2009.03.24 Nancy Grace

[Searchfortruth]

I have to agree with you, Searchfortruth. I was in college in the '80s, okay I am a bit old, but there were only one or two people who got carried away and explicit in public at frat parties for example. Back then it was still pretty embarrassing for a girl who got drunk enough and went too far in public at a party. I never saw it first hand but remember it happened here or there and I felt bad for the girls when it happened (i.e. to sorority sisters or other girls I knew, or any girl.) They were normal, nice people and everythign of course and just had too much to drink.

But there is another economic strata where many young women simply do this as a means of employment, party entertainment, in various forms. Sometimes it's to make money for school, or sometimes it's to support themselves. It's always been around but now it's much more mainstream and public than it was in my time.

Of course the Florida universities are very well known as the #1 party schools in the U.S., there is very much this atmosphere in Florida among a large number of young people. The Florida climate also makes lots of street parties and stuff possible, wherever there are clubs, the streets are full of young people cruising from one club to the next. These areas are full of strip bars, restaurants, and tattoo places, and a whole lot of young people go to all of them. In Orlando, you have the added influence of the tourism. It's literally one of the playgrounds of the world.

When I see the party photos I have to admit I'm not that shocked, because these young people were just born in the '80s, they actually grew up in the 90's with "reality" TV and everything else going on, totally open sexuality to a degree we didn't even consider, practically sex in public, going on right on TV, you know? It's a different world for this generation. Not all young people but a lot of them, I think especially in some geographical regions. Casey's crowd were right at the age for this kind of thing, I imagine most of them will outgrow it Not only the sexuality but the drug use is way more than in our time. Guys and girls just knocking themselves out at parties doing inhalants, etc, really crazy stuff, as in the pictures from the Mike L guy's entertainment venue, what was it called, 16 Acres?

Yes, I have read in the history books about how crazy it was back in the 80's...just kidding, I am from the same time frame. I guess FL is a bit wilder than most places, I remember we went down for Spring Break a couple of times, Daytona Beach, and it got crazy...just not quite this crazy. I am in hopes that this kind of behavior doesn't happen too often. Another thing is Casey was a young mother at this point ? Just hard to imagine.

 

[Ada]

I was in college in the 90s. Yea we partied like that. No we weren't auditioning for anything or getting paid. We also didn't have children.

 

[cyberborg]

I have to agree with you, Searchfortruth. I was in college in the '80s, okay I am a bit old, but there were only one or two people who got carried away and explicit in public at frat parties for example. Back then it was still pretty embarrassing for a girl who got drunk enough and went too far in public at a party. I never saw it first hand but remember it happened here or there and I felt bad for the girls when it happened (i.e. to sorority sisters or other girls I knew, or any girl.)

But for many girls with no financial means, in areas where a large "male entertainment" industry exists, many young women will simply do stripping or even tamer lingerie modeling, erotic modeling, etc (often fully clothed, just suggestive poses), as a means of employment. Sometimes it's to make money for school, or sometimes it's to support themselves. It's always been around but now it's much more mainstream and public than it was in my time.

Of course the Florida universities are very well known as the #1 party schools in the U.S., there is very much a partying scene in Florida among a large number of young people. The Florida climate also makes lots of street parties and stuff possible, wherever there are clubs, the streets are full of young people cruising from one club to the next. These areas are full of strip bars, restaurants, and tattoo places, and a whole lot of young people go to all of them. In Orlando, you have the added influence of the tourism. It's literally one of the playgrounds of the world.

When I see the party photos I have to admit I'm not that shocked, having lived in Tampa, and because these young people were just born in the '80s, they actually grew up in the 90's with "reality" TV and everything else going on, totally open sexuality to a degree we didn't even consider, practically sex in public, going on right on TV, you know? It's a different world for this generation. Not all young people but a lot of them, I think especially in some geographical regions. Casey's crowd were right at the age for this kind of thing, I imagine most of them will outgrow it Not only the sexuality but the drug use seems to be a bit more reckless than in our time. Guys and girls just knocking themselves out at parties doing inhalants, etc, kind of the rave kind of culture, as in the pictures from the Mike L guy's entertainment venue, what was it called, 16 Acres?

Hmmmm? And this excuses KC how? KC was a Mother with a daughter, Caylee she had responsibilities and ---- where was Caylee?

I think you just painted a good picture of where KC's head was really at, in college and at frat booze parties which goes to character and, I don't think it was a good thing that/if KC was being paid for this either. My .2c

Mother of the Year whose primary concern was Caylee versus frat party or working girl.... hmmm?

 

[Mom4life]

It could be possible that the Secret Service would be for the forged checks at the bank and Target. Banks would fall under Federal investigations and AH was pressing charges IIRC.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I was in college in the 90s. Yea we partied like that. No we weren't auditioning for anything or getting paid. We also didn't have children.

LOL I didn't graduate High school until 91' and I partied like this in High school. I swear, it isn't all that abnormal.

 

[Capri]

I definitely don't think they were paid to do this or that it was some kind of "job." KC was the only attractive one and I HIGHLY doubt guys would have paid to see the other 2 girls strip or give them lapdances (especially the one in the black outfit). This girl was really overweight and not what I'd expect a paid "lingerie model" to look like. I think they pre-gamed somewhere else, got wasted, and crashed the apartment or party of some guys they knew who weren't nearly as drunk. They decided to use it to their advantage and capture it all on camera, either for their own gain or to show the girls when they sobered up (as in "Oh my God look what you guys were doing the other night when you were wasted!").

I tried to say that but couldn't get it in the right words....But yea what you said

 

[panthera]

It could be possible that the Secret Service would be for the forged checks at the bank and Target. Banks would fall under Federal investigations and AH was pressing charges IIRC.

I thought they were going to try her separately for the economic crimes, or did the state decide to combine them in with the murder trial?

 

[cyberborg]

I thought they were going to try her separately for the economic crimes, or did the state decide to combine them in with the murder trial?

Separate still.

 

[Sdavidson11]

Would the Secret Service be investigating if there was banking fraud by Casey, credit card fraud by Casey or GA, and would they also be checking out GA's story that he gave to LE about the Nigerian email scam where he lost a lot of money? Would they also check to see if GA was internet gambling on offshore (outside of the U.S.) websites?

I just had a thought. I live in FL and have gotten many counterfeit $10 bills as change from fast food place, Publix, and even at the kids high school. Since KC is a computer person and hasn't had a job in years, could she have been making funny money to help supplement her thefts? Could they trace that on her computer? Who would ever think that the FBI would have access to your computer.

 

[seagull65]

I was in college in the 90s. Yea we partied like that. No we weren't auditioning for anything or getting paid. We also didn't have children.

Some of the pictures we were talking about I still say look totally like working fun, not just fun fun (the "cards" costume photo shoot thing, those were the ones I was commenting on that NG aired tonight thinking they were a "bombshell".) Now some of the pictures are just partying. Casey is definitely not the only one doing it, nor is she the wildest. In the Fusian pictures, she looks about the tamest.

 

[Lanie]

IMO, this is a Halloween party.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2008/09/casey-anthony-never-ending-story.html

Follow the link. There are 5 pics from this party. The first one shows Casey at a front door with a Halloween sign on it. One shows a guy in a possible pirate costume, and a guy in some kind of sports jersey.
Lanie

 

[panthera]

Separate still.

That's what I thought! thanks!


Have a good night everyone :seeya:

 

[seagull65]

I definitely don't think they were paid to do this or that it was some kind of "job." KC was the only attractive one and I HIGHLY doubt guys would have paid to see the other 2 girls strip or give them lapdances (especially the one in the black outfit). This girl was really overweight and not what I'd expect a paid "lingerie model" to look like. I think they pre-gamed somewhere else, got wasted, and crashed the apartment or party of some guys they knew who weren't nearly as drunk. They decided to use it to their advantage and capture it all on camera, either for their own gain or to show the girls when they sobered up (as in "Oh my God look what you guys were doing the other night when you were wasted!").

Did you see the pictures where you could see how the lights were all set up and everything, the girls off the side hall there being photographed? Seems like it was more like a photo shoot, not just casual pictures, if I recall correctly, though it's been months since I looked at them. If somebody has them maybe they could post them here. I don't believe NG showed those particular ones, while I was watching they were only showing closeups of Casey, not the other 10 girls or whatever, and saying that Casey was randomly making out with one of her girlfriends at a party. You know, she kissed a girl, she wore a little cocktail costume, she chewed with her mouth open on her 21st birthday, she must be a murderer....etc.

I want to see the pictures again now because at the time we were looking at them back then it was still the early months of the case, but I remember the discussions at the time and I know I wasn't the only one with the impression that the "cards costume" party was possibly some kind of audition or working party. Maybe the "not exactly fun, not exactly work" KC and Lee referred to in their conversations.

 

[FORDANIEL]

I hate to beat a dead horse,but I do not think these pics are of any value,UNLESS someone that was there testifies to the fact that Caylee was there,or perhaps in Caseys trunk,otherwise they mean nothing,there were a lot of people at the party,some may have had children as well,and while some people may be offended by them,I am not,and I am older than dirt!

 

[Lanie]

Did you see the pictures where you could see how the lights were all set up and everything, the girls off the side hall there being photographed? Seems like it was more like a photo shoot, not just casual pictures, if I recall correctly, though it's been months since I looked at them. If somebody has them maybe they could post them here. I don't believe NG showed those particular ones, while I was watching they were only showing closeups of Casey, not the other 10 girls or whatever, and saying that Casey was randomly making out with one of her girlfriends at a party. You know, she kissed a girl, she wore a little cocktail costume, she chewed with her mouth open on her 21st birthday, she must be a murderer....etc.

I want to see the pictures again now because at the time we were looking at them back then it was still the early months of the case, but I remember the discussions at the time and I know I wasn't the only one with the impression that the "cards costume" party was possibly some kind of audition or working party. Maybe the "not exactly fun, not exactly work" KC and Lee referred to in their conversations.

Bolded by me.

JMO, but I think it is more like, Caylee had not been seen since June 15/16, Casey lied about where she was, decomp relating to Caylee was found in Casey's car trunk.....etc.
Lanie

 

[Pondering Mind]

Some of the pictures we were talking about I still say look totally like working fun, not just fun fun (the "cards" costume photo shoot thing, those were the ones I was commenting on that NG aired tonight thinking they were a "bombshell".) Now some of the pictures are just partying. Casey is definitely not the only one doing it, nor is she the wildest. In the Fusian pictures, she looks about the tamest.

Concerning the Fusian pics...she may not be the only one doing it and she may not be the wildest, but as far as I know...she is the ONLY one that had a child 'missing' at the time, no?

 

[Pondering Mind]

Did you see the pictures where you could see how the lights were all set up and everything, the girls off the side hall there being photographed? Seems like it was more like a photo shoot, not just casual pictures, if I recall correctly, though it's been months since I looked at them. If somebody has them maybe they could post them here. I don't believe NG showed those particular ones, while I was watching they were only showing closeups of Casey, not the other 10 girls or whatever, and saying that Casey was randomly making out with one of her girlfriends at a party. You know, she kissed a girl, she wore a little cocktail costume, she chewed with her mouth open on her 21st birthday, she must be a murderer....etc.

I want to see the pictures again now because at the time we were looking at them back then it was still the early months of the case, but I remember the discussions at the time and I know I wasn't the only one with the impression that the "cards costume" party was possibly some kind of audition or working party. Maybe the "not exactly fun, not exactly work" KC and Lee referred to in their conversations.

seagull, do you know where I can find the pics of girls lined up in the hall you're describing? I had seen some of the 'card costume' pics long ago, but must have missed some! TIA!

 

[Issi]

I know that it keeps coming up that KC was possibly involved in some kind of sex trade type of employment, but wouldn't more evidence have shown up than a few questionable pictures thus far?

Wife and I were talking about this earlier tonight. She's convinced KC was hooking... or some similar activity.

Wouldn't such evidence have reared it's head so far? These pictures could suggest that kind of activity... but I kinda doubt it. jmo...

Naturually... no "Johns" are gonna come forward for fear of prosecution... but wouldn't someone outside that bubble have knowledge of such a thing?

Here at home, we were talking... we asked "What about videos?" Like ... If that were the case, I'm sure someone would have found it by now, and it would be well publicized. Lol.. that would be NG's "Bombshell" if ever there was one.

Oh jeez... I'm way off track as always... Yeah, the pics are damaging, but I swear that I don't want to see them all over the TV for the next month... We already know she's a drunken sl*t... I don't think that dead horse can be beaten any more than it has.

I'm more concerned about proving reasonable doubt and putting this puppy to bed and let there be justice for this child.


Sincerely,

Iss

 

[cyberborg]

Some of the pictures we were talking about I still say look totally like working fun, not just fun fun (the "cards" costume photo shoot thing, those were the ones I was commenting on that NG aired tonight thinking they were a "bombshell".) Now some of the pictures are just partying. Casey is definitely not the only one doing it, nor is she the wildest. In the Fusian pictures, she looks about the tamest.

From the source Radar Online that got these photos from the original photographer at the party......

".... Now, these new photos show her out of control, the shocking life-of-the-party, engaging in some passionate kissing with a girlfriend.

At a Halloween bash in Orlando, Casey, dressed as a sexy casino waitress, is shown making out with a woman decked out in an umpire’s outfit."

 

[Leila]

Exactly! And if Casey didn't want to give Caylee up for adoption, she should have put her as a first priority, and what I'm thinking is what if Caylee had lived, gotten older, and seen these photos? Sorry, but it's just my opinion that what she was doing was wrong. There's a big difference between what was going on at this 'party' and just going out occasionally for 'normal' fun, like a movie or dinner. MOO

I feel the same way..........this goes way beyond an occasional night out for a movie, dinner, or a social event. A young mother with a child usually has a different social life, involving other mothers with children, but Casey's social circle didn't seem to include other young mothers.