2009.08.21 Motions hearing #2

[Kreeblim]

I was reminded of Ann Rule saying Ted Bundy was such a gentleman to her. Of course, Ann Rule knew he had that nasty little habit of slaughtering young women . . .

Blaise

Didn't his Judge also tell Bundy that he'd have loved to have him as a lawyer in his court if only he had chosen another path? You gotta be good to charm the judge at your own serial murder trial...especially as a guy with a straight guy judge. Scary.

 

[Just Jayla]

I wrote this over at KW thread, but thought I would ask here as well-

Today at KC's hearing, defense pronounced (basically) that Caylee's body wasn't in the woods until after KC went to jail.....What can the info Keith W. provided bear on this? has the defense spoken to KW and are they going to try to use him to boost this theory?

See page 5647:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342403/detail.html

 

[mysteriew]

Hey all, I missed some of the conversation that took place here tonight. But I want to point something out that I think might be related to some of the conversations here.

If you are going to be going to court and testifying about negative behavior or conversations with someone, you don't want to be found beforehand going online saying things like "I think so and so is a and a and would do .) If you are going to court and going to be testifying, it is very possible that a defense attorney is going to look online about what you may have said online. And if you have posted a lot of very negative things about the person you are testifying about, they may be able to show a bias against that person. And it could affect how your testimony is looked at. So asking someone's opinions about the person they might be testifying about is really not fair. This person has to be really careful what he is posting on an open blog.

Also, there are probably things that he has been asked not to discuss publicly until after the trial. Both the prosecution and the defense sometimes does this. Our person seems very conscientious and trying to do the right thing and may be feeling kinda put on the spot when pushed about some questions.

 

[DotsEyes]

The prosecution is very aware of the phony documents.

Well, Baez was asked to produce the original and said he would produce it to the judge in camera. If he can't produce the original he can produce a True Copy. I can not entertain the idea that Baez fabricated evidence so easily disputed; don't you have an duplicate original or true copy of what you signed?

 

[Lexington]

GA made silly little faces in an attempt to belittle LDB's questions of him. Evading answers to simple questions like "Did you meet with Padilla and team in a warehouse to discuss the terms of bonding KC out?" "No" "You didn't meet with Padilla prior to KC being bonded out?" "Not in a warehouse." GA says it with a smirk as if he just one up'd the state. He even pulled out the "I don't see the relevancy of that." when he didn't want to answer a particular question. If he's ever in a situation in the courtroom where an attorney wants to bring the worst out in him, it won't be hard to do. He's seething with anger towards the state.

I agree with you that his buttons can be easily pushed by anyone who wants to get a rise out of him. Pulling the relevancy card today was just so unnecessary and accomplished nothing, he had to answer the question anyway. I wonder how he comported himself before the grand jury. I really can't see him acting any differently than he did at the deposition or today. I can see that he will not fare well at trial. I wouldn't be surprised if he really became unhinged and got himself a contempt of court charge. He is so close to a major explosion that it is scary.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I did not care for LP from the beginning and said so. I did not feel that Casey should have been out of jail at all. LP bonded her out of jail and an even bigger circus began. That was when Caylee was pushed to the back burner, IMO. And I mean the back burner because it became more about Casey and the A's in the media rather than little Caylee who was lying out there dead so close to the Anthony home.

And the A's? I would be banned for life if I were to state what I really thought of them.

JMO, MOO

 

[magic-cat]

Wasn't he just there for about 10 days?

I think LP and co. were there for nine days.

I see where you're coming from, but my point was just that it's not like the guy was gushing on and on about them from out of the blue...he was put in a defensive position.

Trying to understand others when coming from the outside is very difficult. I have had a falling out with a friend as a group, and then run into the person we had the falling out with, and then slowly gotten to know the person again. Maybe they changed, maybe I did, maybe we just moved past the issue...HOWEVER, it never fails that someone who has not been around this gradual interaction will be all "How can you POSSIBLY be friends with HER? Don't you remember XYZ?" Of course I do, but when it comes down to it, nobody is perfect, and each person's threshhold of what violates their trust enough to overwhelm the good they see in the other is different...and those of us on the outside can be mystified all we want. Would I be the same way in his position? Prolly not, but I still don't see anything fishy about how he feels...and I wasn't there for any of their interaction so I have no idea how he came to his position.

Like Stitch (from Lilo and Stitch) the Anthonys "badness level" is off the charts high...nobody is perfect but there are many people who come much closer than them...

 

[Reagan]

I was reminded of Ann Rule saying Ted Bundy was such a gentleman to her. Of course, Ann Rule knew he had that nasty little habit of slaughtering young women . . .

Blaise

O/T
Very good friend of mine.. her aunt did "date/socialize" with Ted Bundy. She was the lucky ones who got away.

 

[Lexington]

I did not care for LP from the beginning and said so. I did not feel that Casey should have been out of jail at all. LP bonded her out of jail and an even bigger circus began. That was when Caylee was pushed to the back burner, IMO. And I mean the back burner because it became more about Casey and the A's in the media rather than little Caylee who was lying out there dead so close to the Anthony home.

And the A's? I would be banned for life if I were to state what I really thought of them.

JMO, MOO

:clap::clap: My feelings exactly. I just had to repeat it.

 

[magic-cat]

I agree with you that his buttons can be easily pushed by anyone who wants to get a rise out of him. Pulling the relevancy card today was just so unnecessary and accomplished nothing, he had to answer the question anyway. I wonder how he comported himself before the grand jury. I really can't see him acting any differently than he did at the deposition or today. I can see that he will not fare well at trial. I wouldn't be surprised if he really became unhinged and got himself a contempt of court charge. He is so close to a major explosion that it is scary.

I wonder when ANY Anthony will come to realize that it is not THEM who decides what is relevant and what is not? That is for the attorneys and the judge to hash out...the witnesses do not have a say in what is relevant. Ridiculous!

 

[mysteriew]

O/T
Very good friend of mine.. her aunt did "date/socialize" with Ted Bundy. She was the lucky ones who got away.

Someday I would love to hear about that.

 

[magic-cat]

Well, Baez was asked to produce the original and said he would produce it to the judge in camera. If he can't produce the original he can produce a True Copy. I can not entertain the idea that Baez fabricated evidence so easily disputed; don't you have an duplicate original or true copy of what you signed?

Not quite so easily disputed when he KNOWS that Tony did not get a copy of the document. That leaves him some wiggle room to play around, and knowing his character? He is going to wiggle around like there is no tomorrow!:furious:

 

[DotsEyes]

I just feel that Leonard's role changed from finding Caylee to getting as much air time as possible on TV.

Don't you think that happened when he realized that KC really wasn't going to make any effort to find her child, wasn't going to confide in him about the "bad guys" who took the baby so he could hunt them down, had a "mean little mind" and experienced an epiphany; Caylee was dead, her mother killed her and she played him for $50K?

 

[mitzi]

Here is TM on TRUTV . Brace yourself-here's what the defense is cooking!!
YouTube - InSession 8/21/09 Casey Anthony Hearing Part 6

I am still catching up here, but OMG!!! If T. Macaluso goes on any more shows and spouts his out-and-out blatant LIES, I am going to have to up my blood pressure meds! :furious: I have to say, I really hate him. Not only is he a liar, but from prior appearances, he has shown himself to be an arrogant fool! And please tell me...was Jamie a former defense attorney?...because she fits right in.

 

[Reagan]

Someday I would love to hear about that.

Wish I had more information to give.. but at the time I found out I was only about 16 (I'm 26 now) and never thought to inquire further... Just that the family member dated Ted Bundy for a short time and was the woman who technically got away. I know it for a fact, as I have met and confirmed these people, but that's about all the information I have. Nothing special. My apologies :hug:
O/T and I'm sorry that's all the info I've recieved. Wish I had more...

 

[mysteriew]

Not quite so easily disputed when he KNOWS that Tony did not get a copy of the document. That leaves him some wiggle room to play around, and knowing his character? He is going to wiggle around like there is no tomorrow!:furious:

Actually I am kinda giving JB a little leeway on this one. I am thinking it wasn't actually a intentional action, but maybe bad lawyering- that could be criminal or not ethical at least.

According to Tony P. the day they signed the agreements there was a lot going on and LP and TP were concerned about a possible arrest. It sounds like it may have been pretty rushed that day. So JB very well may not remember what he had them sign, only that he had them to sign.

However, he went to court without copies of what he had them sign. And he should have known that the issue was going to come up.... because was the one who brought up the issue. And to make matters worse, he then presented allegedly bad info to the court about what they signed as fact when it may be incorrect.

 

[Lexington]

Don't you think that happened when he realized that KC really wasn't going to make any effort to find her child, wasn't going to confide in him about the "bad guys" who took the baby so he could hunt them down, had a "mean little mind" and experienced an epiphany; Caylee was dead, her mother killed her and she played him for $50K?

I don't believe for one moment that LP thought that KC was going to assist him in finding Caylee. I'm sure he knew that Caylee was dead before he hatched his scheme to bail her out and place himself in the middle of the media frenzy connected with the case. He saw a prime opportunity to create a lot of attention for himself and took full advantage of it. MOO

 

[DotsEyes]

The house behind the Anthony's was vacant. We were granted permission to monitor that area. Nobody was living there just monitoring. The Anthony's have always been very nice to me Rob and Tracy. We still talk occassionally. There is some bad blood between them and Leonard because of not only what Leonard has done but some things that have been said between them. That memorial Leonard had was a joke!!! These conversations will come out in time.

There is no house behind the Anthony home, it is all vacant land.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Well, I can't explain that, because I've ripped into my family too, on these threads.

I didn't post anything I haven't said to their faces.

Neither did Tony.

For some of us, it's a safe place to blow off steam.

Right but we are anonymous strangers, we don't include our last names (or the last names of our family members) in our discussions.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't believe for one moment that LP thought that KC was going to assist him in finding Caylee. I'm sure he knew that Caylee was dead before he hatched his scheme to bail her out and place himself in the middle of the media frenzy connected with the case. He saw a prime opportunity to create a lot of attention for himself and took full advantage of it. MOO

Amen!