2009.06.16 George and Cindy on CBS Early show

[Gma Kat]

I agree. We don´t know it all.

I am curious. I don´t know if this is the right thread to post this question, but why is it that many tend to think that poor little Caylee died on June 15?
I am new to the case - I mean, really new since I don´t live in USA and only just recently learned about it. So bear with me.

Welcome Sata! I think many of us feel GA is being untruthful about his seeing KC and Caylee on the 16th. It flies in the face of the drama that took place the day and night before that they are already denying occurred at all. It's sort of like if you know they lied about one thing you kinda don't believe anything....and they have lied about so much. I personally believe it was the 15th only because I think after Ca and KC's fight (which involved CA choking KC supposedly) that in revenge KC murdered Caylee in the heat of the moment. There is information that Caylee may not have been the only intended victim of KC if reports are correct.

 

[okiedokietoo]

:behindbarCindy is such a piece of work...she sits there and states that when you have a missing child you take all the help you can get. Well, I recall she only wanted people that would look for a live Caylee to help. She treated TES like dirt and still I have not heard that this family has donated back to TES after they spend nearly $100,000 searching for Caylee.

Thought this was worth another post

 

[Gma Kat]

Thought this was worth another post

And not a single THANK YOU TES and everyone else who came out to search for our precious granddaughter even when we told you we didn't want you unless you were looking for a live Caylee......not a single THANK YOU for all the money that has been donated to the CMA Foundation, not a single THANK YOU for all the money people have sent KC in jail, not a single THANK YOU to the media for keeping Caylee in the public eye, not a single THANK YOU.

I wanted to retch when CA stated that she was on the phone with the national media when she should have been "taking care of herself" on the day of Caylee's memorial.

Somehow I think the national media would have discovered the Cummings without CA. Afterall, her calling the media did NOTHING to help find Haleigh, did it?

 

[Patty G]

I agree. We don´t know it all.

I am curious. I don´t know if this is the right thread to post this question, but why is it that many tend to think that poor little Caylee died on June 15?
I am new to the case - I mean, really new since I don´t live in USA and only just recently learned about it. So bear with me.

There is a lot of thread and information regarding when people think Caylee died. Here is one thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84631&highlight=June


And here is some reference threads to see what has been happening to compile info.


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Case Calendar and Timeline
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Theories
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Very good place to start:
All Show Videos and Transcripts Regarding The Case Back To July 2008
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[cecybeans]

Does anybody know whether they filed for non-profit incorporation?

According to their website, they claim to be a registered 501c3 non-profit organization. IIRC NLHF also claimed that on their website (before it disappeared). I could not find the foundation listed on several websites, including an IRS search site, but that may not mean much.

I had originally assumed they might have set this up as a family foundation or other type of organization that can largely be seen as a tax-exempt way to handle wealth (most have rules that require the foundation spend at least 5% of its revenue on charitable causes and can support family members with salaries. It's one of the wonderful ways the very wealthy can maximize tax laws and protect their family income, although they are considered very helpful and important with the field of other non-profits who rely on a variety of legacy arrangements for donations. Generally you need a couple of million to start one of them.)

However, in perusing the latest info on the IRS site in terms of 501c3 tax exempt charities, I ran across the following:

Elimination of the Advance Ruling Process


On September 9, 2008, the IRS issued temporary Income Tax Regulations, which eliminate the advance ruling process for a section 501(c)(3) organization. Under the new regulations, a new 501(c)(3) organization will be classified as a publicly supported charity, and not a private foundation, if it can show that it reasonably can be expected to be publicly supported when it applies for tax-exempt status.

Under the old regulations, an organization that wanted to be recognized by the IRS as a publicly supported charity instead of a private foundation had to go through an extended two-step process. First, the organization had to declare that it expected to be publicly supported on an on-going basis. Then, after five years, it had to file Form 8734, Support Schedule for Advance Ruling Period, showing the IRS that it actually met the public support test. If it didn't meet the test, it was designated a tax-exempt private foundation and would be subject to stricter rules.

The new rules no longer require the organization to file Form 8734 after completing its first five tax years. Moreover, the organization retains its public charity status for its first five years regardless of the public support actually received during that time. Instead, beginning with the organization's sixth taxable year, it must establish that it meets the public support test by showing that it is publicly supported on its Schedule A to Form 990, Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax. Transition rules apply to organizations that have previously received advance rulings.


http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html

Since this is a fairly recently formed foundation, it appears that they may have quite a bit of leeway time in conforming to the criteria most of us would normally feel constitute a "legitimate" charity.

Given the past actions of the Anthonys (and most certainly the company they keep), I would think this is something we should all keep our eyes peeled on. IIRC, all 501c3 orgs have to file a form 990 annually with the IRS and most of them have to either publish them or make them available to the general public. Going forward, I'm hoping that folks here will make sure this family is pressured to conform to all rules and regulations that apply to their organization and that we hold them to the standards they are claiming to represent.

 

[SATA]

Thanks to Gma Kat and Patty G.

The links are very useful.

I´m afraid I am getting obsessed by this case! :waitasec:

 

[JBean]

According to their website, they claim to be a registered 501c3 non-profit organization. IIRC NLHF also claimed that on their website (before it disappeared). I could not find the foundation listed on several websites, including an IRS search site, but that may not mean much.

I had originally assumed they might have set this up as a family foundation or other type of organization that can largely be seen as a tax-exempt way to handle wealth (most have rules that require the foundation spend at least 5% of its revenue on charitable causes and can support family members with salaries. It's one of the wonderful ways the very wealthy can maximize tax laws and protect their family income, although they are considered very helpful and important with the field of other non-profits who rely on a variety of legacy arrangements for donations. Generally you need a couple of million to start one of them.)

However, in perusing the latest info on the IRS site in terms of 501c3 tax exempt charities, I ran across the following:

Elimination of the Advance Ruling Process
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..thanks CecyB. Lots of good information,sleuthing and discussion on this thread too:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82363&highlight=foundation

 

[cecybeans]

..thanks CecyB. Lots of good information,sleuthing and discussion on this thread too:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82363&highlight=foundation

My pleasure - I have worked in the non-profit field and the variations and permutations of how people can set up these organizations to manage their own money or to benefit others (in trusts, foundations, bequeathments or a myriad of other ways) is so complicated it is usually handled by experts who have big-time experience in investing, legal and/or other financial fields. I am pretty much clueless about a lot of specifics, but there may be others here who can contribute in much more detail.

BTW, I just posted this so I could say that, once again, your avatar pic just cracks me up; I love the new one!

 

[JBean]

My pleasure - I have worked in the non-profit field and the variations and permutations of how people can set up these organizations to manage their own money or to benefit others (in trusts, foundations, bequeathments or a myriad of other ways) is so complicated it is usually handled by experts who have big-time experience in investing, legal and/or other financial fields. I am pretty much clueless about a lot of specifics, but there may be others here who can contribute in much more detail.

BTW, I just posted this so I could say that, once again, your avatar pic just cracks me up; I love the new one!

hahaha thanks.

Anyway, if you haven't posted on that thread, they would welcome your input I am sure.

okay we better get back on topic. I am getting really bad about that lately :innocent:

 

[cyberborg]

Actually the attorney threw out a question to Cindy to find out about what happened the morning of June 16th.

The attorney led off by asking: "George is the one, I think, who fed Caylee breakfast in the morning" and Cindy responded "she didn't know who fed Caylee breakfast that morning." The key here for fishing is "I think".

The attorney did this because there was never any mention anywhere about the morning of June 16th regarding Caylee waking up, having breakfast, getting dressed etc., etc. The attorney wanted to get that question and answer on record.

It was an awesome move by the attorney in April 2009 because now, based on the CBS Early Show interview out comes George saying: "he had breakfast with Caylee the morning of June 16th and put her in the car."

IMO, once the Anthony's reviewed the questions asked to them at the depo, and the LE interviews, somehow they had to get out "who fed Caylee that morning" and they managed to do this on the Early Show.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Very perceptive analysis.

 

[Brini]

Thanks to Gma Kat and Patty G.

The links are very useful.

I´m afraid I am getting obsessed by this case! :waitasec:

Let us know when:

1) Your husband and kids put your picture on a milk carton.

2) Your husband and kids tiptoe around the house when NG comes on.

3) You suddenly remember that you haven't eaten in two days, and you look down to see peanut butter cracker wrappers around your computer.

 

[Intermezzo]

I think it's very likely that KC believes that JB is going to "get her out of this mess", and she'll soon walk out of jail free and clear. IMO, JB hasn't been honest with his client by appraising her of all her legal avenues. She should be advised of what her options are, and that if she's guilty, a plea is one option. But, then JB wouldn't get to be the defense attorney in a murder trial that will be highly publicised and thus make him famous. A plea wouldn't be good for JB's career.

KC's parents doing media interviews in which they promote KC's innocence and that someone else murdered Caylee only enforces KC's belief she's going to walk free. Although this last media interview on the Early Show, GA and CA didn't mention KC's innocence this time.

BBM
Leila, I agree with your opinion.
Casey herself has stated(paraphrasing) she will take it as far as she can, I want to see Casey stand trial and be confronted with the horrible reality of what, I believe, she did to her young daughter.
That's my :twocents:

 

[NORCALGRL]

I haven't read the entire thread, so this may have been mentioned already... But, I find it amusing that during the depo GA freaked out about being asked about the last time he saw Caylee, and told JM to never ask about that again. However, during this interview he is able to discuss it and even bring up new memories about breakfast. I just can't feel real bad for them when they do stuff like this.

 

[Patty G]

hahaha thanks.

Anyway, if you haven't posted on that thread, they would welcome your input I am sure.

okay we better get back on topic. I am getting really bad about that lately :innocent:

fftopic: I just couldn't resist!

 

[Patty G]

I am wondering if this little tid bit regarding who fed Caylee breakfast the morning of June 16 was something GA may have disclosed to the Grand Jury and perhaps that it why we have not heard any of this information previously? :waitasec: Although we will likely never know exactly what was said behind closed doors prior to KC's indictment for murder following GA's testimony, surely he would have been questioned regarding the specifics of that morning. Grand Jurors are allowed to ask whatever questions they want of a witness and I am certain this would have been information they wanted clarified if the prosecution had not already covered this prior to handing down the indictment.

IMO, I don't think the Grand Jury ever asked the question about the morning of June 16th otherwise something would have come out during LKL show in December, or the first CBS Morning Show April 22 & 23rd. This is why I felt they needed to get it out during the June 16th Early Show.

When Cindy said: "she didn't know who fed Caylee breakfast", it was clear something was wrong with that statement. If anything, based on June 16th, one of the questions Cindy would have asked George was "who fed Caylee breakfast on June 16th. So this way when Morgan and Morgan asked the question, Cindy could have said: "I don't know who fed Caylee breakfast but I asked George and he said he fed Caylee."

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I think many of us feel GA is being untruthful about his seeing KC and Caylee on the 16th. It flies in the face of the drama that took place the day and night before that they are already denying occurred at all. It's sort of like if you know they lied about one thing you kinda don't believe anything....and they have lied about so much. I personally believe it was the 15th only because I think after Ca and KC's fight (which involved CA choking KC supposedly) that in revenge KC murdered Caylee in the heat of the moment. There is information that Caylee may not have been the only intended victim of KC if reports are correct.

:waitasec:What if Cindy really didn't choke Casey? What if Casey lied and said Cindy choked her when in all reality she was the one to choke Caylee on June 15? I am sure Cindy and Casey had a fight if the neighbors heard it...but what if the rage escalated and that is when Caylee died by Casey choking her? Just a thought... sorry to go off topic.

 

[Patty G]

I haven't read the entire thread, so this may have been mentioned already... But, I find it amusing that during the depo GA freaked out about being asked about the last time he saw Caylee, and told JM to never ask about that again. However, during this interview he is able to discuss it and even bring up new memories about breakfast. I just can't feel real bad for them when they do stuff like this.

George was able to discuss it calmly also during the 4/22 & 4/23 CBS Early Show too only 13 days later. :waitasec:

 

[essies]

I haven't read the entire thread, so this may have been mentioned already... But, I find it amusing that during the depo GA freaked out about being asked about the last time he saw Caylee, and told JM to never ask about that again. However, during this interview he is able to discuss it and even bring up new memories about breakfast. I just can't feel real bad for them when they do stuff like this.

George knew he was under oath and that JM was looking for inconsistencies-that got him rattled! Whole different scenario on CBS-I'm sure they had a pre-interview session before going on the air. Nothing to worry about there!

 

[metalcrystal]

I think we have all seen that the entire family has an anger management problem. Both GA and CA lost control of their rage at the depos. EVERYTHING JM said pissed them off to no end. They railed against everything they were asked.

 

[Theonly1]

IMO, I don't think the Grand Jury ever asked the question about the morning of June 16th otherwise something would have come out during LKL show in December, or the first CBS Morning Show April 22 & 23rd. This is why I felt they needed to get it out during the June 16th Early Show.

When Cindy said: "she didn't know who fed Caylee breakfast", it was clear something was wrong with that statement. If anything, based on June 16th, one of the questions Cindy would have asked George was "who fed Caylee breakfast on June 16th. So this way when Morgan and Morgan asked the question, Cindy could have said: "I don't know who fed Caylee breakfast but I asked George and he said he fed Caylee."

It is totally ridiculous. She will listen to and be able to recount in extreme detail Casey's outlandish and insane Zanny the Nanny stories about Tampa car accidents, injuries and insurance papers but does not query her own husband about what Caylee ate for breakfast or who fed her on the last day she was seen alive? Are you kidding me?