2009.10.02 LKB & JB On Today Show

[ZsaZsa]

I couldn't bear to watch the LKB interview,but she made a huge error in judgement ,IMO. I hope and pray she says that to the jury! It will show LKB for what she really is. Any normal person sitting on that jury will know it's not "just a stupid thing people do". That's an insult to the listener's intelligence and they will not like or TRUST what LKB has to say after that.

I think I will embroider that statement, frame it and post it in her office and title it-
"Stupid things Attorneys should NEVER say"!

 

[azwriter]

LKB said not reporting your daughter kiddnapped and partying while she is gone is just a "stupid thing people do".

Funny how you can twist the truth just a little.

Since I'm not an attorney, is "stupid thing people do," anything like the defense "ugly coping?"

 

[MissJames]

Wasn't duct tape something that was specifically being looked for at the home in at least one of the searches?

I'm sure it was ,but did they verbally ask the A's for it? Remember when this began and CA turned over the toothbrush and hairbrush for the search warrant? There must have been a request made of her ,for her to do that.I'm wondering if there was a request for the duct tape in the home,along with the search .

 

[Ada]

The whole interview just came accross as desperate. Guess the change of venue is out the window now that they have tainted the entire U.S. jury pool. *doh*

Indeed! No more crying from the defense about publicity, please. :boohoo:

 

[coco puff]

There was. There are 2 dna samples. One belongs to the fbi lab tech, the other they dont know.

link please.

 

[RR0004]

I couldn't bear to watch the LKB interview,but she made a huge error in judgement ,IMO. I hope and pray she says that to the jury! It will show LKB for what she really is. Any normal person sitting on that jury will know it's not "just a stupid thing people do". That's an insult to the listener's intelligence and they will not like or TRUST what LKB has to say after that.

Oh...and what an insult to Caylee. Nope she better not go there.

 

[cyberborg]

I am sooo curious to know how they are going reconcile that KC was the last to be with Caylee and that the story about the nanny is not true. Will they stick with the nanny being real or will they admit it was a lie and then who is going to tell and describe the point in which Caylee was not in Casey's possesion? Will CAsey take the stand? I think she has to, because the jury needs to know what happened to Caylee from CASEY who was the last to see her alive.

Doesn't matter that there is no DNA to link Casey to the body of Caylee - even if there were it could be explained away as Casey being her mother and her DNA having to be there. The compelling evidence is CASEY herself. Her lies and the 31 days - the car - her parents and the fact that the NANNY is not real.

Beautiful catch-22. KC needs to testify because the Jury needs to hear from the Mother what happened but, KC cannot because the prosecution will roast and destroy her over the lies to this day.

 

[deer]

That was the best part, but why wait for court? Please Jose and Linda why can't you tell us all the "truth" now, why wait?
Makes no sense.

I'm hoping the Judge will make him tell the truth, before he decides to dismiss anything........

 

[Valhall]

I'm guessing next week we'll hear that driving around with your rotting dead daughter's body in your trunk is just another "stupid thing people do"...right?

*kerflunkel kerflunkel*!!!

 

[MD MOMMY]

oh come on guys, you know the smell in the car was from old pizza and gym shoes!! and in the pics of casey partying you can CLEARLY see her looking around fusian for Caylee. i mean, come on, isn't it obvious she was upset and missing Caylee?



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Yep and when she was "freaking" aka grinding on the girl at Fusian, she was actually just checking the girls pockets... to be sure Caylee wasn't hiding out in there.

 

[cyberborg]

If I was a Juror I would just need to hear the 911 call, the 31 days never reported, the KC/LE interview about ZFG and bold face lies/lies/lies (no concern) and, that Caylee was found on Suburban. Anything else would be icing on the cake. Guilty.

 

[cecybeans]

For one, I'm sick of defense attorneys getting in front of the media and saying the evidence is "only" circumstantial. For heavens sake, MOST evidence and most trials are based on circumstantial evidence. Second, forensic evidence is still considered circumstantial. The only thing that isn't is eyewitnesses. Unfortunately ours is the murder victim here.

It bothers me when people like BC talk about evidence as "links in a chain", implying that if there is one weak link the entire chain falls apart. Circumstantial evidence is not like that - it is an accumulation of things that, in total, form an unmistakable pattern that leads to a reasonable belief in guilt or innocence. Pieces that when joined, create something larger than the simply sum of their parts. I would say we reached a critical mass already for that to be solid.

It also bothers me that the defense is constantly exploiting the "CSI effect" in which they act as if people somehow should exonerate someone if there are no fingerprints or dna matches. Those things have only been available in the last hundred years (and dna for much less). However did we convict people without them?

I would assume that even if there is no forensic or other circumstantial type evidence directly linking KC to the crime scene, it is a pretty good bet JB cannot make a reasonable case that anyone else had either opportunity, intent or motive.

If JT's testimony sticks, then there is a very small window on the 16th that the deed could be done, and I double dog dare them to place anyone else she may have known or met at or anywhere near the house. If they had evidence of a reasonable SODDI, then you know that DC and CA wouldn't have been frantically manufacturing conspiracy theories on crack like twin rogue whackadoodles.

One piece of duct tape not matching another in evidence does not discount anything - it just might make that particular item a slight bit less of a slam dunk. And they recovered other duct tape, so that one isn't over yet, imo.

I had to stop watching the Macaluso one because he allowed the bleeping interviewer on CBS to say they found foreign dna without mentioning it was lab tech dna - which made it look like some SODDI opening. No, it just means lab tech dna got transferred and was correctly identified. Grrrr!!!

 

[cyberborg]

There was. There are 2 dna samples. One belongs to the fbi lab tech, the other they dont know.

Did you post a link for this?, as requested by other posters as well. If so, please point me to the post or provide a link. Thanks!!!!!

 

[cecybeans]

Okay, I've had a little time to calm down. Someone on NG said this looks like a last ditch effort of the defense to "contaminate" the jury. That may be true - and it will sure "contaminate" any COV plea they try to make. When the defense is trotting around on national media shows, they are slathering their bias all over the place and I'm sure that is not going to make Judge S amenable to any beachfront location for trial, as both JB and KC seem to hope.

Also, in regards to this insane effort to get the DP off the table all of a sudden, I get the feeling that it might have just as much to do with some typical defense tactic as about getting JB back in charge and AL out of the picture. There have been rumors of conflict in the defense team; I would imagine it might have to do with how JB and his client's naive delusions are in direct opposition to the pragmatism of a seasoned DP attorney. If the Svengali JB can manage to have his key DP attorney tossed out of the mix (for a second time, mind you), he will be free to keep his client sequestered and away from all outside influences (like CA who was in the car driving her to jail when KC made that little detour to LE, or GA, who tried to arrange a meeting with LE, both of which fizzled as soon as JB returned to the scene.)

We may be seeing the internal politics of the defense as much as we are seeing strategy.

 

[strach304]

Chiquita- ITA with you that I would expect Casey's DNA found on or with Caylee, If she has been found earlier. I suspect if you ran tests on any one of my children, you would find my DNA all over them right now. I hug, kiss, and hold my kids, everyday. I'm certain any number of my hairs would be found on them as well, I wash their laundry and mine together. I think the reason they couldn't find any on Caylee was because she sat out there in those woods for so long. :angel:

Also, to answer you about young motherhood...
I was 23 and a mama to a 4 yd old, a 2 yr old, and a newborn. I never felt like the responsibility was " too much" for me to handle. Of course, I had moments of absolute exhaustion, and some of frustration, ever try to reason with a 2 yr old? Even when I went through the loss of my newborn baby boy, I was never unable to function as a mother to the other two. I had plenty of horribly dark days, but I lived and breathed for my remaining children and their happiness. I can only say I'd never make it through the voire dire in this case as a juror, because I am incapable of understanding how a mother, young or otherwise, could harm her child. If casey wants to peddle the "I'm innocent" routine, I do believe she will need to take the stand in her own defense...I'm just not certain I would be able to stomach watching it.

First of all I offer my condolences. You are a very strong woman. My biggest fear in life has always been losing a child. I rarely slept with my first for fear of SIDS. I too was 19 when I gave birth to my first daughter. No husband, family help, etc.

Casey had more help and less responsibility than any mother I have ever known of.

I'm sure not one of her attorneys understand it either. I seriously doubt that they believe in her innocence either. Someone has to defend her.

 

[scorpion1110]

Yep and when she was "freaking" aka grinding on the girl at Fusian, she was actually just checking the girls pockets... to be sure Caylee wasn't hiding out in there.

MD MOMMY, thank you so much for this comment!!! I could'nt stop laughing for at least 20 minutes with that vision, :rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling:

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

IMO....all the defense's media blitzes, immediately following document dumps containing more damning info, are even MORE damning to their defense.

First....slightly OT....in the future, "they" (LKB,JB, TM, et al) will no doubt try to use this so called "junk science" in an attempt to defend another one of THEIR clients....ironically, the prosecution in THAT case will have a field day with all the defenses national TV appearances lambasting this same evidence and those procedures.

Secondly....the methods LE used of collecting carpet data (put in metal cans, etc), and the analysis of the chemical vapors trapped in this "closed environment", has been used for years in fire investigations to test for accelerants, etc.....hmmmm, junk science.

And...as far as throwing the case out, or taking off 2 of the charges made due to "lack of evidence" Ha!! What's out is great evidence....there is more info to come....they don't KNOW what it is....are they Karnak the Magnificent?? It's the defenses own fault that the prosecution has even MORE time to re-evaluate evidence, maybe using alternate methods to test....finding further evidence....put together more of the puzzle pieces....someone going thru pictures and finding things they didn't notice before - KB and duct tape - the list goes on and on.

A waste...a huge waste......

 

[Chiquita71]

Chiquita- ITA with you that I would expect Casey's DNA found on or with Caylee, If she has been found earlier. I suspect if you ran tests on any one of my children, you would find my DNA all over them right now. I hug, kiss, and hold my kids, everyday. I'm certain any number of my hairs would be found on them as well, I wash their laundry and mine together. I think the reason they couldn't find any on Caylee was because she sat out there in those woods for so long. :angel:

Also, to answer you about young motherhood...
I was 23 and a mama to a 4 yd old, a 2 yr old, and a newborn. I never felt like the responsibility was " too much" for me to handle. Of course, I had moments of absolute exhaustion, and some of frustration, ever try to reason with a 2 yr old? Even when I went through the loss of my newborn baby boy, I was never unable to function as a mother to the other two. I had plenty of horribly dark days, but I lived and breathed for my remaining children and their happiness. I can only say I'd never make it through the voire dire in this case as a juror, because I am incapable of understanding how a mother, young or otherwise, could harm her child. If casey wants to peddle the "I'm innocent" routine, I do believe she will need to take the stand in her own defense...I'm just not certain I would be able to stomach watching it.

Quote Respect Minimama

Sending you love Minimama~I wish I had something "right" to say for your loss. Saying loss seems so lame. Blessings

Thank you- to all of, what I call the "earth mothers" for sharing your point of view.

I think we can see the terrible outcome of women who, for the lack of any other description/ "difference" are not "good mothers." It shows the depth of importance for all of you who are good mothers, its quite the understatement. I am sure it is instinctual and you couldn't help loving if you tried. I guess that is not the way Casey was/is I guess that is part of what I am reading this case to understand. Sometimes in the wild, a mother will eat her children. Maybe some "women" are not much more advanced and when faced with stress they "devolve" and regress to hampster form?

Not meaning to make light of anything. There has to be an answer and: insanity...nah not here, evil...yeah but what is evil?...less advanced soul is what I am thinking. This is a case of a "service to self" soul encountering and "service to others"(Caylee Marie)! Bless her soul...oh wait...it already is! :innocent:

 

[coco puff]

Beautiful catch-22. KC needs to testify because the Jury needs to hear from the Mother what happened but, KC cannot because the prosecution will roast and destroy her over the lies to this day.

You are so right cyberborg. What mother would NOT get up in front of a jury and tell exactly what happend during the last moments that she was with her two year old child. Not only would she be defending herself, she would have the opportunity to tell the world what the kidnapper looked like so that we could find her daughter's killer. Beautiful indeed.

 

[Chiquita71]

I'm not sure exactly what she would be overwhelmed with- Juggling a job, a home, and child care responsibilities? No, not that.
Having to care for the child unaided? No, her mother gave the child a lot more care than she ever did. Casey's friends relate phone calls from Cindy ( who did have a job and a home to manage) asking her to come home so she could get some sleep. According to her My space page, Cindy fed her,clothed her, provided medical care. What exactly did Casey do for her?
What responsibilities do you think might have been overwhelming for her?

Quote Respect ZsaZsa

No worries. ITA. I was just saying(probably because I have heard too many times "until you have a child you just can't understand" and not from strangers but my own mother)asking as a "non-mom" what young mothers felt/thought re: what seems to be the defense: that Casey was a good mom and could not have killed Caylee, what she did and how she reacted is "normal" or could be seen as normal. That, and there is "no physical evidence."

I think I know I am being confusing. Sorry. Its just because of the spin the defense has put on things trying to say that Casey is/was a good mom and that the things she did was just "crazy things everybody does." Since I'm not a mom, I knew my opinion but I wanted to-ya know-ask and conversate on the subject.

I was/am amazed that the defense would try this type of defense considering the strong opinions(all of which agree with each other)from "young mothers" that Casey's behavior is anything but "the crazy things everybody does" especially when you are a mother.

I mean I knew that, I feel that way...I'm just asking because big high powered lawyers that are on national TV and make more money brushing their teeth than I will in my life: are trying to sell this. Did I talk enough till I stated to make sense? :crazy:

I get it folks. No matter who you are, kids or no kids...we don't buy not reporting Caylee for 31 days. Is there anyone who is okay with this that is not a mouthpiece for the defense? Thanks again WS. Sorry if I seemed confusing, or was confusing. I stop now. :blushing:

:cow: