2009 - Search Warrants, 25 Sept 2009

[trigger]

Just finished reading the SW. Im sick. Isnt it funny that he went to plant tomatoes, had a BBQ and went home at 9pm watched tv but passed out. I dont believe it. I feel hes lying. He was always up texting until 1am but that night he fell asleep, i mean he passed out. hmmmmmm.

 

[~dragonfly~]

WOW!

how disturbing!!!

him working at some 'camp' is even more disturbing to me! makes me wonder oh so many things


i would hope they've already taken dogs into The Beehive!

 

[eyes4crime]

Is the detail contained in post 1246 on page 63 at the other place about the older sexual assault case all also in the SW? I've not read through it all and am skimming over there while reading here, before going to finish all the actual doc release stuff.

Can someone who's read the whole thing let me know? Over here I've only heard a few details about the earlier incident, whereas that seemed more in-depth, and I wasn't sure if it's just not being discussed as detailed here, or if I missed it entirely, or what. LOL.

All I have to say is, I can't believe all the number of things that came up.

And I just saw and they're now saying he had FOUR different stories he told, not just the "several" we heard earlier!

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html

"According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared."

Yikes! No wonder they had no problem getting an SW!

Sorry, I don't know where to find post #1246. the little girl was a minor and was encouraged to drop the allegations by her mom. According to the warrant, the mom knew mom Golder. Here are some details from the warrant: Dale Golder, the babysitter, was grooming the children by showing movies. (grooming is my word) He asked the child to have sex and the girl said no. He corralled her into a bedroom where he barricaded the door with a large dresser - he took off the child's clothes and tried to rape her for two hours while she was sobbing. charges were never made.

this was several years ago - maybe he was about 14yo or 15?? don't know. What a horrifying experience for a 12 yo child. To bad he wasn't charged and found guilty - I wonder how many children he has abused since then. ???

 

[jnTexas]

Sad thing is if the 12 yr olds mom would've believed her and stood behind her to file charges in 2000 this guy most likely would been a RSO, and never hired at a nursing home or youth camp. Maybe everyone in town would've had their radars up for this guy.

 

[scandi]

forgive a nurse for joining in this convo late! Did anyone notice that on page two of the affadavit they say they are searching for any shoe and tire imprints THAT MATCH THE CRIME SCENE??????

THIS TELLS ME THAT THEY HAVE SHOE AND TIRE PRINTS FROM THE CRIME SCENE!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Nurse, Very interesting, yea. The crime scene. That tells me they know allot more than they are saying.

Remember they searched up by where the RR tracks go close to Summit going north out of town. I wonder if they found anything there? And then I guess the independent dog tracker took his cadaver dog up to that street that begins with a B off Summit and runs east and connects to a logging trail where the dog alerted to a death scent. They also said this death scent could have been from anyone. Who knows if this is really true as I didn't read it in a link and was second hand info from a post written about the time that guy did the dog search. Whatever, I think she is very close by.

Ii still wonder if it is up by the water tower as that area was searched. What they do is remove the evidence from a crime scene like this and it is then given back to the public for regular use. xox IMO

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

forgive a nurse for joining in this convo late! Did anyone notice that on page two of the affadavit they say they are searching for any shoe and tire imprints THAT MATCH THE CRIME SCENE??????

THIS TELLS ME THAT THEY HAVE SHOE AND TIRE PRINTS FROM THE CRIME SCENE!!!!!!!!!!

And... if they have tire imprints,
And... if he was driving the Del Sol,
And if there is a shoe print that stops where a tire print is visible...

Then it shouldn't be all that hard to match.

 

[eyes4crime]

Sad thing is if the 12 yr olds mom would've believed her and stood behind her to file charges in 2000 this guy most likely would been a RSO, and never hired at a nursing home or youth camp. Maybe everyone in town would've had their radars up for this guy.

Not sure it's that she didn't believe her daughter - she was there with her other siblings. was shown. Maybe it's just that mom didn't want her to go through the horrific ordeal of her word against his, especially since she was friends with mom Golder. This happens all the time. Meanwhile, the offender becomes more sophisticated in avoiding detection. And it ends with a tragedy such as this one. If he is guilty that is.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Sorry, I don't know where to find post #1246. the little girl was a minor and was encouraged to drop the allegations by her mom. According to the warrant, the mom knew mom Golder. Here are some details from the warrant: Dale Golder, the babysitter, was grooming the children by showing movies. (grooming is my word) He asked the child to have sex and the girl said no. He corralled her into a bedroom where he barricaded the door with a large dresser - he took off the child's clothes and tried to rape her for two hours while she was sobbing. charges were never made.

this was several years ago - maybe he was about 14yo or 15?? don't know. What a horrifying experience for a 12 yo child. To bad he wasn't charged and found guilty - I wonder how many children he has abused since then. ???

And that Mom... wtf was she thinking???
If he'd been stopped back then....

(if it's him, and this is the closest I've seen to "it's him")

 

[scandi]

That all seems odd to me because it seems like with the varying stories, how do they REALLY know which was really where she was last seen?

Do they have shoe/tire prints from all of the places? Or? And between the time she was taken and the prints were taken, who knows how many others walked/drove there and could have 'contaminated' the scene?

Unless they know something they're not saying, it just seems so hard to know how they could really know WHICH might be the prints at which of the possible spots. And IF they have more info they're not releasing (which, yes, is possible) that narrows down the spot, you'd think that they'd have been able to do something about it earlier because there would almost HAVE to be some very specific other 'evidence' there to truly determine the spot.

If what I'm trying to say makes sense! Ha :blushing:

Hi TravelingBug, I think they know allot they are not saying, especially since they referred to 'the crime scene' in the affidavit of the officer in the SW. They are tightening the rope now and zoning in on where she could be. And since the public now knows who the POI is they might get new tips on where they saw him go that evening, and that might be why they let this info out so soon after the search.

I think it is unprecedented to have a SW with probable cause printed for the public eye just 6 days after the search. There has to be a reason for this. xox IMO

 

[Jules71]

Just finished reading the SW. Im sick. Isnt it funny that he went to plant tomatoes, had a BBQ and went home at 9pm watched tv but passed out. I dont believe it. I feel hes lying. He was always up texting until 1am but that night he fell asleep, i mean he passed out. hmmmmmm.

and is this the same night he was texting/talking to the girl in Ellensburg until 9:26 pm? And then she said they stopped because he had to work?

 

[TravelingBug]

What's so odd to me, is the dynamic between the "family friend" over on the other board who has been speaking out and apparently giving permission to post all the SW stuff before it was publicly released by LE>

Obviously that person is staunchly defending them, and even taking some of the responsibility (based on her variation of why this all went down when it did - which obviously is NOT the cause stated on the SW) for this happening right now.

Yet it's not like that is a new poster, who, if they had just joined would seem to be on an intentional disinformation campaign. While they are "newish" to that site, it was in several months before this all occurred, so...I'm puzzled.

I don't know. I can't even articulate how just WEIRD I keep finding this...it's just getting increasingly convoluted it seems.

 

[nursebeeme]

That all seems odd to me because it seems like with the varying stories, how do they REALLY know which was really where she was last seen?

Do they have shoe/tire prints from all of the places? Or? And between the time she was taken and the prints were taken, who knows how many others walked/drove there and could have 'contaminated' the scene?

Unless they know something they're not saying, it just seems so hard to know how they could really know WHICH might be the prints at which of the possible spots. And IF they have more info they're not releasing (which, yes, is possible) that narrows down the spot, you'd think that they'd have been able to do something about it earlier because there would almost HAVE to be some very specific other 'evidence' there to truly determine the spot.

If what I'm trying to say makes sense! Ha :blushing:

fer sure.. in my mind that, which I bolded, would be possible.. However for it to be compelling what would it take for a judge to sign off on a sw to draw any sort of similar conclusions? Is it just as simple and mundane as a he said she said? Heresay? Or do they need more in a SW?

I tend to think that they need probable cause and beyond to even state this. What say anybody else?

 

[TravelingBug]

Anyone local?

That same source is saying watching King 5 at 11 - that he's no longer a POI or suspect.

It'd be great to know if the media is saying that with a SOURCED LE contact or just saying it...

 

[nursebeeme]

What's so odd to me, is the dynamic between the "family friend" over on the other board who has been speaking out and apparently giving permission to post all the SW stuff before it was publicly released by LE>

Obviously that person is staunchly defending them, and even taking some of the responsibility (based on her variation of why this all went down when it did - which obviously is NOT the cause stated on the SW) for this happening right now.

Yet it's not like that is a new poster, who, if they had just joined would seem to be on an intentional disinformation campaign. While they are "newish" to that site, it was in several months before this all occurred, so...I'm puzzled.

I don't know. I can't even articulate just how WEIRD I keep finding this...it's just getting increasingly convoluted it seems.

bold and large (and whatever other I did to make it longer, larger, etc) are MINE.

 

[nursebeeme]

bold and large (and whatever other I did to make it longer, larger, etc) are MINE.

and here it comes.. boom boom booooooom~! I predict a high recidivism rate LOL

 

[Jules71]

Anyone local?

That same source is saying watching King 5 at 11 - that he's no longer a POI or suspect.

It'd be great to know if the media is saying that with a SOURCED LE contact or just saying it...

I'll be watching.

 

[Jules71]

Crazy stuff going on around here...

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21185278/detail.html
Woman Pushed Out Of Moving Car Near Shelton

 

[TravelingBug]

and here it comes.. boom boom booooooom~! I predict a high recidivism rate LOL

If that other person were new (as in right around the date of Lindsey going missing) it'd obviously scream out for a huge red flag...It's the fact that this person had been around for a few months prior that has me thrown for a loop.

Did they both unintentionally wind up sort of "using" the other?

That dynamic just has me puzzled. Especially since the third party is still adamantly defending the family of the potential POI. So obviously the mother has her totally convinced of the story she has given - whether it's truth or disinformation or some of both.

It makes me dizzy trying to figure it out :banghead:

 

[momtective]

Anyone local?

That same source is saying watching King 5 at 11 - that he's no longer a POI or suspect.

It'd be great to know if the media is saying that with a SOURCED LE contact or just saying it...

No way is this person NO LONGER a POI unless of course he is a prime suspect!
And Nursebeme, I did the same to make it bigger, bigger, bigger on purpose...lol :rolling:

 

[TravelingBug]

Well, it'll be fascinating to see what's said. The source is saying that under sheriff Scott will be saying something to the opposite effect.

This is all bizarre. Prior to the release of the affidavit I might have thought that was possible, but now it just seems unlikely...unless like you said, it's to change the status to something more significant.