElf]

If the hairs are not from contamination, would you consider the failure to collect them by OCSO a kind of "screw up"?

Not sure I personally would use the words 'screw up', but I certainly would agree with you entirely that it opens a good door for the defense to pursue in regards to evidence from the car.

 

[Hot Dogs]

You can read about Lee's investigation in this doc beginning on page 3205.

He found a single hair in the trunk of the car. All other hairs (and fibers) were found on evidence that OCSO had already removed from the trunk and processed. During this investigation, Lee signed a crime scene contamination sheet.

 

[MAMABEAR]

IMO, the Baden/Baez defense strategy will be all about attacking the forensic evidence, how it was collected, how it was analyzed, and casting doubt on all the LE professionals involved in this case...today was only a hint of what we can expect to see at trial. Even before little Caylee's memorial service, I remember Linda Baden referring to a National Academy of Sciences study that was about to be published.

Well, it has been published and the defense team quickly referred to it at the time discovery was released by the SA office.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/021809_baez_responds_to_discovery

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126973.500-forensic-evidence-goes-on-trial.html

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12589

Perhaps we should read up on it, because I'm sure this study will contain much of the framework for the defense strategy. It somewhat concerns me because although we have come a long way since the OJ trial, some of this can get very technical -- the prosecution must be careful to translate it clearly for the jury.

BOLDED

If this is the way it's goin to happen:
"today was only a hint of what we can expect to see at trial"---then I won't be watching the trial. Today I was sittin here waitin on somebody to walk over to JB and pop him right in that nose of his. Maybe they will "BOOT" him and there will be another lawyer and we can start over or I can read here.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Further, Lee was not allowed to physically collect any of this evidence himself. He could point it out to OCSO, but only they can actually collect it.

 

[Macushla]

If the hairs are not from contamination, would you consider the failure to collect them by OCSO a kind of "screw up"?

Absolutely! (sorry could not resist that). That is why we need to know exactly when and where the hairs were found, who had access to the car - and was not suited up - just prior or at the same time the hairs were found. I will be the first to admit I am pro LE, DH has been in the LE area for over 35 years. Yes, mistakes are made by CSI people. However, in this case, I want to know the particulars before I decide whether or not a 'screw up' occurred.

 

[reeseeva]

"Persistence beats Resistence"

This is Baez's new mantra, after being asked how he felt about being denied 2 motions in court today.

He is going to spend alot of time trying to fluster the Prosecution, which tells me they have nothing, & the Prosecution should just keep doing their job. This also tells me, his non-stop motions in this case will further delay a trial, & it won't happen this year.