2009.03.14 Geraldo - Dr. Baden, Slip or Not on Chloroform In Caylee's hair test?

[Ripley007]

If they find chloroform in the hair, absorbed in the hair stands, I'd bet it was used to kill Caylee.

Well of course...If I hear proof or eveidence I'll have no choice but to believe too. But for now, I don't. I'm beginning to sound like a broken/skipping record...First degree murder via suffocation. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[ohiogirl]

For what it is worth, I think Baden misspoke. I think he jumbled the facts in his mind, knowing they had found chloroform and hair in the trunk, he just combined those facts when he was thoughtlessly speaking.
My opinion only.

 

[Ripley007]

For what it is worth, I think Baden misspoke. I think he jumbled the facts in his mind, knowing they had found chloroform and hair in the trunk, he just combined those facts when he was thoughtlessly speaking.
My opinion only.

I didn't see the GR show, but from what I've read here, I'm inclined to believe that Baden "misspoke" as well. Maybe Henry L did as well when he told NG he found lots of maggots is KC's trunk. (Shouldn't they have all been removed as eviedence before HL got there?)Scratching my head in utter confussion....

 

[natsound]

For what it is worth, I think Baden misspoke. I think he jumbled the facts in his mind, knowing they had found chloroform and hair in the trunk, he just combined those facts when he was thoughtlessly speaking.
My opinion only.

There's a good chance of that. I've watched it about ten times, and I'm on the fence about it.. can't make heads or tails of it.

 

[Patty G]

I didn't see the GR show, but from what I've read here, I'm inclined to believe that Baden "misspoke" as well. Maybe Henry L did as well when he told NG he found lots of maggots is KC's trunk. (Shouldn't they have all been removed as eviedence before HL got there?)Scratching my head in utter confussion....

Here's the link if you would like to watch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

 

[abbra]

I replayed the tape on you tube over and over and you hit the nail on the head T.

 

[Ripley007]

Here's the link if you would like to watch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

Thank you for the link!

 

[Bobbisangel]

HD, I don't think there is proof that the defense has been given hairs for testing. What many of us are wondering is, if Baden really did slip up and he's aware there is indeed chloroform in Caylee's hair strand(s), does he know this BECAUSE defense found it on their own? Or did the state find it and share it with the defense under cover?

OR, was Baden just being careless in his dialogue, and Hercule suggests?

I wonder if the defense were allowed to have the hair tested by a lab of their choice?

 

[Macushla]

Would this have been added to the death certificate and isn't a death certificate public knowledge. Wouldn't anyone who has whatever ID the county asks for be able to get a copy of the death certificate?

Results of testing are not on a death certificate. Cause of Death with any contributing factors and manner of death. The death certificate does not go into lengthy details. It is a brief summary, that's all.

 

[shgrbkr]

I've always wondered if they found Caylee's little nails.
I do believe that nails can be tested for drugs. I think arsenic being one, but I'm not at all sure about chloroform.

Fingernails are very similar to hair. In fact, they smell almost the same when burned. Yes, they can be tested for drugs, and if I am not mistaken, they grow at about the same rate.

 

[shgrbkr]

HD, I don't think there is proof that the defense has been given hairs for testing. What many of us are wondering is, if Baden really did slip up and he's aware there is indeed chloroform in Caylee's hair strand(s), does he know this BECAUSE defense found it on their own? Or did the state find it and share it with the defense under cover?

OR, was Baden just being careless in his dialogue, and Hercule suggests?

Why, then, would the state not include the hair with the remains when they released the body? My point is this: when the skeletal remains/body was released to the family, the hair was most likely included in that. So it stands to reason that with the Anthony family/defense in control at that point, they would have access to the hair and could test till their little hearts' content. I disagree that the hair would have been kept separate from the skeletal remains. Had the state done that, JB would have raked them over the coals for sure.

 

[LCoastMom]

Something that has always bugged me is HOW could any of the three of them (KC,CA or GA) have cleaned the trunk if LIVE maggots were readily found??? this makes me think the chloroform was from Caylee's death, even though I don't subscribe to that theory.

I thought most of the critters that were found came off of the bag that had been left at the tow yard and brought into evidence by LE straight from there. That 1 pupae we heard about last was said to be found on a piece of paper. If there were anymore in the trunk of the car then that would take care of the car being cleaned, for me.

Searchfortruth

Thank you I had forgotten about Dr G's remark about not releasing any more information. I suppose adding chloroform to the death certificate would be doing just that.

But if Dr B is right, then he just released more info whether it ever ends up on the death certificate or not. I am still not ready to buy into the long term use of chloroform. There would have been physical evidence on Caylee's face from burns that don't match her juice cup. I suppose if KC had just used it for the first time this would greatly increase the odds of making a lethal error.

 

[LCoastMom]

Results of testing are not on a death certificate. Cause of Death with any contributing factors and manner of death. The death certificate does not go into lengthy details. It is a brief summary, that's all.

cause of death is what I was referring too, lethal drug overdose rather than leaving an unknown with manner of death still being murder.

 

[LCoastMom]

I'm not sure what your point is here. I'm begging anyone to provide evidence that the State has given any hairs (from vehicle or body) to the defense for testing.

Why would they not include the hair when the state turned the remains over to the defense and the A's waited more then another month to have any type of service after stating repeatedly they were waiting for the defense to be done with any testing?

The way JB cries no fair every time the state with holds some miscellaneous piece of paper, do you honestly think we would not have heard from him loud and clear if they did not include Caylee's hair with her remains for testing?

Remember way back when there was thought to be only 1 hair showing the death band? Wasn't this a huge spot of contention to JB, who wanted to make sure there was enough of that 1 piece of hair left for him to have a turn too?

 

[natsound]

Another thing we need to keep in mind is that it would not be in the defense's best interest to find chloroform in the baby's hair. UNLESS they're planning to hang this on RM, who had the chloroform picture on his computer. A very weak defense tactic, IMO, especially since KC's trunk tested positive for high levels of the stuff, and the chloroform searches were done on a computer at the A's house.

 

[KenoshaKid]

Another thing we need to keep in mind is that it would not be in the defense's best interest to find chloroform in the baby's hair. UNLESS they're planning to hang this on RM, who had the chloroform picture on his computer. A very weak defense tactic, IMO, especially since KC's trunk tested positive for high levels of the stuff, and the chloroform searches were done on a computer at the A's house.

And didn't Annie ask her why she had a bottle of it in her trunk and KC said she kept the cleaning supplies there? (I believe that was in the latest doc dump, correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[natsound]

And didn't Annie ask her why she had a bottle of it in her trunk and KC said she kept the cleaning supplies there? (I believe that was in the latest doc dump, correct me if I'm wrong)

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4875100/Casey-Anthony-Annie-Downing-supplemental-report

Kenosha, I found what you're referring to at the bottom of page two of the link above. Sounds to me like word had already hit the street, Nancy Grace, etc about high levels of chloroform in KC's trunk. Annie asked her about that and KC said she kept cleaning fluid in the trunk.. no further explanation.

 

[LCoastMom]

And didn't Annie ask her why she had a bottle of it in her trunk and KC said she kept the cleaning supplies there? (I believe that was in the latest doc dump, correct me if I'm wrong)

No need for a correction that's what KC said.

The FBI reports would tear this apart. No one cleans with pure chloroform, if it were in a cleaning formula it would have other elements mixed in it too.

Just carrying chloroform is against the law for private use, it was out lawed before KC was born! So she just happened to have an illegal substance that has not been legally available in over 20 years in the back of her car along with her baby's decomposing body.

Yeah, not buying it and I think it was wise of Annie to let the subject drop.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Dr. Baden on Geraldo mentioning Cholorform in Caylee's Hair ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

I sent the link to Eyes for Lies to see if she thinks Baden was speaking hypothetically or if he truly slipped up.

I feel sure he realized what he said when it was too late to take it back. He did what any good expert would have done...keep talking and act like it was nothing important, IMO.

Susan

 

[MD MOMMY]

I sent the link to Eyes for Lies to see if she thinks Baden was speaking hypothetically or if he truly slipped up.

I feel sure he realized what he said when it was too late to take it back. He did what any good expert would have done...keep talking and act like it was nothing important, IMO.

Susan

I've never heard of Eyes For Lies...interesting. Let us know what she says.