2009.12.11 Motions Hearing #2

[Nore]

I think it's strange that she supposedly asked for "some kind of medication". That's suspicious to me.

O/T When I was told my baby girl was dying, my first reaction (and those of my close family & friends) was to collapse, be in shock, scream, cry etc. My sister totally lost her mind for a few seconds . We all walked around in a daze for awhile, mechanically trying to complete necessary errands alternating with bouts of grief and necessary hope. Not once did I ask for any medication.

The reason I didn't ask for drugs is b/c I wasn't thinking about myself. My friends & family weren't thinking about where they could score something to make them feel better either. We were all trying to do things to prepare for my daughter's death while at the same time trying desperately to think of things that would save her. I mean, that is all we we cared about, not our own emotional/mental states, which were obviously unstable and devastated.

So, I just find it weird that she supposedly needed to numb herself to that. I mean, no one wants to feel that pain but as a parent, trying to escape that pain in that moment, seems almost disrespectful to the dying or dead child.

I'm not, by any means, suggesting that many of us need medication to cope or function after the fact. I'm just saying in that moment - is it normal to think "meds, I need some drugs" or whatever she actually said?

I mean no offense or hurt to anyone here & would like to hear differing viewpoints (jmo).

I agree with you.My 36yr.old son died in a nursing home results of a stroke.
I was with him for 3 1/2 yrs..when he was in a coma the nurses made me get a cup of coffee.They asked if I had pills,said yes but I wouldn't take them. I wanted to be THERE for him.They made me take a 2 mg. valium or wouldnt let me go back.It didnt phase me.He died in my arms,my beloved son...No drugs really help.A parent wants to be completely concious.If it does help someone great,for me I was better off clear.:rose:

 

[Kathy1964]

Judge S said he would rule today on the motion prohibiting taping at the jail, both family visits and attorney visits. Did he rule?

 

[suki]

I see Casey as a person that lived in a house where the rule (written by Cindy) was don't confront, don't check up on, don't question, avoid problems with Casey at all cost. This has been Casey's whole world, she has never been held accountable for anything. What is ironic, is the fact that now the state of Florida is very much holding her accountable, in the most serious way possible. She is now facing the most severe punishment the state of Florida has to offer. Most people have some experience in dealing with the responsibilities of their actions, this is Casey's first go around in that department. While Casey is responsible for her daughters death, I can't help but to wonder what she would be like if she had consistent consequences for her behavior growing up.

I still think she should rot in prison for the rest of her life for Caylee's murder.

I totally agree with you that she should rot in prison for the rest of her life and she's young so that would be a very, VERY long time. This would give her years after years to think about what she done to her precious child every second - every minute - of every day. Then, and only then, will she experience the consequences of her actions.

 

[logicalgirl]

Okay. So I gather from the argument that it was a recorded conversation without both parties' knowledge? And JJ was moving for the protective order (which logic would dictate that "someone" taped him without his knowledge). Wonder who that could have been? I surely hope it wasn't one of the investigators for an attorney as SURELY they would know it is ILLEGAL in Florida to record someone without their permission (baring certain exceptions).

No it was the other way around. It was Baez interviewing JJ and trying to get him to admit stuff re searching and TES. JJ was getting concerned and taped the meeting with Baez, then took it to the OC police and said what is on this tape isn't true, and I don't want to testify that it is true. LBK got involved, but couldn't listen to it because it would be a felony for her or anyone to listen to it so she asked that it be sealed.

 

[logicalgirl]

JJ was being interviewed by the defense (Not sure, but JB I think) concerning a search on Suburban.
JJ secretly taped the interview, then went to police (SA?) and told them what he had done, and said the things he said on the tape to Baez weren't true.
SA filed a motion for a protective order for it to be sealed --the tape is illegal, and it would be against the law to release it--or for either side to listen to it.
Judge S granted the protective order. The tape is now sealed forever, cannot be used in trial.


Now my opinion--I think that JJ somehow managed to say that he searched in exactly the spot where Caylees remains were found, and she was not there at the time of his search. He may have also said that he was assigned to search there by TES, which was not true. Apparently a group of searchers went off on their own and searched. I think during the interview he realized perhaps things were being twisted, or his hinky meter went off for some reason, so he turned on his recorder. Because Baez didn't know of the recording, it became illegal. Baez wanted that info for 2 reasons (1)To place Caylee's remains there later, meaning KC couldn't have done it because she was in jail (2) This name was not disclosed to Baez with the list of TES searchers who were in the area of Suburban. Baez wanted to use this as a reason to get ALL of the TES records instead of the limited number he was granted by the court.
My opinion based on what has been made public.
Katharine

Sorry Katharine - didn't see your post before I answered this question and you explained it much better than me.

 

[littlemisslegal]

I would love to attend a hearing and have family in Orlando that would house me....I am just always afraid that I'll drive all the way there and then it will be too full. For those who have attended, how early do you get there, and what is the protocol? Is there enough "side action" in the courtroom to make sitting there in person worth it?

I got there at approx 9:15 went thru security. not long line.started 9:30. i was told i had to sit in back row. latter after break i moved up one row. all seats were full at one point then people left and empty seats. i sure wish i could have met all you other websleuthers. channel 13 news videos.
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=CASEY4W_121120090136&cat=CAC&title=Casey%20Anthony%20Hearing%20(4%20of%204)

 

[sleutherontheside]

I got there at approx 9:15 went thru security. not long line.started 9:30. i was told i had to sit in back row. latter after break i moved up one row. all seats were full at one point then people left and empty seats. i sure wish i could have met all you other websleuthers. i am in tape 2of 4 talking to george. its on channel 13 news videos.
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=CASEY4W_121120090136&cat=CAC&title=Casey%20Anthony%20Hearing%20(4%20of%204)

Good to know. I suspect as we draw closer to trial that space may be limited. In your opinion, how did G and C handle the difficult information being shared?

 

[jcamille]

I never have been able to figure out the shamrock thing....GA has "a little Irish" on his side of the family, IIRC, and CA is Romanian (IIRC)....If the father is unknown, how the heck did Caylee get so Irish?
I'm a full quarter Sicilian and a full quarter Armenian, with a lot of English Isle stuff between, but even with the two strongest identifiers in my lineage, I feel a little humbled having bravado about it, because it's not like I'm Giada DeLaurentis, or anything...I dunno, just weird to me if it is not a celebrated family culture.

I don't think that the shamrocks/Irish thing is a heritage issue, it's a thing with that age group. My niece is the same age as KC and has shamrocks on a bunch of things and I asked her why she had them? What did the shamrock represent to that age group? She said she didn't know - just liked them because everyone else did.

 

[autumnlover]

I think it's strange that she supposedly asked for "some kind of medication". That's suspicious to me.

O/T When I was told my baby girl was dying, my first reaction (and those of my close family & friends) was to collapse, be in shock, scream, cry etc. My sister totally lost her mind for a few seconds . We all walked around in a daze for awhile, mechanically trying to complete necessary errands alternating with bouts of grief and necessary hope. Not once did I ask for any medication.

The reason I didn't ask for drugs is b/c I wasn't thinking about myself. My friends & family weren't thinking about where they could score something to make them feel better either. We were all trying to do things to prepare for my daughter's death while at the same time trying desperately to think of things that would save her. I mean, that is all we we cared about, not our own emotional/mental states, which were obviously unstable and devastated.

So, I just find it weird that she supposedly needed to numb herself to that. I mean, no one wants to feel that pain but as a parent, trying to escape that pain in that moment, seems almost disrespectful to the dying or dead child.

I'm not, by any means, suggesting that many of us need medication to cope or function after the fact. I'm just saying in that moment - is it normal to think "meds, I need some drugs" or whatever she actually said?

I mean no offense or hurt to anyone here & would like to hear differing viewpoints (jmo).

I'm so sorry to hear about your baby daughter. I extend my condolences to you and your family and pray for your strength.

I completely agree with you. In fact, I'll take it one step further - she probably saw it as an excuse to get high.

 

[littlemisslegal]

Good to know. I suspect as we draw closer to trial that space may be limited. In your opinion, how did G and C handle the difficult information being shared?

If you go to the jan 25 hearing 10 am get there really early. It will be packed i bet. trial case. When they entered the court room video shows them smiling. by the end cindy looked like she could faint or collapse i felt. jmo of course. The news described cindy and george as storming out of courtroom although i did not feel this. I honestly thought it was unbearable for them to hear about duct tape. the atty was great at telling how caylee might have looked in killers eyes as pieces of duct tape were applied.also implied if she was alive she could have been sedated in some way or else tape could have been removed. many times cindy had head down and i saw her rocking a little. saw george and her nod yes and no at times. felt they were united team -- felt love between them or at least support of each other. to see their daughter in this situation and know caylee is dead must be living hell. i feel different now. that changed me being there. i see both sides. can you love and hate a child at same time? perhaps i now say. i would not be able to seperate a love into pure hate or pure love if this were me in their shoes. cindy is very pretty and tiny - george is tall and very handsome. his shirt was powder blue and someone ironed it perfect creases. very nice looking - both of them-thru their tears which were 100 percent real i would swear to it!! i blew a kiss to cindy when she glanced at me and she whispered thank you. this was before i spoke with her .my kids said mom-- i can not believe you approached george and cindy and spoke. i said -- why not? i told them i respected them - some may say i am crazy but i said what i felt-- i would not be any better if i was them . even though i remember the water hoses-lol.who knows what we would do in their shoes i said to myself!

 

[Omachka]

I would love to attend a hearing and have family in Orlando that would house me....I am just always afraid that I'll drive all the way there and then it will be too full. For those who have attended, how early do you get there, and what is the protocol? Is there enough "side action" in the courtroom to make sitting there in person worth it?

I think it's very interesting to attend in person. There is actually a lot of "side action" that you don't see on the cameras. On the other hand there are some things you can't see from the gallery that you can see on the videos. The courtroom can get very crowded and it also takes some time to find parking and get into the building through security. There is also the problem with locating the right courtroom since it seems to change every time. :banghead: I'd say get there 45 minutes to an hour early.

 

[littlemisslegal]

I think it's very interesting to attend in person. There is actually a lot of "side action" that you don't see on the cameras. On the other hand there are some things you can't see from the gallery that you can see on the videos. The courtroom can get very crowded and it also takes some time to find parking and get into the building through security. There is also the problem with locating the right courtroom since it seems to change every time. :banghead: I'd say get there 45 minutes to an hour early.

parking was 8 dollars for 3 and half hours. they take credit cards-lol!! 2.00 hour

 

[littlemisslegal]

was watching video of jose and andrea leaving with reporter kathy. she said to andrea== please do not push me. thats a battery. you should know that! regardless of push or not, it did not look or sound good for andrea L image. kathys tough-lol. she has spunk- i like that!!
http://www.wftv.com/video/21930839/index.html

 

[cyberborg]

I think KC's parents have probably been protecting KC from consequences of her actions for years. Being held accountable isn't something KC is used to. In court today, KC acted like a little kid caught with her hand in the cookie jar. First she shook her head in denial..."No my hands not in the jar." Then she bawled because she was busted.

It KC could have she would have put her hands over her ears so she wouldn't have to hear. Instead...she said to her lawyer..."Make him stop!"

KC wasn't crying for Caylee. KC was crying from frustration because she was being made to sit and listen to JA talk about the monstrous thing she had done. Her tears were because she was embarrassed over being caught. She was exposed. Nobody was pretending everything was fine.

Anyway, KC's tears were not from grief over Caylee...not in my opinion. Just like a little kid she was bawling because she'd been caught. She didn't like having to hear about her behavior.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Harmony 2]

Watch the tape again carefully with no sound. Watch Casey carefully. She hides her face behind her hand and she is breathing heavily but there are no tears. As he speaks for a whole minute and a half she only wipes at her eye once at the end. If she was really crying as her breathing indicates she would have to wipe her eyes often.

http://www.wesh.com/video/21931324/index.html

 

[Kimster]

FYI:

I will be closing this thread tonight. Please break out discussions into topic specific threads.

 

[njustice]

I see Casey as a person that lived in a house where the rule (written by Cindy) was don't confront, don't check up on, don't question, avoid problems with Casey at all cost. This has been Casey's whole world, she has never been held accountable for anything. What is ironic, is the fact that now the state of Florida is very much holding her accountable, in the most serious way possible. She is now facing the most severe punishment the state of Florida has to offer.

Yep, the fantasy world created for her by the Anthony's is why she is in the current pickle she is in - and most likely why her parents are riddled with guilt over the situation. They created the monster. She honestly thought she would get away with this, no questions asked. This past year has been a good dose of reality for someone who should have been experiencing it for 22 years.

 

[Leila]

http://www.wftv.com/video/21935023/index.html

Thank you to whoever posted this link above! Switching through threads trying to catch up, and now can't find where I found it!

I love Kathy! AL was had by her today..:woohoo:
I wish she could interview Casey!

That press conference was priceless! :woohoo: I think Kathy Belich is going places. She's brought investigative reporting back into the field of reporting the news!

 

[mitzi]

Yeah, where is LEE? He is suppose to be so PROUD of CMA!!!
He should listen to the states evidence and Ashton today!

Boy, Lee sure is staying out of the spotlight. Hmmmm....wonder why..."he knows what he has done."

I guess we can pretty much discount expecting Mallory's parents keeping their daughter away from the Anthony family, since after today, they are obviously CA/GA's only BFFs.

 

[Kimster]

What an interesting day today! It is time to close the thread now.

May Caylee have justice!