2009.10.09 Duct Tape Photos From Remains Released

[Dignity4Victims]

I saw a picture of the laundry bag and you could see the black bags beside it seperate with yellow handles. The laundry bag was still in the reverse vegitation area. So, I came to the conclusion that the bags were tangled during transportation. And yes, I do question experts when they leave these very important things out. IMO

They haven't left much of anything out for the rest of the readers of those documents. Your questions have been answered time and again, time and again, time and again by multiple posters and the proof given to you in multiple documents.

They are not difficult to read, or follow, but it is a personal choice whether to mistrust experts who were there, or, make up one's own personal disbelief based on repetitive mistrust, no matter which expert we're talking about, or which document is cited. I happen to value education and experience in areas of life which I personally have not studied.

These people are not stupid, not out to frame anyone, and they are not laymen in their field. Give them a bit of credit for that.

 

[AZlawyer]

I saw a picture of the laundry bag and you could see the black bags beside it seperate with yellow handles. The laundry bag was still in the reverse vegitation area. So, I came to the conclusion that the bags were tangled during transportation. And yes, I do question experts when they leave these very important things out. IMO

The reports of the officers who responded to the scene explain in great detail exactly how the laundry bag and trash bags were situated--how they were tangled together at the scene, and how they were removed in one great big clump because they could not be detangled at the scene.

 

[flourish]

Ok, attached in some fashion to the hair mat? and in what fashion would that be?

Okay really now. :waitasec: *SIGH* I like it when people use their problem-solving skills, reasoning functions, and best judgment. When I used the above mentioned skills and processes, it occurred to me that sticky duct tape and tangly hair just might attach themselves to each other simply due to the duct tape's sticky nature and hair's tangly nature.

I'm certainly not implying that folks around here haven't used their reasoning when thinking about things...I'm just expressing my personal appreciation for thought processes.

Oh, and is there a new definition for the word "expert" that I don't know about?

I'm having flashbacks to the 90's....it depends on what your definition of the word "is" is....

And, of course, all my posts, including this one, include my own humble opinion, gathered using my own reason and after reading the provided documents, etc.

That's it...now I'm taking my ball and I'm going home! PPPbbbtttt!!!!
I love you guys

 

[okiedokietoo]

I saw a picture of the laundry bag and you could see the black bags beside it seperate with yellow handles. The laundry bag was still in the reverse vegitation area. So, I came to the conclusion that the bags were tangled during transportation. And yes, I do question experts when they leave these very important things out. IMO

Do you have photos of what they looked like at the crime scene? Would you please post those?

 

[Astraea]

Can you find where the report says "no sticky residue"? I thought it said "no sticker residue". :waitasec:

My apologies AZ. I should have not used my own terms when describing what I had read in the report (I am slowly catching on here :angel



Please refer to page 19/19 "no adhesive" and "no longer sticky" are the terms used.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/gascanarguepullupsremains.pdf

ETA : Good lord ....is this the gas can tape?

 

[AZlawyer]

My apologies AZ. I should have not used my own terms when describing what I had read in the report (I am slowly catching on here :angel



Please refer to page 19/19 "no adhesive" and "no longer sticky" are the terms used.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/gascanarguepullupsremains.pdf

ETA : Good lord ....is this the gas can tape?

None of the pieces of tape described on that page are the ones that were found on the skull or on the gas can (or even Q104, which was found at the scene but was also "Henkel" tape). Let me look at the other pages...

ETA: I'm not seeing any reference to any of the pieces of Henkel tape in that document (Q62, Q63, Q64 or Q104).

 

[AZlawyer]

[ame="http://www.scribd.com/doc/21982230/Latent-Prints"]Latent Prints[/ame]

p. 28 re Q62-64 (skull tape): "glue was mostly gone; no longer sticky"

Q62 "separate piece"
Q63 and Q64 "stuck together", with Q63 on top

 

[LambChop]

Things do stick together without glue. Papers stored together in a book over a period of time can stick together, no glue. So since glue was once on the tape and desolved from exposure to the water it is still possible (obviously) that the tape still stayed stuck together. Not sure why this is still an issue because the tape was there and no amount of speculation will change that.

Why is it so important whether or not there was finally glue on the tape??? It does not change the condition the remains were found in. JMO

 

[notthatsmart]

Do you have photos of what they looked like at the crime scene? Would you please post those?

It is the fox news crime scene photo of the laundry bag.

 

[sleutherontheside]

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[Dignity4Victims]

Subtle, yet Hilarious! :clap:

 

[christee]

:waitasec: Can you point me to the study that describes just how people overlap duct tape? :bang:

OMG I'm simply...impressed

:laugh:

 

[Astraea]

None of the pieces of tape described on that page are the ones that were found on the skull or on the gas can (or even Q104, which was found at the scene but was also "Henkel" tape). Let me look at the other pages...

ETA: I'm not seeing any reference to any of the pieces of Henkel tape in that document (Q62, Q63, Q64 or Q104).

Thank you AZ. Sorry for the delayed response. I had a family emergency of sorts and had to run out earlier. I will have to peruse those documents as well. I truly appreciate it

 

[Astraea]

For some this may be a ride, but for me it certainly is not (at least I didnt think it was when I finally joined WS). My apologies, but I have yet to delve into this particular issue and thought the thread was here for discussion.

 

[JWG]

Well iirc many in the majority believe the cotton deteriorated. How can they prove something was there at one time? They will need an afidavit from an official Henkel source stating that there was no duct tape of this model made without cotton. I read the email from the poster way back that had recieved an email from someone at Henkel, but have not seen anything official. So, therefore I am still looking at pictures. The Fbi findings were unexceptable by the majority. The fbi stated that the fabric was consistent with coming from a different source/roll. I am satisfied with the Fbi findings. The tape does not match at all. I was only trying to point out that the fbi had plenty of fabric to work with to make their determination. IMO

NTS, we did point you to the official docs from Henkel that clearly described the composition of that particular brand of duct tape. At that point you began arguing that perhaps the tape was manufactured in China, and because Chinese manufacturing standards seem to be of lesser quality than US standards, perhaps the Chinese manufacturing plant "forgot" to use fabric containing cotton. :bang: When we pointed out that the Henkel and Shurtape websites state that their manufacturing facilities are located only within the lower 48 United States, you argued that the website might be in error, and that it did not "prove" they did not outsource the tape manufacture to a third party. :snooty:

At that point I packaged up all the posts involved in the exchange and sent the whole thing to Linda Kenny-Baden and told her that her work was done. :thumb:

 

[Clock's Tickin]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JWG
Can you point me to the study that describes just how people overlap duct tape?

OMG I'm simply...impressed

:laugh:

OK-so-when I'm wrappin' pipes, I overlap my duct tape in a horizontal fashion---when I'm repairing a hole in the tent red-neck style, I use kind of a cross approach--but I must say that when I am wrapping up the head of a recently deceased person, I generally use a similar method shown in the pics.

 

[LambChop]

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Unfortunately it's Orlando and there is no expiration date in Orlando. You can keep going round and round and round forever.

I just think there is something we did not see from the FBI about the tape. Defense finished up with their depos with the FBI. So did defense not get the results from these depos they wanted, or did they find something that has not been released yet....something about the duct tape????? Suppose there is what appears to be bite marks on the tape and the reports do not reflect that but they are quite visible upon examination. If defense did not have their experts personally examine the tape they would not know about it until their depos. Even we here think there could be bite marks by looking at the pictures.

If you want to see where the problem might be, look to where you are getting the most resistence. As my husband once told my children, "Why are you so defensive....it makes you appear guilty of something?" JMO

 

[LambChop]

For some this may be a ride, but for me it certainly is not (at least I didnt think it was when I finally joined WS). My apologies, but I have yet to delve into this particular issue and thought the thread was here for discussion.

With all due respect I believe from the very beginning of this thread some of the very same issues are being brought up again and again. There are times I post something and the majority does not agree with me so I go back to see what I missed and sure enough I missed something. The majority here respect the reports as they have been released. Is there something more, could be? Is there something on the duct tape that we can't see but can be seen by close examination, could be? We don't know. Has defense taken the opportunity to have their experts examine the duct tape themselves and not just used pictures to make their determination? Who knows? I have not heard of any experts from the defense trotting down to examine the evidence other than the trunk first hand. In my own experience sometimes what you want to see just is not there. JMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JWG
Can you point me to the study that describes just how people overlap duct tape?





OK-so-when I'm wrappin' pipes, I overlap my duct tape in a horizontal fashion---when I'm repairing a hole in the tent red-neck style, I use kind of a cross approach--but I must say that when I am wrapping up the head of a recently deceased person, I generally use a similar method shown in the pics.

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[notthatsmart]

Things do stick together without glue. Papers stored together in a book over a period of time can stick together, no glue. So since glue was once on the tape and desolved from exposure to the water it is still possible (obviously) that the tape still stayed stuck together. Not sure why this is still an issue because the tape was there and no amount of speculation will change that.

Why is it so important whether or not there was finally glue on the tape??? It does not change the condition the remains were found in. JMO

Because the glue on the tape, protects the fabric. If there is glue, then there is protected fabric, yet no cotton. That would indicate that the tape was made without cotton. Hence no match. IMO