2009.12.11 Motions Hearing #2

[cecybeans]

That interview with JB is from November.

I'm watching it and it isn't the same. I think this is new footage, regardless of when it was taken; it's different that the earlier episode.

 

[debbie0604]

JB on JVM right now.

I don't know if I can watch it if Janie W is on too. UGGHH!!! I can't take her.

I think I'll skip it. I want to be able to keep my TV intact.

 

[Coldpizza]

Normally when I see someone cry, I want to reach out. I even tend to tear up. But that just didn't happen watching the videos of Casey responding to the motions. I think she has finally realized how deep she is in. Her listening to the scenario of Caylee's final moments brought it front and center to her finally. How long that will last I don't know. That is the first time I saw real true emotion from her. It was beyond feel sorry for me, it was the gamut. Fear, anger, realization....but yet still no regret. Just didn't see that.

IMO

 

[Moe]

We need to compare the deposition of the jail report from one year ago today with how KC acted today. Red face, angry, and heaving, it all sounds very similar. Does anyone know where that report is? Is the behavior the same when confronted with truth?

 

[Patty G]

I'm watching it and it isn't the same. I think this is new footage, regardless of when it was taken; it's different that the earlier episode.

Except for the first part of tonights show where Jane is talking about the motions hearing from today, the interview with Jose is the same show as November 20, 2009.


Issues with Jose Baez
November 20, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVXiZYQbxmU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3PbPjHSEwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BUc59MXKYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdtd-TqSwUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha0QDR6VWzs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqtk04g46Bw

 

[LambChop]

At one point, JA reminded us all that KC is presumed innocent. A little later he went on to speculate about Caylee and what may have happened. As he was speaking the camera panned to KC, where she was obviously struggling with her emotions. When she said “make him stop” she was visibly upset. She cried, and it looked as if she was close to hyperventilating. There are many who may be of the opinion that this was all staged, and she has no feelings, and can bring tears to her eyes at will. That is not my opinion. My opinion is the tears were real, she was upset at hearing what possibly could have happened to her daughter, and while listening to the heart wrenching words being spoken by JA those emotional reactions are normal. It would seem that here in the court of public opinion that any emotion or reaction by KC about anything, can and will be twisted and turned to fit whatever point about KC one would want to prove. For example, if she did not cry, or become upset, then many would be talking about how cold and calculated she is. If she only cried a little, she would be a heartless killer that could barely shed a tear while hearing about her daughter being duct taped. If she had hyperventilated, and went on a long uncontrollable crying jag, she would be admitting her guilt by uncontrollably crying. She is in an impossible situation. I respect the fact that each of us here in the court of public opinion are allowed our own opinions, I respect all the opinions here, I would ask in return that my opinions would be treated with the same respect. As always moo. JA reminded us all that KC is presumed innocent, at one point.

I think that would be a natural reaction to observations people have made throughout the year with KC in court and her behavior after her child was missing. Previously any emotion she has shown was about her. Any time her parents brought up the subject of Caylee on the jail videos KC clearly directed the conversation away from Caylee and back to herself. So when people watch her now they are drawing on what resources they have in their memory which is she is crying because she feels she is being attached. Very much like a friend you know that becomes dramatic when they feel the attention is no longer focused on them. You have history with this person and know when their reaction is real and when it is fake. JMO My own opinion is she is running out of time and she suddenly realizes it.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

At one point, JA reminded us all that KC is presumed innocent. A little later he went on to speculate about Caylee and what may have happened. As he was speaking the camera panned to KC, where she was obviously struggling with her emotions. When she said “make him stop” she was visibly upset. She cried, and it looked as if she was close to hyperventilating. There are many who may be of the opinion that this was all staged, and she has no feelings, and can bring tears to her eyes at will. That is not my opinion. My opinion is the tears were real, she was upset at hearing what possibly could have happened to her daughter, and while listening to the heart wrenching words being spoken by JA those emotional reactions are normal. It would seem that here in the court of public opinion that any emotion or reaction by KC about anything, can and will be twisted and turned to fit whatever point about KC one would want to prove. For example, if she did not cry, or become upset, then many would be talking about how cold and calculated she is. If she only cried a little, she would be a heartless killer that could barely shed a tear while hearing about her daughter being duct taped. If she had hyperventilated, and went on a long uncontrollable crying jag, she would be admitting her guilt by uncontrollably crying. She is in an impossible situation. I respect the fact that each of us here in the court of public opinion are allowed our own opinions, I respect all the opinions here, I would ask in return that my opinions would be treated with the same respect. As always moo. JA reminded us all that KC is presumed innocent, at one point.

I might feel the same way you do but I just can't get over never reporting your child missing or driving around in a car that smelled like death. All the confirmed lying to police who were trying to find her is a big hurdle for me too.

 

[Pollywog]

There was no regret because KC feels she did nothing wrong. Nothing has ever been her fault and her parents have always covered for her. She has never had to face her actions in the past, but those actions are coming back t slap her in the face. If she were not guilty, she would have shown way more emotion the whole time than acting as she did, especially in the beginning, with the swaggering walk, the high fives and hanging out in JB's office all day. A not guilty person does not act like she has/does.

 

[reeseeva]

The blocking of her face is a new thing, and at first I thought it was so that noone could see her cry. Now, I think it was to hide her face, while the ugly truths behind Caylee's murder, were being exposed for the whole world to see.

BBM

This is The New Script, the one AL has written for her to memorize and rehearse.

I honestly never saw one tear trickle down her face, not one. She poked and wiped feverishly, checking constantly, but nothing.

To note, every Newscaster rehashing today's hearing, as well as callers, are asking, "Where was this Emotion when her daughter was missing, where was her outrage then, why has it taken this long?

 

[sleutherontheside]

As much as KC THRIVES on attention....I have to wonder, if her tears (emitted during statements that clearly directed the focus on Caylee ) were a part of her normal MO to redirect focus to her feelings, her plight, and just plain HER. She has a history of creating drama at parties (running into guy she claimed to have slept with and then suffered a miscarriage), with friends via text (can't go to Jax with Amy due to Dad having a mini stroke), etc.... It seems that whenever KC must "face the music" whether it be as trivial as following through on a promise to a friend or admitting fault, wrongdoing, or deception, she uses her emotions to distract from the topic at hand. Did she cry when AL was stating that the State of Fl wants to "kill her"? No, but when faced with sympathy being directed to anyone but her, it was a waterworks show. I don't doubt that her tears were real. THe motive behind them is really the issue. She uses anger, tears, and whatever else she can muster to direct the attention to her.

 

[The World According]

Hate to sound callous, but I think it had more to do with her worrying about the camera getting a shot of her with black mascara running down her face.

When she dabbed her eyelashes, that is EXACTLY what I thought: vanity not trauma!

 

[autumnlover]

As much as KC THRIVES on attention....I have to wonder, if her tears (emitted during statements that clearly directed the focus on Caylee ) were a part of her normal MO to redirect focus to her feelings, her plight, and just plain HER. She has a history of creating drama at parties (running into guy she claimed to have slept with and then suffered a miscarriage), with friends via text (can't go to Jax with Amy due to Dad having a mini stroke), etc.... It seems that whenever KC must "face the music" whether it be as trivial as following through on a promise to a friend or admitting fault, wrongdoing, or deception, she uses her emotions to distract from the topic at hand. Did she cry when AL was stating that the State of Fl wants to "kill her"? No, but when faced with sympathy being directed to anyone but her, it was a waterworks show. I don't doubt that her tears were real. THe motive behind them is really the issue. She uses anger, tears, and whatever else she can muster to direct the attention to her.

:Jumpie: Absolutely. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Phumi]

At one point, JA reminded us all that KC is presumed innocent. A little later he went on to speculate about Caylee and what may have happened. As he was speaking the camera panned to KC, where she was obviously struggling with her emotions. When she said “make him stop” she was visibly upset. She cried, and it looked as if she was close to hyperventilating. There are many who may be of the opinion that this was all staged, and she has no feelings, and can bring tears to her eyes at will. That is not my opinion. My opinion is the tears were real, she was upset at hearing what possibly could have happened to her daughter, and while listening to the heart wrenching words being spoken by JA those emotional reactions are normal. It would seem that here in the court of public opinion that any emotion or reaction by KC about anything, can and will be twisted and turned to fit whatever point about KC one would want to prove. For example, if she did not cry, or become upset, then many would be talking about how cold and calculated she is. If she only cried a little, she would be a heartless killer that could barely shed a tear while hearing about her daughter being duct taped. If she had hyperventilated, and went on a long uncontrollable crying jag, she would be admitting her guilt by uncontrollably crying. She is in an impossible situation. I respect the fact that each of us here in the court of public opinion are allowed our own opinions, I respect all the opinions here, I would ask in return that my opinions would be treated with the same respect. As always moo. JA reminded us all that KC is presumed innocent, at one point.

I can understand your point of view. If this had been the only time I had seen KC when her daughter's disappearance/death was being discussed, I would not know what to make of her emotions. Could be a sign of guilt. Could be just a reaction to the horror of the thoughts. But, I can't forget all that I have already seen (and heard) of KC's demeanor.
Her lack of reaction when detectives suggested Caylee was dead and tossed away like garbage on the side of the road in the Universal Interview.
Her utter lack of concern in the first phone call from jail--"all anyone cares about is getting Caylee back." Her annoyance at her parents and her brother when they tried to get information from her in the jail visits. Her lack of interest in the progress of the search for her daughter. Her previous court appearances where she flirted and joked with her attorney as other's spoke of
Caylee's remains, and duct tape and garbage bags.
So today, when I saw KC express emotion, I had to ask myself what was different about this time. She has sat in court without flinching in similar situations. I saw that scary anger on her face before the tears. For me, she just looked like a woman who had been "caught" and finally understood that. For me, she just looked as guilty as a person can look.

 

[reeseeva]

I think that would be a natural reaction to observations people have made throughout the year with KC in court and her behavior after her child was missing. Previously any emotion she has shown was about her. Any time her parents brought up the subject of Caylee on the jail videos KC clearly directed the conversation away from Caylee and back to herself. So when people watch her now they are drawing on what resources they have in their memory which is she is crying because she feels she is being attacked. Very much like a friend you know that becomes dramatic when they feel the attention is no longer focused on them. You have history with this person and know when their reaction is real and when it is fake. JMO My own opinion is she is running out of time and she suddenly realizes it.

BBM :clap::clap:

Great Post LambChop, Spot On !!

 

[amysmom]

The tape had to be pretty tough (if not impossible) for her to remove since it stayed attached for so many months & thru (they say) very unfavorable weather conditions.

The above makes me believe she could have desperately tried (without success) to remove it..IOW..No need for restraints or to knock her out & that is so, so much more evil!

 

[Moe]

We need to compare the deposition of the jail report from one year ago today with how KC acted today. Red face, angry, and heaving, it all sounds very similar. Does anyone know where that report is? Is the behavior the same when confronted with truth?

 

[Kentjbkent]

As much as KC THRIVES on attention....I have to wonder, if her tears (emitted during statements that clearly directed the focus on Caylee ) were a part of her normal MO to redirect focus to her feelings, her plight, and just plain HER. She has a history of creating drama at parties (running into guy she claimed to have slept with and then suffered a miscarriage), with friends via text (can't go to Jax with Amy due to Dad having a mini stroke), etc.... It seems that whenever KC must "face the music" whether it be as trivial as following through on a promise to a friend or admitting fault, wrongdoing, or deception, she uses her emotions to distract from the topic at hand. Did she cry when AL was stating that the State of Fl wants to "kill her"? No, but when faced with sympathy being directed to anyone but her, it was a waterworks show. I don't doubt that her tears were real. THe motive behind them is really the issue. She uses anger, tears, and whatever else she can muster to direct the attention to her.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

YOU NAILED IT!!!

 

[iluvmua]

I think Casey is ONLY crying because she finally realizes her game is OVER.

I think she is beginning to realize that her life is on the line and that she faces the very real possibility of being put to death.

as always, it's about HER :furious:

 

[cecybeans]

I think AL's argument about her family not being able to visit to show support is very weak. For one thing, before ANY of her visits were released to the media, she absolutely refused to see them - that was in late July 2008. And, at one point, IIRC CA also was a no-show and the reporter who asked why was told it was a little "tit for tat". I realize that was when they were trying to get information out of her, but after she was home on bail it was no longer an issue.

In fact, it would have looked a lot better for any defendant to have their family visit. I can only think that either KC refused to see them, as she had done in July, or JB refused to let them after he saw how badly she came across to the public when they saw how self-absorbed and caustic she was to her parents. GA and CA could have easily stuck to little pleasantries and supportive words; I think that everyone involved knew that KC is a loose cannon and cannot be trusted to manage her own perception on film.

AL's argument for that point was not just lame, it was laughable, imo.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I haven't gotten through all the videos yet (hello, Saturday!) but haven't read anything posted either.....

What happened with the JJ motion (protective order)????